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[Edrick1976]

for some strange reason this thread reminds me of a show called farscape.....

[Destroy Raiden_]

Because it would eat everybody in the vicinity! I don't care if you have warp drive it isn't getting you out and no amount of movie magic is going to cover up the fact you should be dead.

[Minty-Fresh]

Maybe if you overload the mass relays it would disable all machines in the galaxy, not destroy like in Arrival but send out a emp pule that would overload them, and you would have to travel to each realy and do it, so each race could go to one relay.

[vkt62]

Minty-Fresh wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Whether it is a black hole, a virus, HALO rings, or Centerpoint Station, there must be more to it than just "gather allies to fight the Reapers." Why? It took dozens, maybe more, of ships to take down Sovereign. That was only one Reaper, and he was also overconfident to boot. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of Reapers out there. Oh, easy, let's do the math: at 50 (I'm feeling generous) cruisers per Reaper, say there are 1000 Reapers, you'd need 50000 cruisers. Easy, right? Wrong.

If the Reapers have anything resembling a sound strategy (I'd be disappointed if they haven't, considering they've been doing the same thing over and over again for milennia) they'll just divide and conquer. Turians will want to defend their worlds, same with every other race in the galaxy. Even if you somehow manage to organise them all in time resembling WWII's SACEUR/SACPAC, you're still going to need an ace up your sleeve. A "divide and conquer" strategy can take a long time and, IF you're supposed to defeat the Reapers in ME3, you'll eventually have to find a way to lure them all (or most of them) into a trap and take them out. Somehow, I don't foresee an all out final fleets battle.

Shepard can do anything she pleases.

While I do agree it seems unlikely, maybe something to do with the mass relays?

Just give Shepard's coordinates to the Reapers. This should help make them send their whole fleet there.

Modifié par vkt62, 19 juin 2011 - 05:41 .

[devSin]

Edington wrote...

for some strange reason this thread reminds me of a show called farscape.....

I don't think the wormhole nonsense was similar to a black hole. Probably closer to a warp field (spacial distortion, instead of simply altering the strength of gravity).

In any case, Singularity isn't a black hole. It's artificial mass (screwing up the relative gravity), but not of sufficient quantity that you're going to break space.

Also, once you make the black hole, you're never getting rid of it. While not a big deal in the space outside the galaxy (well, update the charts so you don't fly into it), it's always a good idea to just not mess with the gravitational balance of the universe at all (and by the time the weapon hits, were such a thing possible, the Reapers could probably simply get clear--remember that FTL is the norm, here, and who knows how such a thing would interact with traditional gravity).

Minty-Fresh wrote...

Maybe if you overload the mass relays it would disable all machines in the galaxy, not destroy like in Arrival but send out a emp pule that would overload them, and you would have to travel to each realy and do it, so each race could go to one relay.

The relays are automated. There's no evidence that any of the resident species has the ability to influence them (nobody can get samples from a relay, and the first one to ever be destroyed was in Arrival, and even that probably shouldn't have worked but for uncreative storytelling).

[Minty-Fresh]

devSin wrote...

Edington wrote...

for some strange reason this thread reminds me of a show called farscape.....

I don't think the wormhole nonsense was similar to a black hole. Probably closer to a warp field (spacial distortion, instead of simply altering the strength of gravity).

In any case, Singularity isn't a black hole. It's artificial mass (screwing up the relative gravity), but not of sufficient quantity that you're going to break space.

Also, once you make the black hole, you're never getting rid of it. While not a big deal in the space outside the galaxy (well, update the charts so you don't fly into it), it's always a good idea to just not mess with the gravitational balance of the universe at all (and by the time the weapon hits, were such a thing possible, the Reapers could probably simply get clear--remember that FTL is the norm, here, and who knows how such a thing would interact with traditional gravity).

Minty-Fresh wrote...

Maybe if you overload the mass relays it would disable all machines in the galaxy, not destroy like in Arrival but send out a emp pule that would overload them, and you would have to travel to each realy and do it, so each race could go to one relay.

The relays are automated. There's no evidence that any of the resident species has the ability to influence them (nobody can get samples from a relay, and the first one to ever be destroyed was in Arrival, and even that probably shouldn't have worked but for uncreative storytelling).

The conduit can be turned on and off, when the Reapers see fit, so why can't the others?

[elearon1]

Edington wrote...

for some strange reason this thread reminds me of a show called farscape.....

Actually, in Farscape it was Wormholes - which are NOT the same thing as black holes.  Space and time compress as one approaches a black hole to the point that one will effectively - that is, to all outside observers - never actually enter the black hole, while those passing through it would be torn apart do to changes in gravitational pull, and as such would not make a useful means of travel.  

As for Black Holes themselves ... yeah, tossing them about at a whim would cause more harm than good.  It would be a decent "Doomsday" weapon scenario, but unless their were NO other options I'd not want to try it.

[Exicuren]

I think that using a black hole weapon should be used only with a renegade shepard, you know that a paragon shep won't do that kind of thing even if he is drugged, so a renegade shep would be more capable of doing by simple logic: "If all the reapers are attacking earth, the simplest of things would be just to throw a black hole to kill them all, we shouldn't worry about human casualties, we have colonies in other oarts of the galaxy"

[Destr1er]

The citadel races don't even have thousands of large warships each, last I remember. The alliance will likely win due to some dues ex machina, like Shep suddenly remembering some Prothean super weapon from his interactions with the Beacons. Even though they didn't mention having any weapons capable of harming the Reapers, or any research into the matter.

[vkt62]

 For all those not familiar with black holes:
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Black_hole

[sympathy4saren]

There is no red matter. It doesn't matter, though.

Our extinction is inevitable. We exist because the Reapers allow it, and we will end because the Reapers demand it. We cannot even grasp the nature of who they are. The are the pinnacle of evolution and existence, and before them, we are nothing. Before them, we are bacteria....they are limitless.

We cannot escape...we are doomed. Saren's way was the only way any of us would have survived.

We are going to be completely eradicated and harvested, our memory in existence terminated, and be another unrecordable statistic in a cycle that will go on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever

Modifié par sympathy4saren, 19 juin 2011 - 06:27 .

[Gatt9]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

If the Normandy can withstand the pull of a supermassive black hole that resides at the galactic core, something like a Reaper would borrow a line from teh Turian councillor, and dismiss the black hole from existance.

It didn't.  It skirted the edges of the pull,  much like a slingshot around a planetary body works.

Considering that a black hole can not only eat suns,  or solar systems,  but it can also warp the fabric of space and the concept of time,  I doubt anything can ignore it.

But as others have said,  you'd have to be a raging idiot to do that.  Not only do you now have a new black hole you've gotta deal with,  but you also have the problem that it's possible that it's gravity field may alter the orbits of stars and their entire solar systems,  and could easily slingshot a red giant directly at Sol,  which there's no solution for that.  At least you can shoot a Reaper,  there's not a whole lot you can do with the sun's big brother suddenly on a collision course other than start evacuating everyone and everything.

[azerSheppard]

Nashiktal wrote...

Minty-Fresh wrote...

It would destroy everything else in its path.

I fully understand your thought process, but the Reapers land on planets, they are not Death Stars wandering through space bombarding planets from dark space. They are in our galaxy

So, if the races of the galaxy create a black hole big enough to consume the Reapers, it would consume our galaxy aswell.

Eh not quite. Pretty much every galaxy has a Supermassive black hole in its core. The problem isn't the size of the blackhole, but the placement. You don't want barely traceable, destructive of horrific magnitudes to go through our galaxy willy nilly of course, but it wouldn't destroy said galaxy. 

Depends on wether WIMPs or MACHOs are what make the center:ph34r:


" but it can also warp the fabric of space and the concept of time,  I doubt anything can ignore it."
Your own mass is warping the space around you, and causing time dialations:wizard:

This simply doesn't work plotwise, we don't know what eezo does when it reaches singularity, we don't even know how much power the reaper ships have, if they active ftl, can they escape the gravity? We don't know, and we can't make a guess because it's as scientificaly correct as the earth being flat.

Modifié par azerSheppard, 19 juin 2011 - 08:58 .

[Yakko77]

Spectre_907 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

How much eezo would it take?

Yeah.

This.

Or, how much Dark Energy would it take to kill a star completely like on Halestrom during Tali's recruitment mission?

Lure the Reaper fleet to a star system with a Mass Relay.  Detonate the star and Mass Relay just after your escape leaving the Reapers behind.  Then you have a one-two punch of both a star and Mass Relay going "super nova".  I imagine even a Reaper would have a hard time surviving that.