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[Raiil]

It's not practise. It's training. In this context, it's not the same thing.


The amount of knowledge Kolyat would have to accurately process and the amount of time he would have to spend training- which would exceed the amount of time Thane spent training- would be considerable. Thane was submitted to what appears to be some sort of national system for the sole purpose of becoming a skilled assassin. No amount of notes that Kolyat will probably have to find elsewhere (because Thane was trying to keep his kid from following his path- why would he leave detailed instructions on how to snap a femur or spinal cord?) will teach him the anatomical knowledge, the weapons proficiencies, and everything else one would need to learn in the amount of time given to become competent.

Soldiers aren't trained to become highly-talented killers, with the exception of special forces groups and sniper teams. They're taught to spray and pray; look at what they're shooting generally and see how accurate they are, bullet for bullet. Kolyat may learn to take life effortlessly. That doesn't mean he'll necessarily get good at it. He'd need formalised training that's probably not all that simple to find, an ample amount of time to study techniques correctly, and enough luck that he's not killed in the process.

Modifié par Valentia X, 17 juin 2011 - 05:05 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

It's not gonna happen. The whole point of Thane's loyalty mission was to make sure Kolyat doesn't end up like that.

[Skirata129]

...soldiers are trained to be highly efficient killers, but most of them aren't very good at that. the more elite the group, the less the number of psychologically inept killers there are. In the marines, grunts average about 1000 bullets per kill and marine recon snipers about 1.2. and it's not that hard for general anatomical and practical knowledge to be conveyed through a non instructional work. Thane could simply be recording a journal where he says, "I had to revise my previous technique for performing a neck snap while eliminating a krogan target today. Krogan physiology made my standard methods impossible and I was forced to apply both body weight and inertia when breaking his spine" or they could just say that Thane had a miniature holo recorder with him on every mission as proof to clients that he was the one who made the kill. or something like kasumi's greybox. other than that, Kolyat could have learned by experience working for captain bailey or dealing with hoodlums during his community service.

Modifié par Skirata129, 17 juin 2011 - 05:19 .

[Massadonious1]

We're fighting Reapers/trained Cerberus operatives that look like walking tanks, not petty criminals.

[Skirata129]

^ that same argument could be used against practically anyone in your squad in Me2

[Raiil]

Soldiers aren't trained to be highly efficient killers. They trained to be able to take life in no particular manner other than pulling a trigger. If they were highly efficient, they wouldn't blow through bullets like candy. Hence spray and pray.

If Thane wanted to ensure his son didn't follow his path, in what way would it make sense for him to record anything about how to kill someone/standard operating procedural during an assassination? He's trying to deter his son from becoming a killer, not give him the cliff notes version on how to become an unstoppable badass. Additionally, it's in bad form to leave behind evidence of your cold blooded shenanigans in the hands of anyone but your employer, and even then it's risky business. You don't get to be the best without learning to cover your tracks.

The amount of training that Kolyat would have to undergo is considerable to begin with; Thane underwent six years of training before making his first kill. Kolyat's will be longer because he's no longer a child and life has set in- there's a reason why, if you want to learn anything, it's better to learn young- your mind is more open and you retain more. He's old enough where retention will be a problem, even with the prodigious drell memory, because that still has to be recalled; it's not reflexive until you do it enough times.


As for this:

that same argument could be used against practically anyone in your squad in Me2

In MEffect 2, you are literally head-hunting the best of the best; Grunt and Legion are the sole exceptions because Grunt takes Okeer's place, and Legion is unique and really can't be replaced, since he's literally the only platform of its kind available. Samara is insanely well-trained warrior with the weight of her years and the justicar training- which has a high mortality rate- as proof of her skill. Jack was conditioned and experimented on to become the ultimate biotic, Garrus has managed to outfox the gangs in Omega and battles them to a standstill alone. Tali is regarded as being one of the best engineers in a race of nothing but engineers. You get the idea. Kolyat doesn't fall into anything remotely along those lines.

[Skirata129]

I'm just saying that relatively speaking, none of those enemies even come close to the reapers. the gangs on omega=petty criminals, samara's enemies=petty criminals, zaeed's bounties=petty criminals, jack=mentally unstable biotic. It wouldn't be that hard for the devs to come up with some way for kolyat to be used. we don't know anything about his backstory so it's entirely possible he has had some weapons or combat training and this assassination would have simply been his first kill.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Why does he need a replacement? You'll have enough members for a full team without him.

And even if he has to have one, I'd prefer it not be a drell than end up with either of the only other two we've seen before. They don't seem appropriate as squadmates for this calibre of enemy. Personally, I'm not really fond of the drell anyway.

[Raiil]

Of course they don't, but you wouldn't bring a super soaker to the battle of the bulge, and you don't bring wannabe assassins to the Reapers. You bring the best that you can get, and because we're Shepard and have +25 charisma, we convince the best that the galaxy has to offer to the fight.

You know what all those people have that Kolyat lacks? Experience. All of them have been in the game for a long time, and all of them have survived. They're beyond experts- they are masters of what they do. Samara fought a spectre so hard that he had to resort to trickery to escape. Jack broke out of what amounted to a torture chamber as a child and mowed down full grown guards to freedom. Zaeed took a close-range shot to the skull, dragged himself out, and went on to become the galaxy's most feared bounty hunter. Garrus took on multiple, battle-hardened killers- not just 'petty criminals' shaking down people for protection money- on numerous occasions and they had to punch him in the face with a rocket to bring him down.


And he still lived.


These people are acknowledged, in game, as being the top of the line, there's not a whole lot you can do to make it better. A master thief, the best assassin, the perfect krogan- all demonstrably proven to be the best. Kolyat freaks if you shoot a little too close to him.

As for his backstory, we actually know most of it- dad was never home, mom gets killed, dad leaves, raised by his aunts and uncles. No, there are no enlightening details. But absolutely nothing says he recieved any sort of instruction to make him your draft pick against our upcoming reaper overlords.

[Skirata129]

I give up. it seems I'm the only one who thought this would be a good idea.

Modifié par Skirata129, 17 juin 2011 - 06:55 .

[Skirata129]

WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA!?
there should at least be the token one person saying, "hell yeah!"