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[Eurhetemec]

Destr1er wrote...

Stargate ran out of steam. Same writers, writing the same stories, only with slightly different villians and heroes.
Large ethnic man who is good at fighting : check.

Smart character who can somehow use, fix and modify technology that is millions of years ahead of ours that has been designed by beings who are millions of years more evolved, who have superhuman intelligence, and are supposed to make us look like chimps : check

Smartass team leader : check
I could go on.

Absolutely true for SG1 and Atlantis, but not so much for SG:U, which had an ensemble cast instead of a small, fixed central cast (and no "large ethnic man" or "smartass team leader" or the like - and a team of scientists who screw up all the time instead of one magical guy), and actually had conflicts between characters and so on. SG:U had plenty of life in it when they decided the ratings were too low and they should broadcast wrestling instead sigh. It was also the last actual science-fiction show on TV. Right now, I don't think there's a single new actual SCIENCE-FICTION show being broadcast or produced. There's a bunch of science-fantasy, ranging from the good to the crap, but no science-fiction that I can think of.

You do accidentally point out one worry for the future of ME, though - what if they just try to re-create in ME1/2/3, like with Shepard 2.0, Tali 2.0, Garrus 2.0 and so on. We already saw how much less interesting Wrex 2.0 was! Hopefully with future MEs, they won't just repeat themselves.

[Oblivious]

The last, great Sci-Fi series produced was Battlestar Galactica imo. But considering that was half a decade ago it makes me think Sci-Fi is dying in favor of the brainless frag kills of Call of Duty =/

It's funny you talk about the 2.0 thing Eurhetemec. I remember when ME originally came out me and my friends would talk about how in many ways it was KOTOR 2.0, even as we played and enjoyed the game.

Brunette with a strong sense of duty - check
Smart, young, blue alien chick - check
Whiny timid military dude who complained about his past - check and VA check
Tough, cool old veteran who wants to reunite his defeated people - check
Small, super fast advanced ship capable of outrunning other bigger ships - check

[Destr1er]

SGU : season 1 : breasts.
They didn't actually start writing a compelling story until they were fighting for their lives to avoid cancellation.
I haven't watched a lot of season 2 yet, but I've read good things. I will be buying the boxed set later.
As for no sci-fi on tv, it's been replaced with 'rasslin and reality tv garbage.
Shows that force people to think are extremely unpopular these days.

As for the so much anger about WAR : yes. Also, I was extremely disapointed, having pre-ordered and payed for a sub only to be given a very broken game.
The bright wizards burning everything down, as well as other broken classes and the various technical bugs combined with a lot of other issues were a huge reason the game was on life support in its first year.
It's insulting how the devs handled everything.
I am a huge fan of Games Workshop, I grew up during the initial 40k and WHFB ,etc heyday. But I could not stand WAR.

If the same Mythic that made WAR is a world class MMO dev, then this is a sad state for games.
LOTRO is a much better game, tho it has basically no PvP. Turbine is a decent mmo dev.
WoW is so simple it's insulting to your intelligence. Massive subscriber base though.
SoE was decent with Star Wars Galaxies until they dumbed it down to compete with WoW.
Eh I'm just cranky still. getting too old for this $#@%

[Destr1er]

Yeah Oblivious, Bioware games recycle some of the same themes and such. That's what makes them so comforting.
It comes from the core group of people being old rpg gamers. You see this happen a lot in pen and paper games and campaigns.

That could also be why there was so much backlash for DA2. We are all too old and cranky to accept change LOL.

[shumworld]

I can see a bunch of side stories on the same lines as what Halo has done for some time until BW decide to make another ME trilogy once the next gen consoles are released.

Modifié par shumworld, 17 juin 2011 - 08:10 .

[Destr1er]

The ME franchise will be wide open once the trilogy is done.
They could continue with the FPS/RPG hybrid.
They could go traditional MMO, or MMO-FPS.
Or RTS where you controll groups of soldiers, ships, etc.
Heck, they could even do adventure games and it would sell because the franchise has a cult following.
Casual games, smartphone/mobile games, the possibilities are almost endless.

[Drimberly]

Easy,
Shepard kills reapers and then its like the darkspawn..there is something else which are the major threat, like the mages. This is why i will jump of a high cliff when ME 4 comes out. Yes that was a joke.

[Oblivious]

Destr1er wrote...
Or RTS where you controll groups of soldiers, ships, etc.

I know this was just an example, but with RTS legends out there like Relic making Dawn of War and Blizzard making Starcraft I doubt too many would be interested in an RTS made by an RPG-centric developer like Bioware. I love RTS games, but for some reason the idea of a Mass Effect RTS does not appeal to me:?

[Destr1er]

I love me some THQ rts games. DOW, DOW2, Company of Heroes, Homeworld series.
I also have a love-hate relationship with Sc2. They screwed up the story, and it seems like the current devs don't even know their own fluff/history. At least thats what I got from an interview with a dev who was talking about Zerg inter-clan dynamics and politics/etc.

It honestly wouldn't be that hard to launch a game in this genre. As long as they took their time.
You also have to look at how much Bioware has expanded, and their shared resources and all the support/etc they can get from EA and the teams under the EA umbrella.

With Bioware writing and storylines, an RTS could be awesome. Or an RTS hybrid.

[Oblivious]

Destr1er wrote...

I love me some THQ rts games. DOW, DOW2, Company of Heroes, Homeworld series.
I also have a love-hate relationship with Sc2. They screwed up the story, and it seems like the current devs don't even know their own fluff/history. At least thats what I got from an interview with a dev who was talking about Zerg inter-clan dynamics and politics/etc.

My wolfpack has grown by one

[jamesp81]

Prepare for a wall of text.

I'd like to see something set in near future after the defeat of the Reapers.  Here's how I'd like to see it:

Takes place 5 to 10 years after ME3.  In ME3, Shepard and company defeated the Reapers with finality.  They're dead, gone, and not coming back.

The Council (no matter which one it was in your playthrough) was mostly or completely dissolved after the Reaper War.  A new Council was formed.

The homeworlds of humanity, the asari, the turians, and the salarians were saved from complete annihilation during the war, however the damage to all was extensive.  The asari, turians, and salarians in particular have had a hard time as they also lost a lot of very large, prosperious colony worlds.  Earth has lost perhaps 1/3 of its population (about 3 billion).  Every race lost a lot of its heavy industries during the war.

The Quarians regained Rannoch and a few colony worlds.  They are rebuilding, but have no military assistance to offer outside defending their own worlds.  The Quarians have also been granted an embassy on the Citadel for their assistance during the Reaper War.  The Migrant Fleet has been dismantled for resources to rebuild their worlds.

The Geth have completed their Dyson Sphere and almost all of them reside there at the moment, happy to be left alone.

By the time of ME4, reconstruction is going on in a big way, but for the near term none of the major races can project military power like they could previously.  The Batarians and the various minor states of the Terminus Systems have stepped into this power vacuum.  The Citadel races are able to do little beyond defend the heart of their own territory.  As a result, various Terminus systems states have occupied large swathes of territory that once belonged to the humans, asari, turians, and salarians.  The Council races are able to defend their homeworlds and  their central, most wealthy surviving colonies.  Outside of this small slice of civilized space, the rest of the galaxy has turned into the Wild West.

During all this turmoil, something happens with the mass relay network.  No one is for sure why it happened or what caused it.  One day, every mass relay in the entire damned galaxy activated.  All of them.  This puts the Council into a panic.  Currently, Council law states that a dormant relay cannot be activated if the location of
the endpoint is not known.  This law is to prevent another Rachni type disaster.  Now, however, there are hundreds, possibly thousands of unexplored, previously dormant relays that are now active.

The Council starts recruiting every explorer and mercenary they can afford, and sends what military forces they can spare to explore the newly opened relays.  The protagonist / player character is a former soldier from the Reaper War that the Council recruits as part of this effort.  You will be able to choose between being a Human (former Alliance Marine), a Turian (former Turian Army soldier), an Asari (former Asari commando in the service of the Armali Council), a Quarian (former Migrant Fleet Marines combat engineer), or a Krogan (an Urdnot Battlemaster who made a name for himself during the Reaper War).

With all the Mass Relays active now, the galaxy just got a lot bigger, a lot more mysterious, and possibly a lot more dangerous.


The tone of this series would be different.  Shepard's trilogy is an epic space opera, with huge stakes.  This one would be more a dry humored, rambunctious romp across the galaxy.  Still plenty of evil antagonists, but we would not be looking at something on the scale of the Reapers again.


I also have no interest in an MMO.  If Bioware wants to make one, that's fine, but I won't play it.  If they make an MMO set just after ME3, and make it story-line neutral, and then use the profits to fund the next ME trilogy as I
detailed above, I'm completely good with that.

I also oppose any change of format.  Stick with TPS/RPG.

Modifié par jamesp81, 17 juin 2011 - 09:21 .

[Destr1er]

That's a totally plausible scenario for a game or series after ME3 is done.
You can even see the dirty Batarians filling a power vacuum, what with them being a former Citadel race. There's tons of fodder for additional games.

I could go into greater detail but my dirty bronze league scrubness needs to go win and lose a few matches of SC2! My refusal to watch replays is severely impacting my strategy and tactics LOL.

[jamesp81]

Destr1er wrote...

That's a totally plausible scenario for a game or series after ME3 is done.
You can even see the dirty Batarians filling a power vacuum, what with them being a former Citadel race. There's tons of fodder for additional games.

I could go into greater detail but my dirty bronze league scrubness needs to go win and lose a few matches of SC2! My refusal to watch replays is severely impacting my strategy and tactics LOL.

What I'd hope is that if something like the idea I posted happens, is that we could recapture some of the charm of ME1 with being able to fly around the galaxy to see what we can see.

I have a love/hate relationship with SC2.  It's fun, but I started out platinum league and steadily degraded from there until I got fed up with it.  Fortunately, I really liked the storyline of SC2, so I can still enjoy the single player campaign.

[Oblivious]

@jamesp81 lol sounded like an MMO for a minute. So what would be the ultimate goal of your new series? Fight against a new threat encountered in the Relays? Prepare a plan to stop the Terminus incursions? Or is it just going from planet to planet like the Mako sections of ME1?

EDIT: I also have a love-hate going on with SC2. I feel while advancing RTS in many fundamental ways they degraded from the more "realistic" approach that games like World in Conflict and Dawn of War 2 have been pushing.

Modifié par Oblivious, 17 juin 2011 - 09:41 .

[Contalion]

@Destr1er

Most Mythic Fans, (as well as everyone else) would agree that WAR was a waste.....Mythic Fans are Mythic fans because of DAoC.....which I myself played for 6+ years.....and umm.....casters were NOT the end all.....neither at RvR or high end PvE......in RvR, stealth groups and straight up CC/melee DPS gank groups were extremely successful, and in PvE Friars, Paladins, etc, were immensely dominant. The only casters that showed any sense of high demand were healers and PBAOErs....and the PBAOErs weren't much use without a good shield tank to keep them alive....actually, most of the nuke/pet casters spent the vast majority of their time unable to find groups, and soloing yellows all day as a result.

[ShadowSplicer]

I highly doubt that it will be an MMO, as why would they do that when they themselves are working on SWTOR? I want the Reaper threat ended in ME3, and I want to see more TPS/RPG games about a new threat, directly continuing from the time of the Reaper's demise, perhaps about the Terminus Systems. It'd be awesome to see all of our Shepard Trilogy choices affect the new games and maybe a cameo for some characters.

[jamesp81]

Oblivious wrote...

@jamesp81 lol sounded like an MMO for a minute. So what would be the ultimate goal of your new series? Fight against a new threat encountered in the Relays? Prepare a plan to stop the Terminus incursions? Or is it just going from planet to planet like the Mako sections of ME1?

EDIT: I also have a love-hate going on with SC2. I feel while advancing RTS in many fundamental ways they degraded from the more "realistic" approach that games like World in Conflict and Dawn of War 2 have been pushing.

I'm thinking it would be a dual threat of a newly discovered antagonist and Terminus aggression.

[STG]

Exiled Eagle wrote...

I'm done with the series after 3. I think Mass Effect will become EA's new cash cow. Best to stop now.

Indeed. I'm done with ME after 3 as well.

[Eurhetemec]

Destr1er wrote...

If the same Mythic that made WAR is a world class MMO dev, then this is a sad state for games.
LOTRO is a much better game, tho it has basically no PvP. Turbine is a decent mmo dev.
WoW is so simple it's insulting to your intelligence. Massive subscriber base though.
SoE was decent with Star Wars Galaxies until they dumbed it down to compete with WoW.
Eh I'm just cranky still. getting too old for this $#@%

I definitely would say the MMO world is in a "sad state", and yeah, Mythic are world class imo.

You say LOTRO is "much better", and I say, if LOTRO had real PvP, you would not say that. No way. Turbine are so bad at balancing PvP, they make Mythic look like saints. They have the sense not to try, I suppose.

Indeed, is anyone better than Mythic at balancing PvP? The only people you could argue are Blizzard. Is that horrible? Yeah maybe. But there it is.

I'm definitely getting too old for MMOs here. Except it's not actually "too old". It's just that I've played too many of them and can see the flaws in all of them. SWTOR doesn't look very promising, tbh. It looks like a WoW clone with ME-style dialogue and morality surgically attached. I'm not sure I'm into that. We'll see though.

[Destr1er]

LOTRO wasn't designed with PvP in mind, it was a purely PvE game with some minor PvP bolted on.
The game is awesome for what it does, and even more so now that it's free to play.
A bit grindy, but you can totally play for free for most, if not the whole game.
It has a mature community, and a decent engine and servers. If you like the Lord of the Rings, it's worth checking out. Huh, that totally sounded like a sales pitch LOL!

I hear ya about MMO fatigue, I'm only a casual these days, mostly on F2P and occasionally a month sub here or there on the AAA games. I'm gonna check out SW:TOR because I don't think Bioware will bork up this game the way they did DA2. Don't have high hopes, but this way I won't be crushed by mega-hype if it isn't a game changer. Plus, I want to see some HK47 goodness.

Now back to ME. I am honestly enthusiastic about this series. It was never a full-on RPG, so it is free to be what it is.
It plays like a summer blockbuster movie. Fast paced, lots of cool explosions and effects, and some decent writing, characters and all that jazz.
If they can add in a bit more RPG it will be perfect. Maybe add in customizable armor, inventory and the like... I'm sure all this has been covered elsewhere. But those minor changes would make the game so much better. At least in my eyes.

You don't even really need a new threat originating on the far side of unknown mass relays.
There will be enough chaos and disorder, intrigue and power struggles following the war with the Reapers.
As I've stated, the doors are wide open, Bioware just needs to pick a direction and the fans will follow.

I've posted this before but I think it got lost, so I'll do a quick summary of how a ME MMO could work.

It would not be directly competing with SW:TOR, because they have different fan bases. Plus, they could create an MMO-FPS/RPG hybrid. There have been a few, but they didn't have a cult following that ME has. Based on the strength of the franchise alone,  it would likely be able to achieve critical mass and sustain itself.

It could be cross-platform, on the next-gen game consoles as well as on PC and MAC.

It could have cosmetic items, and other non-game balance breaking items and other stuff as DLC and in the XBOX store/console stores.

It could be F2P with a cash shop, and sell episodic expansions. It could have a traditional monthly sub.

As long as they took their time and crafted it with care, it would be great.

Plus there are potentially other genres to explore with the franchise. Bioware has already had some success with smartphone/mobile games and facebook/casual social media games.

PS for the SC2 guys, I played 6 matches, won 4! Not bad for a bronze league scrub.

PPS @ Oblivious     SC2 didn't want change their winning formula too much, as they knew the fan backlash would be insane. That's why it still plays like a classic old school RTS. Nothing wrong with that mind you.
I just wish they didn't Retcon a lot of the story.

[Oblivious]

I agree both with the retcon and the backlash. Unfortunately the success SC2 has is good for Blizzard and might temporarily increase the fanbase of RTS games but it seems like in the long run SC2 will push the RTS agenda back to its Dune 2 roots with individually selecting each unit rather than them being in squads, base building being prevalent, and the ever-eternal "A single marine can destroy a battlecruiser!" argument.

Oh and what did you play? 1v1, 2v2, 3v3? Either way, keep it up and you won't be bronze for long =D

Unfortunately I have to disagree on SWTOR and ME having different fan bases. If both MMOs were to use the "Story Pillar" and conversation wheel Bioware keeps marketing, not to mention building your own story, companion characters, and having your own ship, it is inevitable that those two MMOs would be too similar to one another to not share a fan base. The reason I was originally interested in ME was because I loved KOTOR to death and I know other people who were hooked in ME for that reason (Bioware has to look into porting KOTOR for the current consoles... or at least doing a Mac port that isn't terribad =/) and we would definitely be forced to choose either SWTOR or an ME MMO

[Destr1er]

They will be differentiated along the lines of SW:TOR being just more of the same standard issue MMORPG, with the Force and blasters thrown in, along with a healthy dose of Biowares TOR lore, and the same stuff that made KOTOR1+2 so good.

And ME will be more of an action MMO-FPS, and have console crossover appeal potentially.I know some people who love ME and hate Star Wars, and vice versa. So there's that

Also, 1v1 protoss on the bronze ladder. I was doing pretty good until i started getting matched with gold and even a Platinum guy.
Those dudes kicked the crap out of me, wasn't even that fun!
I took down a silver guy, and did alright in my own league, but B.net has some funny notions of fair and balanced matchmaking.

[gunswordfist]

I stand by not being interested in post Mass Effect 3 games. Reapers have been set up as the be all, and for another threat to come along after that would have to be seriously corny. I mean come on what's going to replace the Reapers, moon sized machines with Odinforce?