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[The Twilight God]

Is it possible that the only truly permanent squadmates are Liara, Ashley/Kaidan and Vegas? It's changed since they first announced it to "your favorite squadmates", but originally the alternate appearance pack said it was only for those four. But tha isn't the reason I came to this conclusion.

A certain developer's comments about permanent squadmates not working the same way as they have in previous ME games have given me the impression that, although certain squadmates are permanently available they are only actively in your party when dealing with their species' issues.  For instance, Garrus is with Shepard on the salarian homeworld to secure an alliance between the turians and krogan (i.e. Hierarchy business). If you go to Palaven, he would be available for any mission on that world, its moon or any other location/situation of significance to the turians. Grunt, for example, would only be available on Tuchanka and situations of krogan importance. Regardless, he would be permanently available, just not available everywhere.

Opinions?

Modifié par The Twilight God, 17 juin 2011 - 01:19 .

[Raiil]

That.... actually makes a lot of sense. I guess it would be a middle ground between 'only getting to see certain squaddies on one planet' and fully functional, full-time squaddies.

I'll still be annoyed, but less so. And those of us who didn't romance/aren't sticking with ME1 LI won't be stuck with emails.

[MrFob]

I'd also add Garrus but yeah, I think that is how it it's gonna be.

[Massadonious1]

Well, I'm pretty sure Garrus is permanent if he survives ME2, but I can definetly see it working that way otherwise.

[Minty-Fresh]

Tali is confirmed perm isnt she?

And it does make since from a storytelling perspective, as most of your squadmembers are part of a warring faction that you must bring together.

Wrex,Gunt vs. Everyone
Legion vs. Tali
Cerberus vs. Everyone

etc....

[nitrog100]

That would really really suck. There's no reason to take away you favorite squadmates without you having any say in it. You didn't have to take Liara to Noveria, but they recommended it. Why change that now?

[Minty-Fresh]

The Reapers have arrived, that changes everything.

[NuclearBuddha]

Massadonious1 wrote...
Well, I'm pretty sure Garrus is permanent if he survives ME2, but I can definetly see it working that way otherwise.

This,

Minty-Fresh wrote...
Tali is confirmed perm isnt she?

And this.  But only if they survived ME2.

The AA pack in the CE restricts it to the people who will be in everyone's game, which is a reasonable use of resources.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 17 juin 2011 - 06:30 .

[elearon1]

I'd be surprised if Tali isn't an assumed permanent team mate - considering she has played a major part in each of the previous titles. Other than that, maybe Garrus, but the three you mention seems very likely.

[Warkupo]

Confirmed are Garrus, Tali, Ashley/Kaiden, Liara, and this Vega guy.

[wildannie]

@OP Well it's certainly the case that those 3 are the only ones that are in everyone's squad.
I think only getting to use certain characters at certain times would work for some characters (grunt, legion etc) but less so for others such as LIs.

[Exicuren]

The problem about permanent squadmates is that ashley/kaidan liara and vega don't die in ME2, I think that the rest of the squadmates will be determined by wether they survived or not, so if tali died, maybe legion could take her place or maybe mordin, or if garrus died maybe grunt joins your party instead of him.

[AquamanOS]

Those 3 might just be the only unavoidable party members.

Remember there's apparantly 3 types of party members: Permanent Critical members that you have to pick up. Permanent members that are optional. You seemingly can't get all of these and the ending will reflect which ones you did and didn't get. Garrus and Tali seem more likely for this spot since they could be totally gone. And single mission only party members. (No idea who fills this spot)

We at least know Garrus is a long term member as he's in the squad in both demo areas which are on two different planets.

[The Twilight God]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...
Well, I'm pretty sure Garrus is permanent if he survives ME2, but I can definetly see it working that way otherwise.

This,

Minty-Fresh wrote...
Tali is confirmed perm isnt she?

And this.  But only if they survived ME2.

The AA pack in the CE restricts it to the people who will be in everyone's game, which is a reasonable use of resources.

This is what Christina Norman was commenting about.  Casey Hudson says, "Garrus and Tali are permanent squadmates".  In regard to Casey's comment she says, "Yes, but this is not entirely accurate. Permanent squadmate does not mean the same thing as it does in ME1 and 2".

In my example Garrus and Tail are permanent squadmates seeing as they are always available, just not available everywhere.  I would say that it would be unfair to favor certain LIs over others, but LotSB (and the lack of a VS DLC) demonstrated that Bioware is not above favoritism. So maybe I am wrong. But that would leave me with the same question: How is their being described as "permanent squadmates" not entirely accurate?

AquamanOS wrote...

We at least know Garrus is a long term member as he's in the squad in both demo areas which are on two different planets.

It's just a demo.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 17 juin 2011 - 01:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

I wouldn't like to be forced to drag a pre-set team with me at all. If they recommend a squadmate, that's something else.

[Siven80]

The Twilight God wrote...

Is it possible that the only truly permanent squadmates are Liara, Ashley/Kaidan and Vegas? It's changed since they first announced it to "your favorite squadmates", but originally the alternate appearance pack said it was only for those four. But tha isn't the reason I came to this conclusion.

A certain developer's comments about permanent squadmates not working the same way as they have in previous ME games have given me the impression that, although certain squadmates are permanently available they are only actively in your party when dealing with their species' issues.  For instance, Garrus is with Shepard on the salarian homeworld to secure an alliance between the turians and krogan (i.e. Hierarchy business). If you go to Palaven, he would be available for any mission on that world, its moon or any other location/situation of significance to the turians. Grunt, for example, would only be available on Tuchanka and situations of krogan importance. Regardless, he would be permanently available, just not available everywhere.

Opinions?

It makes sense.

3 of those 4 are guarenteed to be alive in everyones playthroughs as the other characters may or maynot have died in ME1 or ME2. That could well mean the other could be temp squadmates, even Garrus and Tali.

[jamesp81]

It's Vega, not Vegas.

[Lumikki]

If squad member is only available with you in sertain places or quest time, that's not called permament, it's called temporary squad member.

As far I have understanded ME3 have both. Meaning only few squad members are permament and rest of them, if they are alive, are temporary squad members, based places and story.

As for who are confirmed permament squad members so far.

From ME1: Asley / Kaidan (Player choise, other is dead)
From ME1: Liara (Is alive)
From ME1/ME2: Tali (Can be also dead)
From ME1/ME2: Garrus (Can also be dead)
From ME3: James (Is alive)

Of cause point of this is how come there is not even single ME2 only squad members as permament. It cant' be the dead issue, as Garrus and Tali can also be dead, but they both are from ME1 orginally. I mean it seem like ME2 doesn't matter at all in relation of ME3 permament squad members. It's like all ME1 squad members become permament and all ME2 squad members temporary. It doens't put those games in same line, does it, consider that ME2 was conserating more in squad members than ME1 ever was.

Ps: The other forum area would have been better for this topic.

Modifié par Lumikki, 17 juin 2011 - 02:25 .

[noisecode]

I have to say the prospect of not being able to use Tali and Garrus in ME3 after having used them across 1 and 2 is slightly disappointing but meh...... That sort of thing must be a nightmare to code. Weather or not a character is dead must impact the story in unpredictable ways.

[eye basher]

At least i can use vega and skip ashley.

[Knight of Dane]

I don't think there will be replacements more like: If your squaddies were killed in ME:2 then your team will be smaller.
Another reason to be good to 'em :3

[The Twilight God]

Lumikki wrote...

If squad member is only available with you in sertain places or quest time, that's not called permament, it's called temporary squad member.

Semantics.

Temporary, in this context, could mean you play with them for awhile and then they are done or at least not playable in the vast majority of the game.  In otherwords, Wrex is temporary. He is with you for a single mission (and maybe the final battle). Grunts is permanent. He is an option to fight with you whenever something comes up on Tuchanka or is otherwise krogan related. Kaidan/Ashley aren't temp squadmates in ME1 simply because at a certain place and time they weren't available and/or ceased to be available. This would be the same situation on a larger scale.

I kind of understood that certain characters would play a support role in the same vein as the suicide mission (Mordin in that control room, Legion piloting a vehicle, Wrex over the radio feeding Shepard intel, etc.). And that some of these same characters would be temporary playable squadmates as well in situations involving their species. Before Mrs Norman's comment I assumed this was not appilcable to Garrus and Tali.

But Christina Norman's comments were in regard to Casey Hudson saying Garrus and Tali are permanent squadmates. She followed up by saying that "isn't entirely accurate". The subject matter at hand is not whether or not they are permanent squadmates. We all agree that Garrus and Tali were confirmed as permanent squadmates. What is of concern is what "permanent" means in ME3.

[mineralica]

My attempt to understand - or maybe expand - how the theory suggested by OP may work.

So we have at least 3 types of squaddies:
1) true permanent. Have a dialogues/banters for all missions. Sit on the Normandy where Shepard may talk to them any times he wants, may be chosen for any mission
2) limited permanent. Either sit on the Normandy coordinating important tasks for their races/groups or sit on homeworld and available through holo-interface. Shepard may talk to them any time he wants, but only most important tasks - such as missions on their homeworld or directly interfering with their races/groups interests - may force them to go on the mission
3) temporary. Left to help their people, but Shepard meets them on specific missions. Unavailable to talk with except on their missions, unavailable to take on unrelated missions.

So when it comes to specific mission, Shepard may choose party from interested from 2nd group (how many of squaddies has common problems with homewords? No more than 2 simultaneously, I think) plus true permanents. Also there may be met squaddie from "temporary" group (I assume no more than 1 at a time). If someone died, the choice reduces ending with choice from 3 (Liara, VS, Vega).

So the results:
1) all "loved" (yes, yes, LIs) character have enough talks with Shepard on Normandy
2) number of possible dialogues/cutscenes on missions reduces (options not for all 18 squaddies but only for 4-6 available)
3) not that noticeable clash between characters with almost identical powers - they may not be available simultaneously. This limits the choice, though.

[Guitar-Hero]

True but keep in mind that Casey Hudson said squads aren't going to work like they did in ME1 and ME2.