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[Made Nightwing]

I think an excellent solution would be a gay/lesbian toggle. It's quite simple. Those who want to play a 100% straight Shepard can hit this toggle before they start the game and any 'romance' dialogue with S/S romances won't ever appear in the game, but are instead replaced by more bro/chick dialogue that increases squad bonding in a hetero fashion. Then, when you DO want to play the S/S version, you just de-activate it and the dialogue re-appears.

Win/Win for everyone.

[MACharlie1]

Made Nightwing wrote...

I think an excellent solution would be a gay/lesbian toggle. It's quite simple. Those who want to play a 100% straight Shepard can hit this toggle before they start the game and any 'romance' dialogue with S/S romances won't ever appear in the game, but are instead replaced by more bro/chick dialogue that increases squad bonding in a hetero fashion. Then, when you DO want to play the S/S version, you just de-activate it and the dialogue re-appears.

Win/Win for everyone.

Oy....

Please try to understand the implications that would come from this sort of toggle. Think about it: it's a "I don't like THESE types of people and I don't want them in my game toggle." 

[goofyomnivore]

Ashley's is easy to avoid. When she comments about Wrex and Garrus on the Normandy, just pick the "You're out of line" option. Shepard is surprisingly not a jerk, and Ashley later says you're right.

Leliana had the worst s/s ninjamance. You give her a compliment she wants to bed you. She was like, "your hairs nice" my city elf was like "omg yours too". A few conversations later she is talking about how we're getting serious, and I'm like, "dammit, I didn't even talk about your fruit either".

[ElitePinecone]

Made Nightwing wrote...

I think an excellent solution would be a gay/lesbian toggle. It's quite simple. Those who want to play a 100% straight Shepard can hit this toggle before they start the game and any 'romance' dialogue with S/S romances won't ever appear in the game, but are instead replaced by more bro/chick dialogue that increases squad bonding in a hetero fashion. Then, when you DO want to play the S/S version, you just de-activate it and the dialogue re-appears.

Win/Win for everyone.

I wasn't aware there was a hetero fashion for squad bonding? Or something called 'bro/chick dialogue'? 

With respect, this is (in my view) a bad idea. 

It imposes a filter on content solely because some people find two or three lines of optional dialogue uncomfortable. I find torture, genocide and cruelty discomforting. That doesn't mean I want to remove the option for it. I just don't pick it. When people buy action games, there's an expectation that such options will be available - but that doesn't mean I have to be renegade.

Equally, when people buy Bioware games, there's an expectation that squad dialogue will be available. Some of it might be romantic. Some of it might be with characters of the same gender. That doesn't mean it has to be selected, or even viewed. 

I fail to see how two or three optional lines of dialogue in a 40 hour game could possibly make you uncomfortable enough to want an unnecessary filter. 

Even apart from being unnecessary (unless people really are obsessive about having their game as ZOMG 100% STRAIGHT), creating a filter for same-sex content is something that Bioware just wouldn't do.

It's a PR nightmare. Probably an undeserving one, but one nonetheless. Some sections of the media would go crazy. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

People simply don't want the way they perceive of the universe and the characters in it to be broken, certainly not for the illusion shattering reason of including same sex romances. I've got absolutely nothing against it, don't get me wrong, but I'm not looking forward to having established characters I've known for years suddenly wanting to "get together" with my Shepard.

Now, if those romances were to be reactive instead of active (from the LI's perspective, so that Shepard would initiate the S/S romance), there suddenly would be a lot less cases of verisimilitude being railroaded into breaking. Add a clear romance indicator for all romances on the dialogue wheel, like DA2 had, such as pink text or another heart in the middle of the wheel, et voila: no more awkward advances.

[SilentK]

Hmmm... I just want an intent-symbol or something so I know when I initiate a romance and when I am about to end it. That is one thing that I really really liked in DA2. How ME3 want to design it is up to them but just something to clairfy it woud be great. I get it when my FemShep has the opportunity to flirt with Thane and Garrus, and Jacob because I have romanced him with one Shep =) but I am always a little vary of Kelly. I want her as my friend on the Normandy and nothing more. I can sometimes be a little rude to her just to be sure that I don't start anything. Which is sad because I really like her. Just make sure that we know when we are flirting and everything should be fine =)

[SilentNukee]

Kaidan: "Yeah, sure. I'll be your bro... As soon as you learn to spell my name right."

[Captain Crash]

I wouldn't worry.


Kaiden is a good kid. Loyal and by the book.     He will follow your lead.

Modifié par Captain Crash, 17 juin 2011 - 11:14 .

[jlb524]

Don't flirt.

Though I approve of squad bonding in the hetero fashion.

Modifié par jlb524, 17 juin 2011 - 11:17 .

[CroGamer002]

Who is Kaiden?

[ElitePinecone]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

People simply don't want the way they perceive of the universe and the characters in it to be broken, certainly not for the illusion shattering reason of including same sex romances. I've got absolutely nothing against it, don't get me wrong, but I'm not looking forward to having established characters I've known for years suddenly wanting to "get together" with my Shepard.

Now, if those romances were to be reactive instead of active (from the LI's perspective, so that Shepard would initiate the S/S romance), there suddenly would be a lot less cases of verisimilitude being railroaded into breaking. Add a clear romance indicator for all romances on the dialogue wheel, like DA2 had, such as pink text or another heart in the middle of the wheel, et voila: no more awkward advances.

^ I'd say that's confirmation of reactive rather than active - although it's too early to tell. 

I'm not sure about the dialogue wheel, but it seemed to work well in DA2. Certainly, there were fewer complaints about 'ninja romancing'. 

[SennenScale]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
*snip for brevity* Add a clear romance indicator for all romances on the dialogue wheel, like DA2 had, such as pink text or another heart in the middle of the wheel, et voila: no more awkward advances.

Well, that I can get behind, so long as will apply to all romances.

Given how the romanceable males in ME2 had to be approached by the PC, I'm not worried about them at all. But Shep almost needed a taser for the girls.

[lovgreno]

I think Kaidan will just be my bro as long as I don't flirt with him. It shouldn't be too hard to do for the writers.

[Tup3x]

I sure hope so. Same goes to Ashley.

[Made Nightwing]

Actually, it would just prevent bigots from whining about homosexual characters in game. If they don't like it, they can flip a switch and they suddenly have nothing to complain about, vastly reducing the number of people whining to Fox News about how terrible video games are.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some ignorant scumbag Westboro Baptist Church supporter. A person's choice is a person's choice, nothing else to it.

But I'm as straight as they come, and it'd just bust up the role-playing experience for me if I had to carefully examine each dialogue option in turn to make sure I'm not accidentally propositioning Kaidan or Vega when I just want to ask if they've got someone special waiting for them at home.

[Wulfram]

Femshep can be "bros" with Garrus, so why not?

[SennenScale]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Actually, it would just prevent bigots from whining about homosexual characters in game. If they don't like it, they can flip a switch and they suddenly have nothing to complain about, vastly reducing the number of people whining to Fox News about how terrible video games are.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some ignorant scumbag Westboro Baptist Church supporter. A person's choice is a person's choice, nothing else to it.

But I'm as straight as they come, and it'd just bust up the role-playing experience for me if I had to carefully examine each dialogue option in turn to make sure I'm not accidentally propositioning Kaidan or Vega when I just want to ask if they've got someone special waiting for them at home.

Well, let me ask: if the words "I want you" showed up on the dialogue wheel, would that be clear enough? That's Thane's romance, and he was literally designed to be a LI, so Bioware was pretty careful there.

Garrus told a story about sparring and sex with a female turian to work off some stress, then the words "Let's work off stress together" come up. He asks if you mean sparring, and you have the choice to say "No, that's not what I meant". Would that be sufficiently clear?

[Cutlass Jack]

I wouldn't worry. Kaidan will probably just go find a new monitor on the Normandy to stand in front of and wipe sweat off his brow whenever you come by. (I'm still convinced he was watching porn)

[Kaiser Shepard]

ElitePinecone wrote...

*picture*

^ I'd say that's confirmation of reactive rather than active - although it's too early to tell. 

I'm not sure about the dialogue wheel, but it seemed to work well in DA2. Certainly, there were fewer complaints about 'ninja romancing'. 

Ah, nice. Looks like all my wishes came true.

SennenScale wrote...

Given how the romanceable males in ME2 had to be approached by the PC, I'm not worried about them at all. But Shep almost needed a taser for the girls.

I still managed to get caught off-guard by Jack, though. Result being that I had to "**** off" for an entire playthrough...

[Collider]

Fixing Bioware's problem with lead male henchman
In this blog entry I label some of the problems they had making Kaidan appeal to male players or those players who did not romance him.

The bottom line is that people want friendship paths and interesting & evolving interaction with love interests even if they are not romancing them. I felt that the interactions with Kaidan were shaped too much for romance. Shepards who romance him will have get a nice bit of content, but those who don't can very well feel that there is a lot left to be desired. This problem is not exclusive to Kaidan, by the way, he is not really an anomaly.

[tagoloan boy]

A toggle for s/s filter i think would be the best option. A lot of straight players would rather avoid any and all awkward situations that would lead to male ****** interactions. The choice is yours if you want it in or not, and its much more convenient to just have an option to block it out. I really don't see all the hate on that option except to avoid hurting the feelings of a segment of the fan base.

[Skirata129]

yeah bioware does have a problem with it. with tali, I picked it's too dangerous which is supposed to mean, "let's be friends" and instead shepard goes ahead and tells her he's interested.

[Dariuszp]

IsaacShep wrote...

Casey confirmed s/s romances are reactive to how you interact with the characters.

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/69833443067969536

Happy to confirm #ME3 supports wider options for love interests incl. same-sex for m&f chars, reactive to how you interact w/them in-game.

So unless you tell Kaidan how much you appreciate his muscular chest, he won't confess anything to you since he thinks you're straight (it's part of ME1 story already).

That's one, two. Even if he confessed anything to you, couldn't you just turn him down and stick to 'bros only' zone? I turned down Ashely but that didn't stop my Shep from being friends with her.

Third, it's KaidAn. Not KaidEn. "Bros" should know such things/

So you are saying that in this game (like in DAII) everyone are ****** again ? They just dont want to talk about it ? God dam it Bioware. First you make games easier. Next you make them shorter (300h BG2 vs 30h DA II - COME ON!). Next you give all that "regenerate health" stuff because every character can take a dragon, kill it and walk like it was nothing. After that you give us small (in size and count) locations with static world. Then you take good games and turn them to **** (DAO > DA II). Then you make every game character ******.

Next BW game:
~ all NPC, companions and main character are hidden ******
~ there are 4 locations
~ things blow up when you touch them
~ all dialogues are used by mouse. Not by moving it (that would be too much) - left click - GOOD, right click - EVIL
~ there will be no text in your answers, dialogues will look like this:

NPC
- Hi Hawk, do you kill that 10 spiders and have their poo ?
HAWK:
:innocent:
(3rd options possible when you got 3rd mouse button)

~ there will be two posible chocies
    1. say YES and you will do the quest
    2. say NO and you are forced to do the quest


Yeah right. Like I will be waiting for this Sorry BW but you are getting worst year after year.

PS: Oh sorry. You already did most of this things. It's called DA II.

Modifié par Dariuszp, 17 juin 2011 - 12:16 .

[Chiramu]

Well from this it seems Kaidan is the more popular VS .

I would only mind seeing the bisexual relationships if they were written terribly. If it's written well and works with the original personality (unlike the debacle of Dragon Age 2 , Anders) then a gay or lesbian relationship is awesome.

Hell I wouldn't mind having a female Shepard have a lesbian relationship with Miranda. That would be awesome! From a girl, Miranda is hot.

[Rinji the Bearded]

If we have to be just bros, then okay.

But I can always dream.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 17 juin 2011 - 01:17 .