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[Pups_of_war_76]

There's already enough latent sexual tension in MShep's interactions with Kaidan and Jacob that it wouldn't even seem inconsistent.

Why do people insist on presenting problems when there aren't any?

Modifié par Pups_of_war_76, 17 juin 2011 - 07:12 .

[ReallyRue]

You can be bros with Kaiden.

Meanwhile my Shep is going to jump on Kaidan.

You see what I did there?

[Rune-Chan]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

There's already enough latent sexual tension in MShep's interactions with Kaidan and Jacob that it wouldn't even seem inconsistent.

Why do people insist on presenting problems when there aren't any?

I am glad I am not the only one who saw this,  I always thought my Shep had some feelings of his own in ME1 whenever I tried chatting to Kaidan...

[shepskisaac]

Machines Are Us wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

There's already enough latent sexual tension in MShep's interactions with Kaidan and Jacob that it wouldn't even seem inconsistent.

Why do people insist on presenting problems when there aren't any?

I am glad I am not the only one who saw this,  I always thought my Shep had some feelings of his own in ME1 whenever I tried chatting to Kaidan...

Are you suggesting the scene where Kaidan wipes the sweat of his brow every time ManShep appears form the shadows walking towards him looked like a shot from cheap gay erotica with bad lighting? Or "Losing you felt like losing a limb...! WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME?!?!" on Horizon

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 juin 2011 - 07:49 .

[tagoloan boy]

K i was apathetic really bout the situation with s/s romances but... Machines Are Us i was trying to agree and support and alternative to this discussion and one that another poster suggested. There is no need to try to suggest some insecurities on my part. Your just upset that i don't share your interest in s/s content, or for that matter having it as high of a priority. I have a different opinion than you, deal with it. At least im civil with my content which can't be said of you. So f*** off you little maggot. For everyone else, your gona get the s/s content that you have been asking for. Just give those of us who don't want it an easy way of avoiding it, yes i understand there will probably be a branch option to avoid it. By i really don't want to have to tip toe around every dialogue choice. Again its just a suggestion for an option that not everyone has to use. Would a simple toggle or check mark in an item menu really upset that many people? Im not even saying to get rid of the sexuality of the character, seeing as to the speculation of James Vega, but just to make it easier for myself and other like minded individuals a stream lined method to avoid this. Thnx

[AngelicMachinery]

tagoloan boy wrote...

 Would a simple toggle or check mark in an item menu really upset that many people? Im not even saying to get rid of the sexuality of the character, seeing as to the speculation of James Vega, but just to make it easier for myself and other like minded individuals a stream lined method to avoid this. Thnx

Do you think a toggle should be integrated for any other minority?  Seriously...  can you imagine the political ****storm that would occur if they decided to include a black toggle?

[Rinji the Bearded]

IsaacShep wrote...

Are you suggesting the scene where Kaidan wipes the sweat of his brow every time ManShep appears form the shadows walking towards him looked like a shot from cheap gay erotica with bad lighting? Or "Losing you felt like losing a limb...! WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME?!?!" on Horizon

So I wasn't the only one who caught that?

Seriously, everytime I walked up to Kaidan, it was like this music was going on in the background.

[PlumPaul93]

Well luckily he's KIA in my game, so that means that there won't be another Anders moment (unless another character does it ).

[Rinji the Bearded]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Well luckily he's KIA in my game, so that means that there won't be another Anders moment (unless another character does it ).

Most people that are concerned with Kaidan's romance kept him alive, so yes, you need not worry.

Vega on the other hand...

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 17 juin 2011 - 10:42 .

[Arijharn]

"Losing you was like losing a limb" honestly made me go o.0. Personally I thought it was a really strange thing to say to your superior officer or even your friend.

But in ME3, Kaidan can probably just order you to his bed... he is your superior officer now... Rules of fraternization might be the first thing that goes out the window when facing an extinction level event

[Cutlass Jack]

RinjiRenee wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Are you suggesting the scene where Kaidan wipes the sweat of his brow every time ManShep appears form the shadows walking towards him looked like a shot from cheap gay erotica with bad lighting? Or "Losing you felt like losing a limb...! WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME?!?!" on Horizon

So I wasn't the only one who caught that?

Seriously, everytime I walked up to Kaidan, it was like this music was going on in the background.

I still maintain I kept interrupting him downloading porn. I'm sure the fact he continually stood outside my bedroom door doing so was just coincidence.

[The Spamming Troll]

OMG, guys!

i just realized kaidens definitely gonna be gay in ME3. i pray to god im not seeing kaiden act in a way liara did in ME1 with shepard.

[General User]

My thoughts on purely “reactive” romances: it’s a mistake, for much the same reason that altering the sexual orientation of established characters is a mistake, it weakens the characters.

One of the things I really liked about the characters in ME1 and ME2 was that they either reacted or pursued romantic situations in different ways. Ash and Jacob subtly (or sometimes not so subtly) hint at their individual attractions to Shep. and FemShep respectively. Tali has an awkward, somewhat indirect way of confessing her attraction for Shepard, while Jack just comes right out and asks “hey Shep, you got feelings for me”, etc. for Miranda, etc. for Thane. Giving each of the characters in ME1 and ME2 their own “romantic identities” was critical to what made them so real to me, critical to why I’m as big a fan as I am.

Purely reactive romances would mean that any given character who is romanceable by both sexes essentially lacks a sexual identity, that they lack a core aspect of their personality. In my opinion, any character so deficient ceases to BE a character and becomes a prop. 

Of course that’s not to say we can’t have bi or gay characters. Just that their sexuality has to be an established part of who they are. Isabela and Zevran and Leliana are perfect examples of how to do bisexual characters right, Anders (in DAII) is a perfect example of how to do it wrong. Fenris and Liara are perfect examples of squandered opportunities for strictly homosexual characters.

Modifié par General User, 18 juin 2011 - 12:37 .

[AngelicMachinery]

General User wrote...

My thoughts on purely “reactive” romances: it’s a mistake, for much the same reason that altering the sexual

Of course that’s not to say we can’t have bi or gay characters. Just that their sexuality has to be an established part of who they are. Isabela and Zevran and Leliana are perfect examples of how to do bisexual characters right,.

"Yea, there is no Homosexuals done right", and if you talk to fans they tend to think that these three characters are weak when it comes to sexuality...  I don't get Leliana...  but,  that's the way it is.


Too be more specific,  there is no particular traits that are neccesary for a homosexual characters.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 18 juin 2011 - 12:40 .

[General User]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

General User wrote...

My thoughts on purely “reactive” romances: it’s a mistake, for much the same reason that altering the sexual

Of course that’s not to say we can’t have bi or gay characters. Just that their sexuality has to be an established part of who they are. Isabela and Zevran and Leliana are perfect examples of how to do bisexual characters right,.

Yea, there is no Homosexuals done right, and if you talk to fans they tend to think that these three characters are weak when it comes to sexuality...  I don't get Leliana...  but,  that's the way it is.

Too be more specific,  there is no particular traits that are neccesary for a homosexual characters.

Oh, but there are!  Namely an attraction to members of the same sex as oppossed to members of the opposite sex or members of both sexes.  

Attraction and sexual attention color all our interactions, even ones that aren't particulary romantic in nature.  Check out differences between the male and female Shep. versions of the the scene in ME2 where Garrus and Shepard talk in the Normandy's briefing room for the first time, that's a perfect example of what I mean.  Take out that color and the world is the poorer for it.

And I must say I disagree with those fans.  I knew within 10 seconds of meeting them that I., Z., and L. swung both ways (well... maybe 20 seconds for Leliana ).  But them being upfront about their sexuality is only part of the story. In all three of those cases their sexual identity (in this case bisexual) was integral to their personality. I. and Z. were dashing rogues, as adventurous in bed as they are on the battlefield! And L. spent most of her adult life as a courtesan/spy in a decadent society, it would seem bizarre to me if she DIDN’T have a, *ahem*… broad range of experience.

If Bioware will include S/S romances in ME3. I just want them to do it right.  If they do they can make the gameplay/story experience better for everyone, because a world where NO ONE is strictly homosexual is almost as unbelievable as a world where EVERYONE is bisexual (or "Shepardsexual" as the case may be). 

Modifié par General User, 18 juin 2011 - 01:05 .

[AngelicMachinery]

General User wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

General User wrote...

My thoughts on purely “reactive” romances: it’s a mistake, for much the same reason that altering the sexual

Of course that’s not to say we can’t have bi or gay characters. Just that their sexuality has to be an established part of who they are. Isabela and Zevran and Leliana are perfect examples of how to do bisexual characters right,.

Yea, there is no Homosexuals done right, and if you talk to fans they tend to think that these three characters are weak when it comes to sexuality...  I don't get Leliana...  but,  that's the way it is.

Too be more specific,  there is no particular traits that are neccesary for a homosexual characters.

Oh, but there are!  Namely an attraction to members of the same sex.  

Attraction and sexual attention color all our interactions, even ones that aren't particulary romantic in nature.  Check out differences between the male and female Shep. versions of the the scene in ME2 where Garrus and Shepard talk in the Normandy's briefing room for the first time, that's a perfect example of what I mean.  Take out that color and the world is the poorer for it.

I must say I disagree with those fans.  I knew within 10 seconds of meeting them that I., Z., and L. swung both ways (well... maybe 20 seconds for Leliana ). 

But them being upfront about their sexuality is only part of the story. In all three of those cases their sexual identity (in this case bisexual) was integral to their personality. I. and Z. were dashing rogues, as adventurous in bed as they are on the battlefield! And L. spent most of her adult life as a courtesan/spy in a decadent society, it would seem bizarre to me if she DIDN’T have a, *ahem*… broad range of experience.

If Bioware will include S/S romances in ME3. I just want them to do it right.  If they do they can make the gameplay/story experience better for everyone, because a world where NO ONE is strictly homosexual is almost as unbelievable as a world where EVERYONE is bisexual (or "Shepardsexual" as the case may be). 

Generally speaking there is nothing about Leli’s and Zev’s personality that demands them to be bisexual.  Mostly because there are no personality types that demand a certain person is in fact well… anything but straight. 

I find that there sexuality has nothing to do with their adventurousness as you will find people on either side of the sexuality divide that are likely to indulge in such play.  It isn’t necessary for a bisexual to be decadent and not everyone who is decadent is bisexual.

But tell me what is right?  You have to realize as people homosexual and bisexual people don’t have an ideal romance outside of a caring relationship between two consenting human beings.  As for the no one being strictly homosexual…  I can agree with this,  but, it’s not going to happen as such,  this argument falls flat for characters being strictly heterosexual to me.

[Spatchmo]

It doesn't HAVE to be believable, it's a fantasy. There are plenty of games where ladies are fawning all over the hero of the game, why can't there be games where people of both genders fawn all over the hero?

[tagoloan boy]

AngelicMachinery well at least you gave a respectful reply than that Machine-****** person. You are right that there may be a sh*t storm about it. But i don't think any more of a sh*t storm when they had the sex scenes from the first one. Im not too upset about the whole minority thing cus i am one, and a large majority of people like me would like that option. I guess im trying to say that i understand your concern, but its not as big as of a priority with me. Like i said its just an option. But hey, i also think that you have every right to oppose that option if you disagree with it. I just happen to not agree with you or people who may back your view on that matter. For a lot of people views of sexuality take lesser importance than that of ethnicity. But again, thnx for the polite reply :-)

[AngelicMachinery]

tagoloan boy wrote...

AngelicMachinery well at least you gave a respectful reply than that Machine-****** person. You are right that there may be a sh*t storm about it. But i don't think any more of a sh*t storm when they had the sex scenes from the first one. Im not too upset about the whole minority thing cus i am one, and a large majority of people like me would like that option. I guess im trying to say that i understand your concern, but its not as big as of a priority with me. Like i said its just an option. But hey, i also think that you have every right to oppose that option if you disagree with it. I just happen to not agree with you or people who may back your view on that matter. For a lot of people views of sexuality take lesser importance than that of ethnicity. But again, thnx for the polite reply :-)

I don't oppose the option I embrace it,  but,  I know that from a financial perspective it isn't going to be happening.  Even Gaidar who is a rather strong supporter of non hetero romances has said it was a long way off...  as such I can only assume that it is typical of bioware/ea to not want to embrace the HEAVY RISK.

[General User]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
Generally speaking there is nothing about Leli’s and Zev’s personality that demands them to be bisexual.  Mostly because there are no personality types that demand a certain person is in fact well… anything but straight. 

I find that there sexuality has nothing to do with their adventurousness as you will find people on either side of the sexuality divide that are likely to indulge in such play.  It isn’t necessary for a bisexual to be decadent and not everyone who is decadent is bisexual.

It’s not a matter of certain sexual orientations demanding certain personality traits or vice versa, not at all! The issue is one of enhancing. Not of any aspect of their respective personalities, but of them as people (or as characters rather) as a whole, of making them more real.  People who are adventurous or decadent, or any of 1001 other personality traits can indeed be of any sexual orientation. But Isabela can only be adventurous and bisexual because Isabela is an adventurous bisexual, that’s who Isabela is.

 In other words, it’s all about the characters, they are either made more real by having their own personalities (sexual identity included), or they are made less real by have core aspects of who they are dependent on a dialogue choice.

AngelicMachinery wrote...
But tell me what is right?  You have to realize as people homosexual and bisexual people don’t have an ideal romance outside of a caring relationship between two consenting human beings.  As for the no one being strictly homosexual…  I can agree with this,  but, it’s not going to happen as such,  this argument falls flat for characters being strictly heterosexual to me.

I don’t quite follow.  Would you mind rephrasing or elaborating?

Modifié par General User, 18 juin 2011 - 02:01 .

[Made Nightwing]

Maybe an S/S toggle would be a bad idea. Make it a more in game choice instead. In Shepard's profile, have a section that states 'Sexual Orientation' with three options 'Men', 'Women' 'Both'. That way no one gets offended, everyone gets a choice. S/S shippers then don't have to accidentally restart the game because Kaidan/Vega thinks your straight because you're being friendly to Ash/Tali, or the opposite way around if you're playing as FemShep.

[shepskisaac]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Maybe an S/S toggle would be a bad idea. Make it a more in game choice instead. In Shepard's profile, have a section that states 'Sexual Orientation' with three options 'Men', 'Women' 'Both'. That way no one gets offended, everyone gets a choice. S/S shippers then don't have to accidentally restart the game because Kaidan/Vega thinks your straight because you're being friendly to Ash/Tali, or the opposite way around if you're playing as FemShep.

Not sure I understand, isn't it exactly that? A meta-gaming toggle?

[AngelicMachinery]

General User wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
But tell me what is right?  You have to realize as people homosexual and bisexual people don’t have an ideal romance outside of a caring relationship between two consenting human beings.  As for the no one being strictly homosexual…  I can agree with this,  but, it’s not going to happen as such,  this argument falls flat for characters being strictly heterosexual to me.

I don’t quite follow.  Would you mind rephrasing or elaborating?

Sorry, getting a tad pasionate.  From what I can tell you're asking for a relationship that is "Right" for homosexuals/bisexuals.  I'm not particularly sure what one can consider an appropriate relationship for either gender outside of base human desires.  While gnder plays a role in whom we find attractive I don't find sexuality to demand what people want in a relationship outside of the correct connectionss as it were.  

Erm for the second part...  I typically could care less for realism when it comes to sexuality in games.  It is point in fact a game.

[Pups_of_war_76]

IsaacShep wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

There's already enough latent sexual tension in MShep's interactions with Kaidan and Jacob that it wouldn't even seem inconsistent.

Why do people insist on presenting problems when there aren't any?

I am glad I am not the only one who saw this,  I always thought my Shep had some feelings of his own in ME1 whenever I tried chatting to Kaidan...

Are you suggesting the scene where Kaidan wipes the sweat of his brow every time ManShep appears form the shadows walking towards him looked like a shot from cheap gay erotica with bad lighting? Or "Losing you felt like losing a limb...! WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME?!?!" on Horizon

*purring*

Alenko, when it's just you and me it's always off the record. 

[mellifera]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Maybe an S/S toggle would be a bad idea. Make it a more in game choice instead. In Shepard's profile, have a section that states 'Sexual Orientation' with three options 'Men', 'Women' 'Both'. That way no one gets offended, everyone gets a choice. S/S shippers then don't have to accidentally restart the game because Kaidan/Vega thinks your straight because you're being friendly to Ash/Tali, or the opposite way around if you're playing as FemShep.

I hate the idea of any sort of sexuality toggle, to be honest. The idea that players need to be that safeguarded from possibly maybe even having the possibility of encountering s/s in their games is hilarious. And if you (not specifically the person I am replying to, general you) do ~accidentally~ pick a flirt/romantic option and you aren't interested, you are always given the option to not pursue it further. That's not anything new. If you have such a big issue with it? Sorry, you just have to deal with it, the same way people who want to make homosexual characters have to deal with getting ninjamanced by opposite-sex characters.

Modifié par yukidama, 18 juin 2011 - 02:45 .