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[AngelicMachinery]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

(Minus Liara who technically doesnt have a gender to begin with) in my canon ME story.

She as all other Asari are of a feminine gender (I yearn for the day of a masculine asari.)  She is of the feminine sex,  she possesses feminine reproductive organs as well as secondary sexual characteristics and falls into a feminine gender ergo...  if it quacks like a duck looks like a duck it's a duck.

As for not having a problem with it you are in fact suggesting a toggle that will push it under the run in your game.  The argument of continuinity really doesn't come into play here as much as you simply not wanting to see it.  Lets be truthful here,  you are for the most part assuming a character is hetero simply because in your mind that is the default outside of a few characters no ones preference is particularly strong...

No one has really been that heavily developed what with those whole five minutes of dialogue per game.

Ok, I admit it, Iam tired of arguing, I am just extremely terrified of finding Garrus, Jacob, or Vega, in my quarters dressed in one of the outfits of that video of yours. There, happy? I still have no problems with homosexuality. I just find it.......odd.

It's no more odd then being straight.

Negative, being straight is something we're all built with the natural plumbing for. Nothing odd about it. Homosexuality on the other hand.........

What with homosexuality having a biological causes one must assume it is natural.  Lots of things are natural...  it doesn't have to be accepted by society to be such.  It isn't odd,  it is simply different than the norm. 

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 18 juin 2011 - 05:08 .

[AngelicMachinery]

weikle21 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

(Minus Liara who technically doesnt have a gender to begin with) in my canon ME story.

She as all other Asari are of a feminine gender (I yearn for the day of a masculine asari.)  She is of the feminine sex,  she possesses feminine reproductive organs as well as secondary sexual characteristics and falls into a feminine gender ergo...  if it quacks like a duck looks like a duck it's a duck.

As for not having a problem with it you are in fact suggesting a toggle that will push it under the run in your game.  The argument of continuinity really doesn't come into play here as much as you simply not wanting to see it.  Lets be truthful here,  you are for the most part assuming a character is hetero simply because in your mind that is the default outside of a few characters no ones preference is particularly strong...

No one has really been that heavily developed what with those whole five minutes of dialogue per game.

Ok, I admit it, Iam tired of arguing, I am just extremely terrified of finding Garrus, Jacob, or Vega, in my quarters dressed in one of the outfits of that video of yours. There, happy? I still have no problems with homosexuality. I just find it.......odd.

It's no more odd then being straight.

Negative, being straight is something we're all built with the natural plumbing for. Nothing odd about it. Homosexuality on the other hand.........

Lol gays are built with their plumbing too, just not the procreating kind like breeders.

Please don't start saying breeders...  it tends to make things so much worse.

[Made Nightwing]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Zevran was undeniably ridiculously  at a level of awesome that no man shall ever approach.

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[weikle21]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

weikle21 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

(Minus Liara who technically doesnt have a gender to begin with) in my canon ME story.

She as all other Asari are of a feminine gender (I yearn for the day of a masculine asari.)  She is of the feminine sex,  she possesses feminine reproductive organs as well as secondary sexual characteristics and falls into a feminine gender ergo...  if it quacks like a duck looks like a duck it's a duck.

As for not having a problem with it you are in fact suggesting a toggle that will push it under the run in your game.  The argument of continuinity really doesn't come into play here as much as you simply not wanting to see it.  Lets be truthful here,  you are for the most part assuming a character is hetero simply because in your mind that is the default outside of a few characters no ones preference is particularly strong...

No one has really been that heavily developed what with those whole five minutes of dialogue per game.

Ok, I admit it, Iam tired of arguing, I am just extremely terrified of finding Garrus, Jacob, or Vega, in my quarters dressed in one of the outfits of that video of yours. There, happy? I still have no problems with homosexuality. I just find it.......odd.

It's no more odd then being straight.

Negative, being straight is something we're all built with the natural plumbing for. Nothing odd about it. Homosexuality on the other hand.........

Lol gays are built with their plumbing too, just not the procreating kind like breeders.

Please don't start saying breeders...  it tends to make things so much worse.

Lol i didn't mean it in the derogatory, simply a characteristic. xD I'm sorry 

[Arijharn]

GodWood wrote...
Keeping in mind I'm a very unemotional person and suck at interpreting people's emotions...

Tali had a crush on Shepard in ME1, throughout the two years he was dead and in ME2.
That's a lot more then her simply being flirty.

Zevran was flirty.

Tali was infatuated.

Considering it wasn't designed at the time though; I think Tali's 'crush' on Shep during ME1 was remarkably well hidden by someone so young. Funny then that she changes so much in this regard in ME2.

I'm with you though; I do find it kinda freaky that Tali wanted to jump my Shep's bones, if only because I only ever saw her as a kid sister (one that I would totally take bullets for, and kill people for to save her life) but her actual crush was just... weird.

[Made Nightwing]

Breeders? Interesting attitude you have there my friend.

[weikle21]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Breeders? Interesting attitude you have there my friend.

I didn't mean it, i was just objecting to his attitude toward gay people. 

[AngelicMachinery]

Arijharn wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Keeping in mind I'm a very unemotional person and suck at interpreting people's emotions...

Tali had a crush on Shepard in ME1, throughout the two years he was dead and in ME2.
That's a lot more then her simply being flirty.

Zevran was flirty.

Tali was infatuated.

Considering it wasn't designed at the time though; I think Tali's 'crush' on Shep during ME1 was remarkably well hidden by someone so young. Funny then that she changes so much in this regard in ME2.

I'm with you though; I do find it kinda freaky that Tali wanted to jump my Shep's bones, if only because I only ever saw her as a kid sister (one that I would totally take bullets for, and kill people for to save her life) but her actual crush was just... weird.

The kid sister vibe is trumped by "Lets have sex,  I don't care if I could die" vibe.

[Abispa]

Made Nightwing wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Zevran was undeniably ridiculously  at a level of awesome that no man shall ever approach is the father of my Warden's love child.

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[Made Nightwing]

weikle21 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Breeders? Interesting attitude you have there my friend.

I didn't mean it, i was just objecting to his attitude toward gay people. 

And? You answered what you perceived to be a derogatory comment with a worse one. How does that improve the situation?

[jeweledleah]

SwobyJ wrote...

1)Whoh, looking too far into this, you are.
2)Earth is being attacked, a crush can wait.
3)My best friend from high school, now in Canadian military, who I still keep in touch with, knows my crush with him quite well. It was occasionally quite strong. Didn't ruin a thing. It's how you approach, and react to it that matters. Kaiden's a 'shrug it off unless it hits a core value' sort of character. Cerberus hits a core value. A slight bit of flirting, no.

good for you, I guess.  long distance helps, no doubt.  but being in close proximity with your crush cosntantly, even with distractions - no fun.

why are you so set on having characters crush on you?  what is wrong with friends to lovers scenario except shepard is the one with a crush?  the reason why I would rather it was shepard and not an npc - is becasue shepard can be role played many ways. Shepard doesn't always have to have a crush - shepard can be atracted to a wide variety of npc's or none of them.  but once you give npc a crush?  its there regardless of which shepard you play.  make that npc bisexual - and they ALWAYS have a crush on you. 

Liara makes me extremely uncomfortable, unless I romance her.  I avoid her as much as possible, unless she is a romantic interest (and in my case, out of 15 shepards, only 2 are with Liara, one male one female, so the other 13? stay far far away from her and don't even ask her for a visit to the Normandy in ME2, because not all of them are on friendly terms and I don't want her hugging them, or hearing shepards who could care less for her say wistfully - come back soon).  I much prefer someone like Jacob or Garrus, they are buddies first, and you have to poke and prod them into becoming something more.  And as much as I liked Kaidan's crushing on my femsheps, after playing through couple of non romanced games.. I started to understand what made so many people (including steadfast lesbian Liara girls so its not just a straight people issue) so annoyed.  the fact that he does promise to get over you (and acts professionaly once you turn him down) is a very small saving grace.  unlike Liara.

Anders was mentioned, because just like Liara, he's always in love with Hawke, male, female, friend, rival, romanced, not romanced - always.  at least he has somewhat of an excuse... his little body guest.  ME characters, have no such excuse, even Liara.

P.S.  Tali's crush.  ugg.  even with femsheps its...weird.  with malesheps?  feels like you just kicked a puppy, when you turn her down.  was that really necessary?

Modifié par jeweledleah, 18 juin 2011 - 05:19 .

[weikle21]

Made Nightwing wrote...

weikle21 wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Breeders? Interesting attitude you have there my friend.

I didn't mean it, i was just objecting to his attitude toward gay people. 

And? You answered what you perceived to be a derogatory comment with a worse one. How does that improve the situation?

Ok, im willing to admit that wasn't necessary. My bad. And there is no improving the situation. I can't change what's in his head, but i don't see why he needed to say it.

[GodWood]

SwobyJ wrote...

GodWood wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
Wow, there's a huge difference between saying you love someone, and a bit of nervous flirtish remarks.  Crush /= unrequited love.

Keeping in mind I'm a very unemotional person and suck at interpreting people's emotions...

Tali had a crush on Shepard in ME1, throughout the two years he was dead and in ME2.
That's a lot more then her simply being flirty.

Zevran was flirty.

Tali was infatuated.

Tali had little unique personality in ME1, and whatever she had on the Normandy, usually involved her history/family feelings, pilgrimage, and her awkwardness can be completely chalked down to the Normandy, a completely alien crew to her, and being put on the spot about her life. No crush. HOWEVER, being talked to so much in ME1 , allowed a crush to gradually develop. This isn't unheard of.

According to Liara she did already have a crush.

By ME2, I'd say she had a crush, and yes I'd agree, she had an infatuation. AGAIN though, that isn't the same as unrequited love. These are very seperate things.

Not really.

Anyways you're arguing semantics and I'm not even sure why.
Tali's tacked on "I've always loved you" crap ruined her character for me.
And I don't want Kaidan doing the same.

That is all.

[AngelicMachinery]

jeweledleah wrote...


Anders was mentioned, because just like Liara, he's always in love with Hawke, male, female, friend, rival, romanced, not romanced - always.  at least he has somewhat of an excuse... his little body guest.  ME characters, have no such excuse, even Liara.

Liara is essentially a college/high school student who ran smack dabb into that girl/guy who despite anything that they do invokes everywhere.  Tali...  tali is just the girl who takes Liara's place now that she's matured and became a bit more renegade.  It depends on the character...  though for the most part I'm not seeing crushes as particularly likely for most characters as they are typically more mature.

[Ryoko]

NoShootay wrote...

I'm a little worried after hearing that "Man Shepard" will be willing to board other dude's decks in Mass Effect 3.  

Not that I want to deprive some dude on dude action for those who are into that kind of thing. It's just, after playing Dragon Age 2 and experiencing Ander's painfully awkward advances, I'm more excited for him to be a cool character that I can blast Aliens with, and then expect to crack open a cool one and brag about how awsome we are.  I mean come on!  We're both Specters now.

I just hope that I can make my intentions clear to Kaiden from an early point in the game, and be bro's that have some kind of sense of humor and badass bond.  Heck, let's give Kaiden a chick!  Give me a sidequest where I play wingman to hook my best friend up!

 Ander's and I would slay a dragon, only for him to ask me about my feelings.  All the coolness of slaying a rowdy beast went out the window when he confesses his feelings for me, and wines about his problems like a girl.  

There are plenty of ladies in Mass Effect that want Shepard's nuts already, but Shepard needs a bro for bro time.  Kaiden can fill that void in Shepards epic tale!  Anybody else feel this way?

oh yeah, epic bromance ftw! but seriously, I don't think they should make already established characters who were once straight now turned bi, especially when it goes against their whole character developement....

[jeweledleah]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...


Anders was mentioned, because just like Liara, he's always in love with Hawke, male, female, friend, rival, romanced, not romanced - always.  at least he has somewhat of an excuse... his little body guest.  ME characters, have no such excuse, even Liara.

Liara is essentially a college/high school student who ran smack dabb into that girl/guy who despite anything that they do invokes everywhere.  Tali...  tali is just the girl who takes Liara's place now that she's matured and became a bit more renegade.  It depends on the character...  though for the most part I'm not seeing crushes as particularly likely for most characters as they are typically more mature.

part of my problem with Tali is that I had shepard who questioned everything she said to him, berated her for her hate of geth, in generaly treated her badly, did NOT share the geth data.... and she's still crushing on him.

I relaly hope that whatever bioware does with new romances, they avoid secret crushes and unrequitted feelings like a plague from now on.  but some fans want it anyways.  I guess its a lovely fantasy.  but so far bioware have proven that in ME - they do not track your interactions with characters nearly enough (I'm amazed they tracked renegading/paragoning Garrus..though it seems that there's still a default setting for him - and he trusts you without question even if you never recruited him).  which is why I hope bioware doesn't listen to the fnas, becasue it relaly will create too much of an OOC interaction, there's already too much of it as it is, I'd rather they didn't add to it.

This really seems to come down
to your style, and that's totally ok. Some prefer being sought after. Some prefer to be left quite alone until meeting a specific person. Some prefer to go after those who interest them, and to be able to do so unimpeded.
Bioware prefers the 'being sought after' as a general rule, it seems. For all the you's that it annoys, it titilates several
young-male demographics wanting Ashleys, Liaras, and Mirandas. Jack was an exception though, her romance was both irritating to deal with (for my gay maleShep) and actually rather interesting in execution.

it irritated more people then it pleased.  way more.  it was the reason for super obvious triggers in ME2 and multiple chances to end the romance.  with exception of Tali and Liara continuation.  I hope they stick to that formula.

incidentaly - Jack doesn't relaly crush on you, she just thinks you only want her for sex, becasue its what she's used to.  she only falls in love with Shepard, after Shepard shows that they are not just in it for the sex and she still has plenty of triggers.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 18 juin 2011 - 05:33 .

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

but once you give npc a crush?  its there regardless of which shepard you play.  make that npc bisexual - and they ALWAYS have a crush on you. 

Once you give an enemy a desire to kill you it's there regardless of which shepard you play. I really don't get the problem here. It's all just a part of of the world, story and writing. Characters should be doing stuff & thinking regardless and independent of Shepard, it would be unrealistic if they were his mental slaves "erase your crush on me now! it makes me feel unconfortable!". You don't role-play everyone in the game, you role-play 1 character and through that character can influence the designed world.

jeweledleah wrote...
P.S.  Tali's crush.  ugg.  even with femsheps its...weird.  with malesheps?  feels like you just kicked a puppy, when you turn her down.  was that really necessary?

Games just as movies are not always about being bros adn super cool with everyone. There are hard choices to make, they're suppoused to move you and make you think. The same way we could ask "Was Virmire necessary?", it made tons of people unfomfortable with making such "kill one to save another" choice.

[GodWood]

SwobyJ wrote...
I don't expect Kaiden to have this. (the 'I've always loved you'). It would be more of an encouragement from Shepard, and if Kaiden's sexuality is written to be fluid enough, Kaiden may respond in kind, etc, etc.

Like Sky from Jade Empire.
That I don't mind.