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[AngelicMachinery]

jeweledleah wrote...

part of my problem with Tali is that I had shepard who questioned everything she said to him, berated her for her hate of geth, in generaly treated her badly, did NOT share the geth data.... and she's still crushing on him.

While I'm not a fan of this sort of relationship you have to realize its actually kind of common.

[shepskisaac]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
While I'm not a fan of this sort of relationship you have to realize its actually kind of common.

It's called the Bastila Shan syndrome "Ohh Master! I love you! But I hate all you stand for! But I think we should put our slimy mucus-covered lips together in the cargo hold!" <3

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 juin 2011 - 05:52 .

[leggywillow]

jeweledleah wrote...

part of my problem with Tali is that I had shepard who questioned everything she said to him, berated her for her hate of geth, in generaly treated her badly, did NOT share the geth data.... and she's still crushing on him.

This is sadly common.  Every time your Shepard is a jerk to Tali, she sees this guy:



Hahahaha, now this thread is even more ridiculous than it already was!  ::runs away::

[AngelicMachinery]

leggywillow wrote...

Hahahaha, now this thread is even more ridiculous than it already was!  ::runs away::

This man is hilarious,  I'm not sure if it's intentional or not but he can easily bring a chuckle.

[jeweledleah]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

part of my problem with Tali is that I had shepard who questioned everything she said to him, berated her for her hate of geth, in generaly treated her badly, did NOT share the geth data.... and she's still crushing on him.

While I'm not a fan of this sort of relationship you have to realize its actually kind of common.

in highschool?  probably. (curse you all, for that image of Edward, it makes it so difficult to admit you actualy like vampire fic, or did before twilight was published - now you read old favorites in secret, becasue if I hear another person tell me: "oh you like vampires, you should read/have you read twilight!"  I'm going to go postal.  aaanyways)
this sort of relationship is unhealthy.  and I absolutely despise
twilight for romanticising it (as if bad writing wasn't enough) 

Tali is not a school girl.  she is apparently old enough, mature enough to lead her own missions, have a high standing in quarian society that's not just due to her upbringing.  she is apparently mature enough to be sent out on her own to find something important to bring back to her people.  incidentaly, for all that - she's still the youngest and the most inexperienced member of your crew in ME1.  in ME2 physiologicaly Jack and Grunt are younger, but Jack has been around and Grunt is a teenager, rather then an adult romantic interest.  making her have that crush was...ugg is the kindest word I can find.  the rest of her romance arc was sweet, but the intro?  ugg.

but either way - everyone else on your ship - is older more experienced, and generaly shown to be mature, yes even Ashley.  she doesn't have experience with aliens or serving abord a spaceship, but she hasn't been promoted to gunnery chief, squad leader and platoon guide for nothing, not to mention the 3 years give or take that happened after destruction of the Normandy. 

these sort of crushes just... don't ...fit.

[HogarthHughes 3]

jeweledleah wrote...
good for you, I guess.  long distance helps, no doubt.  but being in close proximity with your crush cosntantly, even with distractions - no fun.

why are you so set on having characters crush on you?  what is wrong with friends to lovers scenario except shepard is the one with a crush?  the reason why I would rather it was shepard and not an npc - is becasue shepard can be role played many ways. Shepard doesn't always have to have a crush - shepard can be atracted to a wide variety of npc's or none of them.  but once you give npc a crush?  its there regardless of which shepard you play.  make that npc bisexual - and they ALWAYS have a crush on you.  

Liara makes me extremely uncomfortable, unless I romance her.  I avoid her as much as possible, unless she is a romantic interest (and in my case, out of 15 shepards, only 2 are with Liara, one male one female, so the other 13? stay far far away from her and don't even ask her for a visit to the Normandy in ME2, because not all of them are on friendly terms and I don't want her hugging them, or hearing shepards who could care less for her say wistfully - come back soon).  I much prefer someone like Jacob or Garrus, they are buddies first, and you have to poke and prod them into becoming something more.  And as much as I liked Kaidan's crushing on my femsheps, after playing through couple of non romanced games.. I started to understand what made so many people (including steadfast lesbian Liara girls so its not just a straight people issue) so annoyed.  the fact that he does promise to get over you (and acts professionaly once you turn him down) is a very small saving grace.  unlike Liara.

Anders was mentioned, because just like Liara, he's always in love with Hawke, male, female, friend, rival, romanced, not romanced - always.  at least he has somewhat of an excuse... his little body guest.  ME characters, have no such excuse, even Liara.

P.S.  Tali's crush.  ugg.  even with femsheps its...weird.  with malesheps?  feels like you just kicked a puppy, when you turn her down.  was that really necessary?

What's wrong with characters hitting on the protagonist though?  Why should only the player have to/be able to instigate a romance?  Must all the potential LIs be unwilling to make the first move?  Different characters have different personalities, true Liara/Anders are somewhat obsessive and the relationship with them feels a little weird if its not romantic, but still.  Its not about stroking the players ego, characters like Zevran should flirt with the protagonist because thats the type of person they are.  Most of the romance options still require Shepard to put him/herself out there anyways.

I understand that unrequited feelings (or w/e love) can damage or even destroy a friendship.  That doesn't mean that they don't or shouldn't happen.  Every character regardless of personality being so reserved as to never be willing to make the first move is silly.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 18 juin 2011 - 06:45 .

[ForumPortal]

IsaacShep wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
While I'm not a fan of this sort of relationship you have to realize its actually kind of common.

It's called the Bastila Shan syndrome "Ohh Master! I love you! But I hate all you stand for! But I think we should put our slimy mucus-covered lips together in the cargo hold!" <3

lame <_<

[Spatchmo]

Ryoko wrote...

oh yeah, epic bromance ftw! but seriously, I don't think they should make already established characters who were once straight now turned bi, especially when it goes against their whole character developement....

You have basically the best avatar in existence since the dawn of avatars.

But really, I had a friend playing Mass Effect 1 recently as a manshep and he was convinced he was going to be able to romance Kaidan from the way Kaidan interacts with him. It's really not much of a stretch. I am kind of hoping that Mass Effect 3 uses the dialogue icons in the wheel that Dragon Age 2 had, either way. That way I can know for sure if I am being nice, or if I am being NICE and also people who don't want to romance Kaidan (or anyone else) can definitively not romance Kaidan.

Modifié par Spatchmo, 18 juin 2011 - 07:25 .

[Sras]

Shepard Lives wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
 I turned down Ashley but that didn't stop my Shep from being friends with her.

PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU DID THAT.

I keep getting ninjamanced

This is one 'issue' I do hope gets some work in ME3. If I want to romance someone (or avoid romancing someone), makes it clearer if a chat option will start taking me down the romance trail so I can make more informed decisions. Trying to be friends with someone, only to have them think you're trying to get into their pants is... awkward...

[Abispa]

Sras wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
 I turned down Ashley but that didn't stop my Shep from being friends with her.

PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU DID THAT.

I keep getting ninjamanced

This is one 'issue' I do hope gets some work in ME3. If I want to romance someone (or avoid romancing someone), makes it clearer if a chat option will start taking me down the romance trail so I can make more informed decisions. Trying to be friends with someone, only to have them think you're trying to get into their pants is... awkward...

I have this belief that Bioware writers believe that the only reason you'd spend more than two minutes talking to a character is because you want to do them. Especially if they're of the opposite sex. That's why NPC conversations tend to be so short.

"Oh no! Tali/Liara do tend to yap for hours with Shepard/Warden, doesn't she? Well, I guess we better make her take off her clothes."

[ElitePinecone]

Abispa wrote...
I have this belief that Bioware writers believe that the only reason you'd spend more than two minutes talking to a character is because you want to do them. Especially if they're of the opposite sex. That's why NPC conversations tend to be so short.

"Oh no! Tali/Liara do tend to yap for hours with Shepard/Warden, doesn't she? Well, I guess we better make her take off her clothes."

Heh, that's probably true. 

Though I did enjoy the platonic conversation(s) with Thane and Samara in ME2. Of all the new squadmates it seemed as if they had the most to talk about, and their explanations of lore (even if they were serving as an ME1-Tali-esque walking encyclopedia) were rather interesting. 

I and many others have said this before, but non-romance friendships paths should be improved for ME3, and everything I've read from the writers suggests they will be. 

[MegaBadExample]

Ugh........I need a lot of drink before I handle this thread.

[Arijharn]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

The kid sister vibe is trumped by "Lets have sex,  I don't care if I could die" vibe.

Heh, that's such a 'weird' statement it could have been voiced by Tali!

But not for me at least, if only because it doesn't feel like a 'vibe' because if I am with one of my real sisters and we somehow find ourselves in a dangerous life threatening situations, we still wouldn't be doing the deed and for reasons that should be obvious.

To get back to Tali (romance) for a second though; it also has another element that is an issue to me at least. She's an alien. I value her as an individual and as a friend (within all my games, because how could I not?), but thinking along the lines of attraction, I'm not sure how it's even biologically possible to fall in love with someone from another species (don't worry, I didn't understand this development in Avatar either). I get the principle: It's not skin deep etc, etc... but to me it's a massive Edgar Hoover Dam roadblock. This is all academic though; because even if Tali was a human and she was still Tali, I wouldn't find her attractive in the situation either.

[Imperator_Prime]

NoShootay wrote...

I'm a little worried after hearing that "Man Shepard" will be willing to board other dude's decks in Mass Effect 3.  
[...]
There are plenty of ladies in Mass Effect that want Shepard's nuts already, but Shepard needs a bro for bro time.  Kaiden can fill that void in Shepards epic tale!  Anybody else feel this way?

Why in the world should you be "worried" about it?  We'll tell you the same thing we tell people who're all panicked over "gay marriage":  if you don't want a same-sex relationship, don't have one.  But giving other people the option to doesn't effect you.  In any meaningful way.  Whatsoever.  Don't flirt with Kaiden if you don't want to romance him.  Personally, I've been waiting since ME1 for the Alliance to repeal DADT-in-space so that Shepard can confess his true feelings for his 'bro' and get an entirely different 'void' in the tail filled.  :-P  That's the best possible scenario anyway:  get drunk and play xbox with your buddy, get laid the way only another guy who knows guys can help you to do, and then go to sleep instead of being kept up and nagged to talk about your feelings.

[Abispa]

Imperator_Prime wrote...

NoShootay wrote...

I'm a little worried after hearing that "Man Shepard" will be willing to board other dude's decks in Mass Effect 3.  
[...]
There are plenty of ladies in Mass Effect that want Shepard's nuts already, but Shepard needs a bro for bro time.  Kaiden can fill that void in Shepards epic tale!  Anybody else feel this way?

Why in the world should you be "worried" about it?  We'll tell you the same thing we tell people who're all panicked over "gay marriage":  if you don't want a same-sex relationship, don't have one.  But giving other people the option to doesn't effect you.  In any meaningful way.  Whatsoever.  Don't flirt with Kaiden if you don't want to romance him.  Personally, I've been waiting since ME1 for the Alliance to repeal DADT-in-space so that Shepard can confess his true feelings for his 'bro' and get an entirely different 'void' in the tail filled.  :-P  That's the best possible scenario anyway:  get drunk and play xbox with your buddy, get laid the way only another guy who knows guys can help you to do, and then go to sleep instead of being kept up and nagged to talk about your feelings.

I sometimes think that some players are terrified that they may accidentally  hit some dialog option and male Shepard will suddenly assume Meer's elf prostitute voice from DA2.

[AngelicMachinery]

Abispa wrote...

I sometimes think that some players are terrified that they may accidentally  hit some dialog option and male Shepard will suddenly assume Meer's elf prostitute voice from DA2.

I would enjoy something like this being recorded... only for the laughs of course,  but,  it would be GREAT!

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 19 juin 2011 - 02:01 .

[Abispa]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I sometimes think that some players are terrified that they may accidentally  hit some dialog option and male Shepard will suddenly assume Meer's elf prostitute voice from DA2.

I would enjoy something like this being record... only for the laughs of course,  but,  it would be GREAT!

My GF argues that if Bioware caves in and puts an "all straight" toggle in the pregame options, there should be a toggle that gives all the guys an "alternate lifestyle" voice for the players who want to be "gay as hell in ME3."

[AngelicMachinery]

Abispa wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I sometimes think that some players are terrified that they may accidentally  hit some dialog option and male Shepard will suddenly assume Meer's elf prostitute voice from DA2.

I would enjoy something like this being record... only for the laughs of course,  but,  it would be GREAT!

My GF argues that if Bioware caves in and puts an "all straight" toggle in the pregame options, there should be a toggle that gives all the guys an "alternate lifestyle" voice for the players who want to be "gay as hell in ME3."

Normally I'm not a huge fan of stereotypes...  but,  I might be able to find amusement in this.

[Spatchmo]

Abispa wrote...

My GF argues that if Bioware caves in and puts an "all straight" toggle in the pregame options, there should be a toggle that gives all the guys an "alternate lifestyle" voice for the players who want to be "gay as hell in ME3."

Only if the toggle is literally called "Gay As Hell".

[Abispa]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Normally I'm not a huge fan of stereotypes...  but,  I might be able to find amusement in this.

Tis true. It's always a dangerous thing to perpetuate stereotypes, especially if they give the impression that "they" are all "that way." But this is just kind of, "Look, paranoid ME fans, your worst fears realized!" I guess a way to turn the tables on me would be to have all the female characters assume a Maxim pose everytime they talk and the game camera spends the entire scene parted behind their backside.

[AngelicMachinery]

Abispa wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Normally I'm not a huge fan of stereotypes...  but,  I might be able to find amusement in this.

Tis true. It's always a dangerous thing to perpetuate stereotypes, especially if they give the impression that "they" are all "that way." But this is just kind of, "Look, paranoid ME fans, your worst fears realized!" I guess a way to turn the tables on me would be to have all the female characters assume a Maxim pose everytime they talk and the game camera spends the entire scene parted behind their backside.

[Dapper Pomegranate]

Spatchmo wrote...

But really, I had a friend playing Mass Effect 1 recently as a manshep and he was convinced he was going to be able to romance Kaidan from the way Kaidan interacts with him. It's really not much of a stretch.

I thought this too on my first playthrough. After I beat the game with no Kaidan romance, I was all wtf? I even went on the interwebs with all my "What did I do wrong?" questions; it was tragic, to say the least.

ElitePinecone wrote...

Though I did enjoy the platonic conversation(s) with Thane and Samara in ME2.

Actually, one of the reasons Samara was my third favourite ME2 squaddy (one among many, mind you, she was still a great character) was that she was one of the four or five females in the game that didn't try to rape my manshep. Seriously, every chick was trying to get in his pants, asking if he loved them, eye-humping him, kissing him unprovoked. Not to mention Liara's hugs. Full-bodied, five second long hugs with wierd heavy breathing are not friend hugs! Poor Shepard must have felt so violated by the end

[Comsky159]

randomcheeses wrote...

NoShootay wrote...
 Ander's and I would slay a dragon, only for him to ask me about my feelings.  All the coolness of slaying a rowdy beast went out the window when he confesses his feelings for me, and wines about his problems like a girl.  

Nice. Gotta love the offensive gender-stereotyping.

Seriously, did you even think before typing that?

Don't pick apart the wording. He just wants Kaidan to be a badass combative freind rather than having to have every conversation under the same romance paradigm as with the female characters.That's an entirely legitimate opinion.

People need to stem these accusations of homophobia and sexism flying around. It's a little bemusing how people can so easily gain supremacy over arguments by simply assuming the stance of a liberalist minority and throwing the guilt card.