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How is Shepard going to avoid indoctrination with so many reapers around

Débuté par FERMi27 , juin 17 2011 01:38

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 05:45

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Davie McG wrote...

In retribution TIM discovers reaper nano technology and implants them into Grayson's spine. Over several days he becomes indoctrinated, however I think the level of free will given to the indoctrinated is entirely up to the reapers. It's also worth noting that it seemed like more than one reaper could interact with Grayson while he was indoctrinated.


Sometimes its nanos, sometimes its signals..sigh. We'll figure out somehow, what this indocrination thingy is.

My estimate:

If Reapers are trying to turn you into braindead husks = a day or so (for weak willed) to a few days (for strong willed)

If Reapers are trying to get into your mind, messing you up, etc = a few days (weak willed, close prox) to a couple weeks (strong willed, further away)

If Reapers want you as a tool for a time = a few weeks to even a few months

And this is all dependant on what they want you as - if they want you husky, then its dialed up, if they want you a clear-minded tool, then you could go years and years with competance (putting the above 3 estimations I gave out the window). There may be a 'natural' time for indoctrination to set in, but it can take much much longer if a Reaper directly wills it to be so.

So yeah, I'm thinking that Reapers might release nanos, but the signal that Reapers (Reapers themselves, their technology, communicaton devices, etc) makes the difference between an automatic 'drooling braindead' response over time, between that and being a tool of the Reapers for an extended time.

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 05:46

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By wearing N7 Plot Armor.

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 07:20

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Rojahar wrote...

By wearing N7 Plot Armor.

Is this it?
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Modifié par lobi, 18 juin 2011 - 07:22 .

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 10:21

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He/She is Cyber *ucking Space Jesus. Evil shall not pass!

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 12:11

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Um... who says Shepard won't be indoctrinated? Perhaps fighting indoctrination will be one of the themes in ME3.
Or, better yet, perhaps Shepard is special and can't be indoctrinated. You know, being the chosen one. :whistle:
 

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 03:31

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maybe paragon and renegade options like Shepard and Morinth

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 03:37

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Main character plot armor

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 03:45

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nevermind

Modifié par laudable11, 18 juin 2011 - 03:48 .

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 03:53

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Who says he avoids it? He may well become indoctrinated in ME3. He may already be indoctrinated...

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 03:53

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 04:22

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Not sure if its been said already, but indoctrination is now known. Or at least how it affects people. Blocking such signals shouldnt be too hard in a situation like this. Also I was under the impression that you have to be considerably near a reaper, or inside one at least. I am sure the process is a bit intricate (sp?) and would require a bit more finess even for a reaper. I dont think it would be easy for a Reaper, even to quickly reaperize them, when ships and the like are firing upon them
Knowing the reapers, I am sure that they are at the stage where they still believe they are untouchable. SUch beings get cocky (god complex?), and leave themselves open
Regardless the effect of indoctrination are much more researched than likely any other species in past galactic extinction events. This is a great stride and likely important. Who knows maybe they have been developing in secret anti indoctrination fields or something similar.

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 04:28

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How will the whole crew avoid it? Well im sure Mordin will think of something.

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 04:35

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XyleJKH wrote...

Not sure if its been said already, but indoctrination is now known. Or at least how it affects people. Blocking such signals shouldnt be too hard in a situation like this. 


Did you play Arrival?

Knowing about indoctrination sure didn't help that science team.

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 04:37

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Arrival seems to have forgotten about one of the key concepts of indoctrination: The more indoctrinated you are, the less capable you become.

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 04:41

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Thats the thing, I have played arrival. Its very likely they didn't KNOW what they were getting into. How would they know a reaper artifact would be able to indoctrinate. They only knew Reapers did it
Even Shepard said it in arrival "You just have it here? In the open? This is NOT GOOD!"
So... the science team was ill prepared for the effects of indoctrination

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 04:42

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Minister of Sound wrote...

Arrival seems to have forgotten about one of the key concepts of indoctrination: The more indoctrinated you are, the less capable you become.


You know what? I never made that connection before, thanks. Although, I don't believe it was explicitly stated how long the science team was around Object Rho. Maybe it was weeks or even months since it must have taken time to get all those parts from Omega. By the time they were ready to execute the plan, the indoctrination was strong enough to make them attack Shepard.

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 04:44

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XyleJKH wrote...

Thats the thing, I have played arrival. Its very likely they didn't KNOW what they were getting into. How would they know a reaper artifact would be able to indoctrinate. They only knew Reapers did it
Even Shepard said it in arrival "You just have it here? In the open? This is NOT GOOD!"
So... the science team was ill prepared for the effects of indoctrination


Valid point. Kenson did say she took every precaution with the artifact. Of course, we don't know what that was or even if they actually did take precautions-it could be the indoctrinated Kenson lieing to Shepard.

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 04:53

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... When playing ME:3 their will be a faint voice on the background compelling people to buy all the DLC's over and over again

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 04:59

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we know indoctrination uses nano technology, as I stated on the previous page, and using these nano bots the reapers were able to indoctrinate Grayson from dark space after they had been injected into his nervous system by TIM.

Thus I think its safe to say that any reaper tech could be carrying these nano things. so close proximity to anything reaper carries a danger of indoctrination.

So far the only people we know to be studying the effects of indoctrination are cerberus and it backfired on them quite spectacularly. Even if cerberus did find a cure for indoctrination they're unlikely to share it with Shepard. so hopefully Mordin will come up with something.

P.S I wouldn't say its well known, Udina, Anderson, Hackett, Shepard (and by extention his crew) and cerberus knows about it. the council hasn't exactly been spreading the word were the reapers are concerned.

Modifié par Davie McG, 18 juin 2011 - 05:08 .

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 05:03

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Sort of weird that Shepard recruited Mordin in ME:2 who knew very little abouth the collectors and not that Asari girl that studied reaper technology under Saren

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 05:28

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As for nanites causing indoctrination:

I remember reading that in Retribution, but I don't recall it ever explicitly stating that is how indoctrination is caused. What I took from it, was that when injected with Reaper technology, the Reapers gain control of you. It is one form of indoctrination, but not the only one. Then again, it's been many months since I read it.

Plus, if nanites caused indoctrination, then Shepard and everyone one else with him would have those nanites in them. Even if they fought off the indoctrination, there would still be millions or more Reaper nanites swarming through their bodies. If I were the Reapers, I would just reprogram them to eat Shepard's brain or cut through his carotid artery-he'd be dead in seconds.

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 05:50

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They must answer, what have been Kenson and the female Scientist doing with Shepard two days consecutive. Were they that hungry for love, or they actually did perform with him something bad, but still censored?
And my most recent, and great, explanation of why Harbinger wanted to needed Shepard's body, consists in the following: the Reapers realized they were unable to indoctrinate Shepard(wtf?), regardless of the efforts applied. Which may suggest that he is unique, stronger than an average Reaper, and his only weak points are - open space and Ardat-Akshi. These are two things that are able to kill him. Two much more then Chuck Norris had, if you ask me, but it's still cool!

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 06:22

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Well the only way to explain the plot hole of being unconscious around a reaper artifact in Arrival WOULD be that Shepard is exceptionally strong against Reaper methods of indoctrination. But..why? That's the question :) (if Bioware wants to go this route)

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 08:46

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Mesina2 wrote...

Indoctrination takes weeks or months, sometimes even a year.

Also Saren was serving Sovereign for years and still had free will even by the end of ME1.


What...... ? Not quite.... <_<

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Posté 18 juin 2011 - 09:14

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You guys have forgotten that Shepard was mentally knocked out in Arrival dlc by a reaper artifact and he was in the vicinity of that reaper device for more than 2 days. Not to mention his other encounters with reaper technology... So... he/she should have some... scars...
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