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[Someone With Mass]

ADLegend21 wrote...
more interesting than than whining space gypsies who just have to land on their homeworld to retake it.

More interesting than watching some racist space bimbo prance around in heels while having a dozen logos all over her suit, trying to tell everyone that she's a Spectre and so special, even if her very presence is an insult to Spectres everywhere.

No, I think I'd rather be with the space gypsies.

[Inprea]

VaticanVice wrote...

IIRC, it was mentioned in ME2 that the Geth aren't even occupying Rannoch.  They orbit it in stations and consider themselves caretakers of the planet, but have no actual desire to live on it.  They don't want to go to war.  They want the Quarians to talk to them so they can come to a compromise.  If the Quarians aren't willing to do that, then I'm siding with the Geth.  Period.  Sorry, Tali, we're lady-bros, but I won't help your people exterminate a sentient race just because you consider them a mistake.

Edit:  Ninja'd.

Pretty much this. Legion even mentions it's only the heretic geth that want to harm organics. The only real issue in these matters is trust.

I'm also reminded of a statement in which Bioware says the player is going to enjoy greater and greater degrees of success. If you pushed for war in ME2 with the Geth then peace will probably be hard to achieve and probably not to the same level. However, if you encouraged Tali to make peace, saved her from exile, told the court not to go to war, told the admirals not to go to war, saved Reager who's pushing for peace himself. Well I believe you'll be able to convince some Quarians to show a little faith and return to their home world.

That said I fully expect a coup from at least one of the admirals forcing you to apply bullets to her head. Perhaps you'll even get to shoot that face plate off and see what's under it. Hopefully said bullets won't mess up the face too much.

[PARAGON87]

Robhuzz wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

I think if you chose to brainwash the Heretics, you are able to make peace with the geth and allow the quarians to co-habitate Rannoch with them.

If you chose to destroy the Heretics, you can either choose to war with the geth to take back Rannoch, or find the quarians a new homeworld.

That's my hopes, anyway.

Erm how does brainwashing/destroying the heretics make any difference in their possible effort to make peace with the quarians? Choosing option 1 will eliminate the geth heretics, choosing option 2 will also eliminate the heretics. The only thing that's different is the geth will potentially be stronger in ME3 if you choose rewrite..

Because destroying a faction of the geth that the Orthodox geth allowed to seperate can be regarded as war.  In that respect, there may be an idea within the geth that peace cannot be attainable if organics choose to destroy a faction rather than make peace with them. 

Thus a consensus can form that organics do not want peace, and co-existance of Rannoch cannot be achieved by peaceful means.  Thus war is only possible for organics reoccupy the quarian homeworld. 

You can say that the rewrite was not a peaceful action, however, everyone can say it was non-violent.  No geth "died".  To bring the geth brothers together in a non-violent fashion, and making the geth more powerful, can, inevitably, be construed as a peaceful maneuver, and realizing that this was done by an organic nonetheless, the geth can build a consensus that trust can be built with organics and synthetics.

That trust can be the only way the geth and quarians can coexist.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 17 juin 2011 - 04:19 .

[Bocks]

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Just so everyone's clear on this. Besides, this could have happened to any species at all. We would feel the same way as the Quarians if Earth was taken over by a machine intellige-

Oh, wait.

Modifié par Bocks, 17 juin 2011 - 04:25 .

[Akizora]

Collectively blaming the Geth for the actions of a seperate Geth faction does not work, it does however work to collectively blame all the heretics since they are all one. But in ME3 all the Geth heretics will either be rewritten or destroyed, so you'd be attacking a part of the Geth innocent of the crimes you wish to impose your justice/revenge from.

I would rather let any Quarian attacking the Geth die, they should know better. They've always been the first to act in hostilities towards the Geth and they wonder why the Geth attack them in response?

[Pups_of_war_76]

No.

[Nerevar-as]

As of ME2, I´m with the Geth. Most Quarians seem to have learned nothing of why the Geth decimated and kicked them out of their planets in the first place. There´s no moral high ground in how the thing started, but at the time of the game events non-heretic Geth look to have learned more.

And I really hope they don´t try to recover their worlds when they know Reapers are coming.

[Bocks]

Nerevar-as wrote...

As of ME2, I´m with the Geth. Most Quarians seem to have learned nothing of why the Geth decimated and kicked them out of their planets in the first place. There´s no moral high ground in how the thing started, but at the time of the game events non-heretic Geth look to have learned more.

And I really hope they don´t try to recover their worlds when they know Reapers are coming.

Most Quarians grow up brainwashed that the Geth are the ultimate evil. If you were born in **** Germany, you would be taught the same about Jews.

EDIT: What the hell? Why is N A Z I censored?

Modifié par Bocks, 17 juin 2011 - 05:24 .

[bigSarg]

PARAGON87 wrote...

I think if you chose to brainwash the Heretics, you are able to make peace with the geth and allow the quarians to co-habitate Rannoch with them.

If you chose to destroy the Heretics, you can either choose to war with the geth to take back Rannoch, or find the quarians a new homeworld.

That's my hopes, anyway.

Yea this would be awesome !

[Travie]

I could never say no to legion's cold lifeless eyes.

awwwww

[ReallyRue]

I'll try to make peace between quarians and geth. And then slap the lot of them if they don't like it.

[mulder1199]

i wouldn't mind a stealth mission for this sort of thing....infiltrate with legion and/or tali, and repurpose(p) or destroy®-much like with legions LM from ME2, to allow the quarians to retake their home world.....

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I'll deliver the Quarian fleet to what they think is there homeworld...only it is a colony filled with hungry Turians!

"It's a cook book, it's a cook book!"

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

The quarians have every right to their homeworld.  The geth are robots.  They don't need rights.  Either they give the planet back to the quarians, or there will be blood-- I mean... sparks flying.

If it's possible to make make peace, then that's fine... as long as the quarians get to live on their planet of origin.  I'm doing this so that one day the quarians will be able to kiss each other and whatnot without catching a cold.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 17 juin 2011 - 07:25 .

[Minty-Fresh]

Im sure it will be like the krogan princess on the salarian homeworld, you can do it to reunite two waring factions.

[Gabey5]

i really don't care for the quarians, they either get down with shepard or I will make sure they never see their homeworld

[Smeelia]

PARAGON87 wrote...

Because destroying a faction of the geth that the Orthodox geth allowed to seperate can be regarded as war.  In that respect, there may be an idea within the geth that peace cannot be attainable if organics choose to destroy a faction rather than make peace with them. 

Thus a consensus can form that organics do not want peace, and co-existance of Rannoch cannot be achieved by peaceful means.  Thus war is only possible for organics reoccupy the quarian homeworld. 

You can say that the rewrite was not a peaceful action, however, everyone can say it was non-violent.  No geth "died".  To bring the geth brothers together in a non-violent fashion, and making the geth more powerful, can, inevitably, be construed as a peaceful maneuver, and realizing that this was done by an organic nonetheless, the geth can build a consensus that trust can be built with organics and synthetics.

That trust can be the only way the geth and quarians can coexist.

That doesn't make any sense and the Geth gave Shepard the choice in the first place.  Legion says you have to make the decision, if they're not happy with the decision later then it was their mistake.  If the Geth are going to think the way you suggest then peaceful coexistence is highly unlikely anyway, they'll just find another excuse to go to war.

JockBuster wrote...

Admiral vas Neema says, "We need to find a world to shelter our non-combanants."
Admiral val Krois says, "We need to find out IF we can make peace with the Geth."
Legion says, "The Geth are 'caretakes' of Rannoch, and cleaning up the damage from the 'Morning War'.
This implies that, the Geth and Quarians are going to make peace and end their fight, Shepard tells them, "You BOTH need to end this war, or we'll ALL end up paying for it!" IMHO, when the Quarians find out that the Geth have actually rebuilt Rannoch and the other colonies, they will thank the Geth and return to their 'homeworld' to join Shepard and the Geth in the fight against the Reapers as allies and not adversaries.

I'm not sure the Quarians will exactly "thank" the Geth, they might be able to start living together though.  The real problem would be that individual Quarians may not be happy and could lash out against the Geth, for them to continue existing together the Geth would have to be able to identify the difference between the individual and the whole (that does seem to have been a problem for them in the past, perhaps because they think of themselves as the same being).

On another note, I don't know if the Geth are actually keeping Rannoch intact because they want to give it back to the Quarians some day.  It's possible that they're keeping it as a kind of memento (similar behaviour to what Legion displays with the N7 armour piece) or for some other reason.  It's at least implied at one point in ME1 that the Geth have some form of religion (or at least are interested in looking into religion) so it could also have something to do with that.  It's possible that the reason they're keeping it may make them less likely to want to give it back (they may think of it as theirs, you could argue that it is their homeworld too).

[omgodzilla]

Ill make sure the Quarians are screwed if they ever mess with Legion.

[Warkupo]

A major plot point in ME3 is apparently going to be in going around the galaxy and uniting the various races to your cause. With that in mind, Shepard will likely need to ally the Geth and the Quarians, or destroy one or the other.

[Nerevar-as]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

The quarians have every right to their homeworld.  The geth are robots.  They don't need rights.  Either they give the planet back to the quarians, or there will be blood-- I mean... sparks flying.

If it's possible to make make peace, then that's fine... as long as the quarians get to live on their planet of origin.  I'm doing this so that one day the quarians will be able to kiss each other and whatnot without catching a cold.

All of this has happened before...

I wish I had the chance to send them Adama´s decomission of the Galactica speech.

On the other side if given a place and resources to build their Dyson Sphere, geth would likely mind their own bussiness. But the resources for that must be brutal.

[KainrycKarr]

Metalunatic wrote...

I want to see coexistance between the quarians and the geth!

Yes.

[eye basher]

i say let the quarians try to take back there homeworld from the geth by force keep in mind that geth ships barely bigger than a frigate wiped out the fleet protecting the citadel and the quarians want to fight them with there shanti fleet were most of there ships are coobled togethere and some are 300 years old it's like trying to fight a battleship with a tug boat.

[1upD]

The Quarian/Geth homeworld seems to be one of the bigger missions along with the Tunchanka/Sur'Kesh campaign.  After seeing the E3 demos, I think things might go a little bit differently than expected. I'm sure at the end of the conflict we'll get to make some kind of choice on the outcome, either peace, Geth dominance, or Quarian dominance, but the missions themselves might be so clearly 'Quarian vs Geth'.  I think that in one of the interviews Casey Hudson or whoever was doing the demo said something about the Geth being Indoctrinated.  Does that mean all the Geth?  Legion also refers to the shield protecting the larval Reaper as a 'Geth Shield' and shortly afterwards Joker mentions the 'Quarian Fleet' being 'in orbit'.  There were also later scenes of Shepard and a group of Quarians looking at a hologram in the center of a ship, possibly the Normandy. It looks like Legion is working with Shepard and the Quarians to fight the Reapers (and by extension, the heretical Geth) on Rannoch.  The bigger question might be similar to Legion's loyalty mission, whether to save them from Indoctrination or simply kill them. 

I should really rewatch that 20 minute preview to cite a few of these details better...

[PARAGON87]

Smeelia wrote...

That doesn't make any sense and the Geth gave Shepard the choice in the first place.  Legion says you have to make the decision, if they're not happy with the decision later then it was their mistake.  If the Geth are going to think the way you suggest then peaceful coexistence is highly unlikely anyway, they'll just find another excuse to go to war.

Hmm, I forgot to think of Legion as a spokesman of geth collective.

It is a matter of opinion; though I think that the whole choice of rewriting/destroying the Heratics will be outlined in a black vs. white issue anyway, and one will have negative repercussions and one will have positive repercussions. 

We've seen this in the Council choice in ME1; allowing the Destiny Ascension to be destroyed seems like a negative repercussion, as homans are now further resented by the galactic community, even if you thought sparing the Fifth Fleet was the best choice. 

So I think that most likely rewriting = good choice (lead to peace), destroying = bad choice (lead to war).

Modifié par PARAGON87, 18 juin 2011 - 03:14 .