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[Raiil]

I'll help the quarians move back in if I get some solid proof that they're not going to shoot the s--t out of the geth as soon as I FTL my bottom out of atmo. Meaning someone better tie Daro'Xen vas Moreh to my thrusters so I can incinerate her on my way out.

I love Tali dearly, but I love the right to self-determinate more, and I extend that to all sentient beings. The geth count.

Modifié par Valentia X, 18 juin 2011 - 02:06 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Screw the quarians... they got what they deserved. I'd rather help the geth.

[Destr1er]

I'd help Tali and her crazy space Gypsy brethern, but only if they didn't attack or remain hostile with the Geth.
Legion was a solid ally, and the Geth are now my allies. At least in my playthrus.

Plus, if push came to shove, I'd rather have merciless AI killing machines on my side rather than a bunch of sickly sci-fi carnies in their broken down space-jalopies.

[Fordtransit]

My bet is for peacful co-existence. Ready to gun down all and eny faction opppoising it - the stakes are too high for fuzzing around.
The Geth and Quarians are valuble allies. Geth with all AI might - remember Citadel - alliance fleet torn to shreds, and EDI-s comment - intellegence sized like a galactic arm.
And they have been contacted by reapers and may have learn thing or two about them. Maybe some help from there how to deal with reapers. Is there enyone else who have been interacting with Nazara and walked away ? No. Just Shep and Geth.
Quarian fleet can take care of 17 millions refugees in one trip? Valuble asset it is. Plus sending the best of it to dark space as "fail safe" with multiple races on board..would be one of courses of action.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a secondary objective.

I'm getting the feeling that things like curing the genophage and fixing the geth/quarian situation might be the ME3 version of sidequests.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Skirata129 wrote...

...I'd side with the geth. they have the right of it.

Pretty much this.

They can have their petty little homeworld back if the geth decide they can have it, as Legion implied they'd be allowed to, but if they try to take it by force...

[Pedro Costa]

Mash Mashington wrote...

I have no way of expressing how tired i am of quarians and solving their stupid problems. Can i haz some geth now

This. I won't even think twice. As long as the Geth are like Legion says, I'll support them. ME2 really changed my stance on the Geth.

Besides, I don't understand how so many people can support a genocidal race like the Quarians and yet want to erradicate the Geth.
The moment their slaves [Geth] gained sentienced they [Quarians] hopped immediately into the torch and pitchfork mentality.

If peace between both people's is possible, I'll support it, if not, I'll side with the Geth.

[Guns]

Geth are artificial machines gone rogue nothing more. Wouldn't hesitate to wipe them out in a second.

[Smeelia]

PARAGON87 wrote...

Hmm, I forgot to think of Legion as a spokesman of geth collective.

It is a matter of opinion; though I think that the whole choice of rewriting/destroying the Heratics will be outlined in a black vs. white issue anyway, and one will have negative repercussions and one will have positive repercussions. 

We've seen this in the Council choice in ME1; allowing the Destiny Ascension to be destroyed seems like a negative repercussion, as homans are now further resented by the galactic community, even if you thought sparing the Fifth Fleet was the best choice. 

So I think that most likely rewriting = good choice (lead to peace), destroying = bad choice (lead to war).

You could argue that there are advantages after the destruction of the Destiny Ascension and council as well though, Humans come out stronger and all races are more focussed on military and security agendas (which might help them prepare for the coming battles).  Plus, Human dominance of the council could make it easier to finally get all the races on side when they can't deny the existence of the Reaper threat anymore.

It's possible that the outcome of the choice will be so simple but it's definately one of the ones that is more ambiguous (some would argue that destroying rather than "enslaving" is more Paragon).  I don't think so many choices will guarantee specific outcomes in ME3, more likely they'll have an effect and change the situation but there may still be something you can do to get a different outcome.

Guns wrote...

Geth are artificial machines gone rogue nothing more. Wouldn't hesitate to wipe them out in a second.

You could argue that Humans are animals gone rogue, most other creatures don't bother with technology and a lot of the other things that we get up to.

Modifié par Smeelia, 18 juin 2011 - 12:27 .

[Akizora]

Guns wrote...

Geth are artificial machines gone rogue nothing more. Wouldn't hesitate to wipe them out in a second.

That's how the Reapers view organic life.

"We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."

I fail to see the distinction, the Reapers believe organic life inferior - some organics believe machine life inferior. Both believe they have the right to impose their will on the other.

[BubbleSauce]

The geth occupying the quarian home world are not heretics, and therefore are innocent and not at all directly related to eden prime, I don't see it as an objective at all, and I'll only do it if it will gain me the quarians forces to help take down the reapers, but in all honesty, I think the innocent geth would be a far better asset to have in the battle against the reapers, and it's an asset Shepard won't get if he goes kicking them out of their home, even if it did once belong to the quarians.

The quarians should leave their old world behind and look for a new one, although being dextro-amino acid based life forms complicates things slightly, there are no shortage of worlds for them to live on (see the colonisation efforts of the turians for example)

[Eire Icon]

BubbleSauce wrote...

The geth occupying the quarian home world are not heretics, and therefore are innocent and not at all directly related to eden prime, 

Why because Legion said so ? My Shepard will want a bit more proof then that

[Dannyboy9876]

It makes no sense to kill the Geth there, and we see Legion conversing with Quarian Admirals in an E3 Demo, so yes, the Quarians WILL get their homeworld back, but zero conflict or hostilities.

Hopefully.

[Nagatsu]

Me personally after all that work of trying to convince both sides they need to coexist in my playthroughs and they still want to kill I want to say let them and watch the Quarians get spanked by the Geth or vice versa maybe that will knock some sense into them since it seems both sides are pretty stubborn on being aggressive to one another ( except Legion was really polite about it XD )

[Nagatsu]

Me personally after all that work of trying to convince both sides they need to coexist in my playthroughs and they still want to kill I want to say let them and watch the Quarians get spanked by the Geth or vice versa maybe that will knock some sense into them since it seems both sides are pretty stubborn on being aggressive to one another ( except Legion was really polite about it XD )

[The Stabilo Boss]

On page 117 of Mass Effect: Revelation, it says:

"In the aftermath of the war, the geth became a completely isolationist society. Cutting off all contact with the organic species of the galaxy, they expanded their territory into the unexplored regions behind a vast nebulae cloud known as the Perseus Veil. Every attempt to open diplomatic channels with them failed: emissary vessels sent to open negotiations were attacked and destroyed the moment they entered geth space."

This kind of goes against what Legion says about the geth being peaceful, and wanting to coexist with organics. Still, it's possible that this isn't meant to be considered canon, or that the book was written before the writers had decided that they didn't want the geth to be villains.

OT, I'd kind of like to have both the geth and the quarians on my side in ME3, so I can have an army of sentient robots AND the largest fleet in the galaxy.

[Dannyboy9876]

The Stabilo Boss wrote...
This kind of goes against what Legion says about the geth being peaceful, and wanting to coexist with organics. Still, it's possible that this isn't meant to be considered canon, or that the book was written before the writers had decided that they didn't want the geth to be villains.

Exactly.

[l DryIce l]

Bocks wrote...

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Just so everyone's clear on this. Besides, this could have happened to any species at all. We would feel the same way as the Quarians if Earth was taken over by a machine intellige-

Oh, wait.

"An ally and friendly species is destroyed" is a "so-so" outcome? Really now? That's just as bad as "Quarian civilization is destroyed". Both should be red, because both are the same (an ally/friendly species). 

[arne1234]

Dannyboy9876 wrote...

It makes no sense to kill the Geth there, and we see Legion conversing with Quarian Admirals in an E3 Demo, so yes, the Quarians WILL get their homeworld back, but zero conflict or hostilities.

Hopefully.

Source please? We see Legion driving and shepard up at the flotille but Legion isn't with Shepard... or am i wrong?

[Smeelia]

Eire Icon wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

The geth occupying the quarian home world are not heretics, and therefore are innocent and not at all directly related to eden prime, 

Why because Legion said so ? My Shepard will want a bit more proof then that

They did help you blow up a large number of them (in a way that would have been much more difficult without their help) so that's a start at least.  Of course, we don't know how much the Geth value individual programs (apparently a lot but you can't be sure) so that could easily be a token gesture and the whole thing could be another test to see how organics respond rather than a genuine demonstration of peaceful intent (or they could just change their minds at some point).  That said, trust is a fragile thing at the best of times and sometimes it's worth taking the chance.

The Stabilo Boss wrote...

On page 117 of Mass Effect: Revelation, it says:

"In the aftermath of the war, the geth became a completely isolationist society. Cutting off all contact with the organic species of the galaxy, they expanded their territory into the unexplored regions behind a vast nebulae cloud known as the Perseus Veil. Every attempt to open diplomatic channels with them failed: emissary vessels sent to open negotiations were attacked and destroyed the moment they entered geth space."

This kind of goes against what Legion says about the geth being peaceful, and wanting to coexist with organics. Still, it's possible that this isn't meant to be considered canon, or that the book was written before the writers had decided that they didn't want the geth to be villains.

There are also several reasonable explanations that could make the description somewhat true but deceptive if you don't know the context.  For example, the heretic Geth could be the ones doing all the destruction or there could be other reasons for the destruction of those ships (and there may not have been that many ships taking the chance in the first place).  Still, Legion does state that the Geth prefer being left alone so it's possible that they'd have destroyed at least some of the visitors too, odd that they wouldn't give any warning at all though (the first ship could be turned back with a warning and every subsequent one is then destroyed).

I'd say it's likely that they did write this without knowing they were going to have separate Geth factions but it's still possible to tie it into the universe.

[nhsk]

It wont matter untill the epiloque rolls in anyway :-)