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[The dead fish]

V-rex wrote...

I want there to be a major emotional scene where both characters apologize for Horizon.
Because whether you want to believe it or not, everyone was at fault there.

Ashley was too emotional, Shepard not emotional enough. Ashley wasn't prepared to listen, Shepard did an awful job of trying to explain.

Both of them are at fault and both of them need to apologize. Ashley had every right to be confused and upset about everything that happened, just as Shepard had every reason to feel alone and hurt afterwards.
If they can just have a big decent apology and then move on, I'd appreciate it.

That said, I honestly don't think Ashley needs to explain herself or apologize in any way. James Shepard always liked her defiant attitude and wouldn't have her any other way.

This. I feel the same.

[Guitar-Hero]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

100k wrote...

Damn right I am.

[Legion_Geth]

Of course. And emotional it shall be

[Quickstrike]

I'll just put it this way, if I don't get a proper apology the VS will rot on the ship along with Liara for the entire game for every Shepard I play.

[Malanek]

I expect them to testify on your behalf during the trial. Shepard saved half the colony and collectors were indeed using reaper tech etc etc.

[Eshaye]

Sylvianus wrote...

V-rex wrote...

I want there to be a major emotional scene where both characters apologize for Horizon.
Because whether you want to believe it or not, everyone was at fault there.

Ashley was too emotional, Shepard not emotional enough. Ashley wasn't prepared to listen, Shepard did an awful job of trying to explain.

Both of them are at fault and both of them need to apologize. Ashley had every right to be confused and upset about everything that happened, just as Shepard had every reason to feel alone and hurt afterwards.
If they can just have a big decent apology and then move on, I'd appreciate it.

That said, I honestly don't think Ashley needs to explain herself or apologize in any way. James Shepard always liked her defiant attitude and wouldn't have her any other way.

This. I feel the same.

Oh yes exactly! Throughout the whole thing I felt somewhat abused by Kaidan a bit sure, but then I wanted to head desk whenever Shepard opened her mouth. I even reloaded to go through it again with different dialogue option to see if there was anything better then my usual Paragon, but NO. The whole exchange was very unsatisfying. I feel the writers could have spent more time on different interaction based on whether the VS was romanced or not and adjust the exchange appropriately, instead we get a sort of does everything script and it simply did not work. 

We need a resolution in ME3 where both parties get to explain themselves. 

[78stonewobble]

Eshaye wrote...

Oh yes exactly! Throughout the whole thing I felt somewhat abused by Kaidan a bit sure, but then I wanted to head desk whenever Shepard opened her mouth. I even reloaded to go through it again with different dialogue option to see if there was anything better then my usual Paragon, but NO. The whole exchange was very unsatisfying. I feel the writers could have spent more time on different interaction based on whether the VS was romanced or not and adjust the exchange appropriately, instead we get a sort of does everything script and it simply did not work. 

We need a resolution in ME3 where both parties get to explain themselves. 

The thing is ...

Had we been allowed to approach that conversation in a just wee bit adult way there wouldn't have been a lingering confrontation at all...



I'd rather have had the following:

Ashley/Kaidan only sees Shephard on horizon but doesn't meet or talk with him/her.

Both missions are hush hush which explains why Shephard rushes off and why Ashley/Kaidan doesn't take contact to Shephard.

Which leaves Ashley/Kaidan with the following impression:
Shephard is alive and didn't bother contacting me.
Shephard is with CERBERUS of all things!!!!
I DONT GET IT AND FEEL BETRAYED.

Then they send angry, bitter and betrayed mail and/or video clip to cerberus who forwards it to Shephard.

Shephard can't reply since he's still working in secret and saving the galaxy.



It's basically the same thing except we don't get to make non choices in a non conversation.

Which leads to less annoyance for 78stonewobble...

[BBK4114]

I think the scene was written the way it was so players wouldn't feel bad about having a new romance in ME2. Honestly, I think that's all it was...

I expect no apology, nor am I motivated to have my Shep to give an apology for Horizon. But if Kaiden went on ahead with his dating someone else because he "just can't put that aside" after he knows my Shep is alive? Bye bye Kaiden-hello new LI.

[PauseforEffect]

Even though that e-mail left a very bad impression of them trying to pull their tail out of a fire, it was an apology so no, I don't need Kaiden/Ashley to say they're sorry for Horizon.
What I'd like is their help in a fight. Would have been nice to have them there albeit briefly fighting off Collectors on Horizon with Shepard.

[Saberchic]

Some things can't be (and shouldn't be) solved with email. I'd like at least the dialogue option to explore Horizon. I'm not exactly expecting an apology, but an explanation or talk of some sort needs to happen between Shep and the VS.

[Son of Illusive Man]

1. The joining Taliban comparisons are just stupid. Are the Taliban a means to and end? A terrible organization, but one that is saving humanity from a greater threat? Are the Taliban protecting us from alien invasion?

You can't compare a grey area like Cerberus to a terrorist organization like Al Qaeda or the Taliban.

2. I can understand initial shock and not wanting to follow me, but Ashley didn't even allow me to explain. If my friends joined the Taliban, I'd be mad, but my friends have never saved the galaxy from complete destruction before...so what's the comparison here?

I had talked to Anderson, told her I was in a damn coma for the last two years, had Garrus, Tali, Joker, and Chakwas with me, and Cerberus was only a means to an end otherwise blocked off, and she wouldn't even give me the benefit of the doubt. I can totally understand anger. But she crossed the line.

I'm glad my LI was Liara.

3. Shepard's responses were awkward and stupid too.

4. They were too lazy to actually give each character their own personality again (as they had in ME1), so Kaidan ends up looking like a male Ashley, which is just stupid.

[Iakus]

BBK4114 wrote...

I think the scene was written the way it was so players wouldn't feel bad about having a new romance in ME2. Honestly, I think that's all it was...

That is likely the case.  But it was done so badly that honestly I would have preferred no cameo at all to the one we got.  

[Destroy Raiden_]

Horizon was written so badly to me it screamed hate VS so you can get caught in 3 "cheating" on them when they say I moved on. Yet even knowing this I can't stay with Kaiden he called me a traitor and that crossed the line.

[snfonseka]

VS is a Spectre now and in Kaidans' case he is outranking Shepard. Also there is a possibility that your Shepard is not even a Spectre. So in that case VS has the right to not to give apology/ not to explain his actions etc.

[phantomdragoness]

Personally, I don't really blame Kaidan or Ashley for acting the way they did. Doesn't mean my Sheps hurt any less when it happened, but still. One of my Sheps didn't expect Kaidan to wait for her, especially if she was dead, but she allowed herself to hope that he would understand. Instead, he called her a traitor and blamed her for dying pretty much. All throughout ME2, she spent her time getting over him and realizing that he was right - she did change. She wasn't naive anymore like he is (still fairly emotional, though), and she doubts she can feel the same for Kaidan as she once did. Basically, it's water under the bridge after she (and my other Sheps) think about it; she still expects a face-to-face apology (the email was a start, but a true apology needs to happen in person), and the opportunity to smack him for calling her a traitor when she has given everything to the galaxy. He just crossed the line, there. I just hope Kaidan does not come onto the Normandy expecting her to throw her arms around him. Although...that would be very interesting. But that's how I see the entire situation, anyways.

Modifié par phantomdragoness, 21 juin 2011 - 05:52 .

[Eire Icon]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Disagreement doesn't mark immaturity. Immature positions mark immaturity. The difference of opinion is irrelevant.

And who decides what an immature position is?

Dean_the_Young?

Do you want to tell us the definition of irony as well ?

Modifié par Eire Icon, 21 juin 2011 - 04:38 .

[Milana_Saros]

Kaidan sorta apologizes in the email. Can't speak for Ash since I don't play ManSheps. The thing is that the VS wasn't clinically dead for the past 2 years. They dealt with Shepard's death, moved on. Then when the other person is standing right there, right in front of your eyes, damn right emotions are running wild.

I do expect some kind of further "I'm sorry about how I behaved..." speech. But I don't need Kaidan to kiss my feet and cry. In my ideal story, there would be sort of "getting to know each other again" stuff going on...with all the old, deep emotions running wild but at the sime time wondering how much the other person has changed.

If there's just one scene from what happened in Horizon to "getting back together" then it'll be a bit irky and cheesy imho...

[Errol Dnamyx]

My Shepard would be okay, if both decided to just forget the whole thing and pretend it never happened.
Also, I see the mail as some kind of apology and explanation, so there's really no need for anything more.

[Badpie]

I think it should be touched in a "we cool?" "yeah we're cool" sort of way but nothing more than that really. I'd be happy to just forget the whole terribly written scene happened.

[BatmanPWNS]

(If there is an apology)
I'll accept it from Ash and ask for a kiss, only for my new LI (Tali) to walk in and then hell will break loose.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 21 juin 2011 - 09:04 .

[VanTesla]

The Horizon scene was bad and needs some apology...

[Wrathra]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I believe they have nothing to apologize for.

[AdmiralCheez]

They shouldn't have to apologize for feeling hurt when a close friend shows up after being dead for two years only to work with the enemy. I do, however, expect them to feel a little guilty for walking away without giving Shepard a chance, regardless of whether they say anything about it. I know I would.

[CroGamer002]

Shepard should apologize for Horizon.


Wait, I already said that.