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[turian councilor Knockout]

Not exactly, i just want to screw them over to the reapers.

[mopotter]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

No, but, I will hopefully be given an apology for having the emotional range of a raisin.

 

I think BW problem, not theirs, but I also hope for some emotion in our first meeting and a chance to talk about their reaction on Horizon.  

And I hope they don't make Ash and Kaidan  clones.  They had different emotions and development in ME1, ME2 it was like put in he image and keep the conversation the same, with emphasis on Ash's style.  I really hope they change that in ME3.

[skcih-deraj]

Oh I dunno, when you mean reason do mean like one in which Shep comes back from th dead, doesn't even bother to let Kaiden/Ashley know thry're alive and working with a terrorist organization ? The same organization that in ME1 turned an entire colony into husks, killed an admiral and experimented on rachni?

Those sound like reason enough for their reaction. Unless there is some self entitlement cluase that said a character (LI or not) is never suposed to question your actions?

[alperez]

Seriously people want an apology because a person didn't just forget about their own beliefs and feelings and accept Shepard was right even though at no point does Shepard attempt to convince them.

As bad as horizon was handled it was more Shepard that was at fault than anything the VS. did or said, they at least stayed somewhat in character, Shepard instead turned into a complete plank.

Don't try and sympathise with why someone may be upset or angry, don't offer a reasonable explanation to why you did what you did and expect that person to just blindly follow and accept your right and they're wrong, try that in real life and see how far it gets you.

If Shepards responses actually explained things correctly, if you could have chosen things that actually made your point and then the VS. still refused to accept your pov then fine, i could get on board with them needing to apolgise. But thats not the way things play out on horizon and still the VS. (if romanced) apolgises for how they handled the encounter.

You lose someone you care about, you think they've died only to find out that 2 years later they're alive and are now working for people who 2 years previously they accepted were terrorists and they offer the worst explanations for all of this ever. But your wrong because you didn't just forget your feelings, not bother to question why they're doing what they're doing and blindly follow them.

Personally if they make the VS apolgise again i'd be annoyed.

[Collider]

It's not that they question you and don't join you.
It's HOW they do it. Shepard is called a traitor to the Alliance.

[AngelicMachinery]

Collider wrote...

It's not that they question you and don't join you.
It's HOW they do it. Shepard is called a traitor to the Alliance.

Technically Shepard is, sure, it's for a good cause... but she's still a deserter/traitor.

[skcih-deraj]

Collider wrote...

It's not that they question you and don't join you.
It's HOW they do it. Shepard is called a traitor to the Alliance.

Well... is the murder of an Alliance Admiral, the turning of an entire colony into husks and the illigal experimination of rachni and the teaming with the organization responsible for those actions not a traitorous act?

How are they supposed to go about confronting you about it? With kid gloves and cookies? I'd be suprised if they didn't call Shepard out.  

[Oblivious]

skcih-deraj wrote...

Those sound like reason enough for their reaction. Unless there is some self entitlement cluase that said a character (LI or not) is never suposed to question your actions?

Actually there is. If any videogame character questions your flaws and stupidity for even a second then they deserve to die. Look at all the hate for Bastila, Morrigan, Ashley, and Miranda on these forums. If you do something in KOTOR which causes the deaths of countless innocents for no reason than it was fun then Bastila better not say a word or she's going right out the airlock! If you do something that sends your squadmates to their death in ME2 then Miranda better keep her mouth shut and watch it happen or she's going out the airlock! If Shepard blows up a childrens hospital full of orphans their teammates better encourage him/her or else they're going right out the airlock!

Honestly, these forums attract some of the most pathetic egomaniacs sometimes<_<

[Mystik]

hey I tried to tell them I wasn't really working for Cerberus. even Renegade I take all the anti Cerberus options. they should know I wouldn't help Cerberus.

[Oblivious]

Collider wrote...

It's not that they question you and don't join you.
It's HOW they do it. Shepard is called a traitor to the Alliance.

As far as the Alliance is concerned Shepard faked his/her death and joined a criminal organization. If a Navy officer faked his death and showed up 2 years later in the Taliban I don't give a damn what his reasons are, he's a traitor to his country and his friends.

[Cutlass Jack]

Oblivious wrote...

Actually there is. If any videogame character questions your flaws and stupidity for even a second then they deserve to die. Look at all the hate for Bastila, Morrigan, Ashley, and Miranda on these forums. If you do something in KOTOR which causes the deaths of countless innocents for no reason than it was fun then Bastila better not say a word or she's going right out the airlock! If you do something that sends your squadmates to their death in ME2 then Miranda better keep her mouth shut and watch it happen or she's going out the airlock! If Shepard blows up a childrens hospital full of orphans their teammates better encourage him/her or else they're going right out the airlock!

Yeah nothing says you're working 'anti-alien terrorist organization bent on evil' like rescuing a human colony with your two alien friends. Nevermind the fact you were in contact with both Anderson and Hackett prior.

Yet all your non-human friends trust you implicitly and are glad to see you. Go figure.

Questioning your actions is fine. But there was no questioning. Only hostile overreaction.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 17 juin 2011 - 05:07 .

[Collider]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's not that they question you and don't join you.
It's HOW they do it. Shepard is called a traitor to the Alliance.

Technically Shepard is, sure, it's for a good cause... but she's still a deserter/traitor.

Shepard didn't desert. She died.

[AngelicMachinery]

Collider wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's not that they question you and don't join you.
It's HOW they do it. Shepard is called a traitor to the Alliance.

Technically Shepard is, sure, it's for a good cause... but she's still a deserter/traitor.

Shepard didn't desert. She died.

Yea,  try explaining that one to the higher ups.

Shepard:   I died!
Alliance:    ....
Shepard:  I GOT BETTER!

You have to stop looking at everything through Shepards eyes,  and start seeing that other characters/groups/etc don't know the full story and will act accordingly.

[Eurhetemec]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Yeah nothing says you're working 'anti-alien terrorist organization bent on evil' like rescuing a human colony with your two alien friends. Nevermind the fact you were in contact with both Anderson and Hackett prior.

Yet all your non-human friends trust you implicitly and are glad to see you. Go figure.

Questioning your actions is fine. But there was no questioning. Only hostile overreaction.

Exactly. I always found it hilarious that I'm standing there with Garrus (who Ash knows!) and Grunt, and she's chewing me out for working with these alien-hating psychos, and I just saved the colony! Like, take a step back girl! As you say, it is particularly weird given none of your alien buddies ever says "You're a pro-human jerk, Shepard!", even if you are!

I don't need an apology, personally (as noted, we kind of get one), but I would like a bit of an explanation. That was just weird.

[Cutlass Jack]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Shepard:   I died!
Alliance:    ....
Shepard:  I GOT BETTER!

You have to stop looking at everything through Shepards eyes,  and start seeing that other characters/groups/etc don't know the full story and will act accordingly.

Did you visit the higher ups (i.e. Anderson) prior to Horizon? I know it was the first thing I did.

[skcih-deraj]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Oblivious wrote...

Actually there is. If any videogame character questions your flaws and stupidity for even a second then they deserve to die. Look at all the hate for Bastila, Morrigan, Ashley, and Miranda on these forums. If you do something in KOTOR which causes the deaths of countless innocents for no reason than it was fun then Bastila better not say a word or she's going right out the airlock! If you do something that sends your squadmates to their death in ME2 then Miranda better keep her mouth shut and watch it happen or she's going out the airlock! If Shepard blows up a childrens hospital full of orphans their teammates better encourage him/her or else they're going right out the airlock!

Yeah nothing says you're working 'anti-alien terrorist organization bent on evil' like rescuing a human colony with your two alien friends. Nevermind the fact you were in contact with both Anderson and Hackett prior.

Yet all your non-human friends trust you implicitly and are glad to see you. Go figure.

Questioning your actions is fine. But there was no questioning. Only hostile overreaction.

Alien team mates or no you are still working for a pro-human agenda (hey could that be why they save a human colony?) terrorist organization. Now how do they react to that? In the first game your fighting against them. Your other ME1 squade mates (Garrus and Tali) even question it when they get on the ship. Tali does so on two occasions! When you meet her on Freedoms progress and when she gets back on the Normandy. Again if you save the collector base and she survives the mission. (So three times if you're keeping count)

But no hate for them right? Tali and Garrus are just a little nicer about your affiliation becuase you either saved them or saved them twice and got them safely on the ship and they had nothing else to do, but help Shepard.

[SilentK]

Hmm.... I don't think my FemShep's need an apology... but talking it over would be very good. I always dislike "how you doing"-way of first greeting Kaidan. I write if of as her having a brain-freeze and hope that they will sort it out in ME3.

[tsunderes]

I sure am. I feel that Ashley's email is a much better apology than Kaidans where he goes on about trying to move on from Shepard and believes her a betrayer without even hearing her side of things. After all they've been through, come on. Considering my femshep stayed faithful to him, dude better beg, or at least buy flowers and dinner.

[Funkcase]

Are you serious? Shepard needs to apologise just as much! Last I checked Ash/Kaidan were right about Cerberus being bad.

Modifié par Funkcase, 17 juin 2011 - 05:21 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Shepard:   I died!
Alliance:    ....
Shepard:  I GOT BETTER!

You have to stop looking at everything through Shepards eyes,  and start seeing that other characters/groups/etc don't know the full story and will act accordingly.

Did you visit the higher ups (i.e. Anderson) prior to Horizon? I know it was the first thing I did.

You didn't return to alliance service,  you rode off on the normandy to fight the collectors.  The reasoning is good,   but,  you still left your post.  You can paint it up however you want you still left the service to work with people perceived to be terrorists.

[Collider]

@Angel: You didn't specify that you meant through Ashley/Kaidan eyes.
The fact that Ashley/Kaidan didn't know the full story is exactly why they shouldn't have been so quick to condemn Shepard.

I don't have a problem with Ashley/Kaidan getting snippy if you choose dialog options where Shepard paints the Alliance as blind or insults the VS. But you don't have to do so.

Frankly, I never thought Kaidan's reaction was in character anyway. He isn't rash and he doesn't jump to conclusions. This was really the whole point of his character in ME1 - to be a foil for the hothead Ashley who is very quick to condemn and judge.

I can't say I'm surprised that they turned Kaidan into Ashley in ME2 (considering that Bioware seems to care about Ashley in general more), but I still dislike it.

Modifié par Collider, 17 juin 2011 - 05:22 .

[MyOpinionSucks]

skcih-deraj wrote...

Oh I dunno, when you mean reason do mean like one in which Shep comes back from th dead, doesn't even bother to let Kaiden/Ashley know thry're alive and working with a terrorist organization ? The same organization that in ME1 turned an entire colony into husks, killed an admiral and experimented on rachni?

Speak for yourself. The first thing I did after getting the Normandy was go meet with Anderson, report to the council (who started talking about capital punishment), and ask after Ashley. Anderson, by the way, told me she was on a secret classified mission and very politely asked me to sod off. So I have the not contacting her thing covered.

And while I stood there with Garrus and Mordin after saving her life from the very clear and obvious threat of the Collectors (who were using husks, by the way, which was tangible evidence that they were working for the Reapers) and calmly explained that I didn't take orders from Cerberus and was only accepting their help because nobody else was doing anything, yeah I did get a little miffed when she flew off the handle and called me a traitor. And, frankly, an email isn't enough to make up for that.

So, yeah, an admission that she was wrong would be welcome. I don't want it to become a whole big thing because to be honest it's trivial in context, really, but she's got some work to do if she wants to get back in my good books. 

[sponge56]

Oblivious wrote...

Collider wrote...

It's not that they question you and don't join you.
It's HOW they do it. Shepard is called a traitor to the Alliance.

As far as the Alliance is concerned Shepard faked his/her death and joined a criminal organization. If a Navy officer faked his death and showed up 2 years later in the Taliban I don't give a damn what his reasons are, he's a traitor to his country and his friends.

How fantasticaly close minded

[Cutlass Jack]

skcih-deraj wrote...

Alien team mates or no you are still working for a pro-human agenda (hey could that be why they save a human colony?) terrorist organization. Now how do they react to that? In the first game your fighting against them. Your other ME1 squade mates (Garrus and Tali) even question it when they get on the ship. Tali does so on two occasions! When you meet her on Freedoms progress and when she gets back on the Normandy. Again if you save the collector base and she survives the mission. (So three times if you're keeping count)

But no hate for them right? Tali and Garrus are just a little nicer about your affiliation becuase you either saved them or saved them twice and got them safely on the ship and they had nothing else to do, but help Shepard.

Did I show up wearing a Cerberus T-shirt or did I show up with a trusted companion like Garrus? Don't you think that's worth at least a small question or two before jumping to conclusions?

And yes, Tali and Garrus did ask questions. That's my exact point. They also gave me the benefit of the doubt and came along to watch my back. Which is precisely the reason I wanted them to come along. To have people with me I could trust. And you have to admit Tali had much greater reason to mistrust the whole Cerberus thing than the VS did.