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[Sister Helen]

Though, to be fair, if the VS honestly thought that Shep had been brainwashed or manipulated into joining a terrorist organization, wouldn't the VS at least ATTEMPT to drag Shep back to the Citadel for deprogramming?  Or at TRY verbally to convince Shep to go to Captain Anderson to make a report?  Instead, the VS stalked off, stage left, in a snit.

To put it another way, would you leave a friend who you felt was not completely in their right mind (for whatever reason) with the people who had abused him and would probably abuse him more?  Wouldn't you try to get him to leave with you?  (You don't leave a drunk buddy behind in a bar.  You pack him up in a cab and take him to his home.)

So, for me, the VS pretty much dropped the ball on that friendship. 

Modifié par Sister Helen, 17 juin 2011 - 10:52 .

[Ottemis]

Sylvianus wrote...
But apologize for its behavior doesn't mean you got wrong.

Kai not trusting me impacts our relationship negatively from my end aka I got wronged.

 Shepard joined Cerberus before consulting with the Alliance and the Council to which he pledged loyalty. Shepard didn't contact her lover to warn that he was alive. Unforgivable for me in a true relation. 

Relationship wise he can hate my guts for not contacting him, I could argue why it didn't happen to make it viable, but why bother, facts are didn't happen. So yeah, he can be pissed, sure. That can defo impact the relationship negatively from his end.

He believed a terrorist at his word without first trying to try with the authorities. It makes no sense first and it's treason.

You wake up, get shot at, get taken to TiM in a shuttle. Shep was then told something by TiM, which you can actually conversationally say not to believe, after which TiM sends you to Freedom's Progress and you get proof. That's where it all begins, arguably also in the convo info you get from Jacob and Miri. TiM is convinced of the Reaper-threat, Shep is convinced of the Reaper threat, the council wasen't.
From what Shep got on Freedom's Progress this was an ongoing IMMEDIATE threat to human colonies, and while yes, it would have been smart to have gone visit the council before being asked to do so, I can understand why she didn't first off the bat. It wasen't about cerb, it was about shep prioritizing the need to take action immediately to save lives.
You were a spectre, your judgement was trusted enough to be given free reign before.

Shepard sees his/her love and ​​behave as if they had left only for several hours.

Well in a way she did. Make that a few very busy weeks, still. The concept of 2 years passing for everyone else while time stoold still for you, hard one really.

Don't you believe he is responsible for all of this ? He has something to be ashamed and that their anger is justified ?

In light of your previous questions, I don't quite follow. Can you be more specific?
EDIT:
Ohh I get it nevermind, the 'he' threw me off.
I still think Kai has something to be ashamed of, Shep is a victim of dire circumstance.
Wakes up, finds out 2 years have passed, finds out Cerb brought her back, find out said reason, finds proof for said reason. Finds that proof compelling and urgent enough to pursue it. What would she have said to Kai. 
"Hey, I'm alive.. But saving the galaxy again, too busy to talk, catch you later"
Personally I can't blame her not having tried. Would have if things weren't so hectic.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 juin 2011 - 11:13 .

[ladyvader]

ashlover


did ash jump the gun a little and say some hurtful things,yea....did she apologize afterward yes to that to if you didnt like it thats your thing.
bioware is the one who decided to make a crap fest out of horizon.

I'm not so sure BioWare made it a crap fest.  It may have been written that way for a reason.  We don't know how it is going to play out.  So, why don't we just wait until March to see.  If it still seems like a crap fest then let the complaining begin.  

With that, I have one Shepard that stayed faithful to Ash, but I doubt I create another Shepard to stay faithful to Kaidan or replay that Shepard that romanced him. 

[Dazaster Dellus]

OMG! Seriously people! All these people saying that Shepard performed traitorous acts and so on....Please...just stop. lol! I am pretty sure his service contract ended once he died and they (The Alliance) left his body wherever it lie. They didn't even bother looking for the man. And don't give me that, they couldn't find him and they thought he was dead crap. The Alliance's greatest hero and they can't locate his body for a proper recovery. Let's be real. The moon that you landed on was littered with Normandy's guts and your old helmet(somehow). The site wasn't cleaned up or searched by the Alliance at all. They didn't even bother. And whose job was it to notify the Alliance of the dog tags and to build the memorial? That's right! The newly back to life Shepard. SMH! So spare me the loyalty thing. I would hear out a company that actually acquired my body, brought me back to life, gave me a new and better ship, told me of a new threat that the Alliance & Council weren't trying to fix(go fig), and brought back half my crew. The least I could do.

Also Shep is still working with the Alliance and Anderson, So he really isn't a traitor.

Lastly, What did you actually expect Shepard to do? He was just revived, barely weapons and armor, no ship, alone, no idea where he was, no money, no means of communication, didn't even know the date, and he is getting attacked right off the bat. Then he gets told that colonies are getting attcked and gets tossed into battle after battle, surrounded by people he didn't trust. No way of knowing where or how to contact any of his teammates. Only an overwhelming desire to stop colonies from being abducted since Alliance is sitting on their asses. Sorry, I didn't call you right after I got off the table Ash/Kai! Oh and when I finally do find out where everyone is and a way to get to the Citadel all I get is bashed by someone I love(VS) and a cold shoulder from the very same politicians(Anderson, Council, Udina) and United Forces I pretty much single handedly saved 2 years prior. Come to think of it, I am suprised Shep didn't become an actual traitor.

[sevach]

I only have one certainty, first time Ash opens her mouth, apology or not, i'm telling her to shove it.

[Dazaster Dellus]

Sister Helen wrote...

Though, to be fair, if the VS honestly thought that Shep had been brainwashed or manipulated into joining a terrorist organization, wouldn't the VS at least ATTEMPT to drag Shep back to the Citadel for deprogramming?  Or at TRY verbally to convince Shep to go to Captain Anderson to make a report?  Instead, the VS stalked off, stage left, in a snit.

To put it another way, would you leave a friend who you felt was not completely in their right mind (for whatever reason) with the people who had abused him and would probably abuse him more?  Wouldn't you try to get him to leave with you?  (You don't leave a drunk buddy behind in a bar.  You pack him up in a cab and take him to his home.)

So, for me, the VS pretty much dropped the ball on that friendship. 

I agree!

[ashlover mark 2]

Sister Helen wrote...

Though, to be fair, if the VS honestly thought that Shep had been brainwashed or manipulated into joining a terrorist organization, wouldn't the VS at least ATTEMPT to drag Shep back to the Citadel for deprogramming?  Or at TRY verbally to convince Shep to go to Captain Anderson to make a report?  Instead, the VS stalked off, stage left, in a snit.

To put it another way, would you leave a friend who you felt was not completely in their right mind (for whatever reason) with the people who had abused him and would probably abuse him more?  Wouldn't you try to get him to leave with you?  (You don't leave a drunk buddy behind in a bar.  You pack him up in a cab and take him to his home.)

So, for me, the VS pretty much dropped the ball on that friendship. 

you make a great point here have no counter point,all i can do is chalk it up to writing.bioware obviously wanted to sideline ash and kai if mass effect were real life instead of agame that had to follow a specfic story i think horizon would have turned out a great deal diffrent.

[Dazaster Dellus]

Ottemis wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
But apologize for its behavior doesn't mean you got wrong.

Kai not trusting me impacts our relationship negatively from my end aka I got wronged.

 Shepard joined Cerberus before consulting with the Alliance and the Council to which he pledged loyalty. Shepard didn't contact her lover to warn that he was alive. Unforgivable for me in a true relation. 

Relationship wise he can hate my guts for not contacting him, I could argue why it didn't happen to make it viable, but why bother, facts are didn't happen. So yeah, he can be pissed, sure. That can defo impact the relationship negatively from his end.

He believed a terrorist at his word without first trying to try with the authorities. It makes no sense first and it's treason.

You wake up, get shot at, get taken to TiM in a shuttle. Shep was then told something by TiM, which you can actually conversationally say not to believe, after which TiM sends you to Freedom's Progress and you get proof. That's where it all begins, arguably also in the convo info you get from Jacob and Miri. TiM is convinced of the Reaper-threat, Shep is convinced of the Reaper threat, the council wasen't.
From what Shep got on Freedom's Progress this was an ongoing IMMEDIATE threat to human colonies, and while yes, it would have been smart to have gone visit the council before being asked to do so, I can understand why she didn't first off the bat. It wasen't about cerb, it was about shep prioritizing the need to take action immediately to spare lives.
You were a spectre, your judgement was trusted enough to be given free reign before.

Shepard sees his/her love and ​​behave as if they had left only for several hours.

Well in a way she did. Make that a few very busy weeks, still. The concept of 2 years passing for everyone else while time stoold still for you, hard one really.

Don't you believe he is responsible for all of this ? He has something to be ashamed and that their anger is justified ?

In light of your previous questions, I don't quite follow. Can you be more specific?

Good Post!

[DoNotIngest]

I better get a damn good apology, and a free pass to turn Kaidan's face purple. If he doesn't fall on his face and grovel, it'll be very annoying trying to come up with a nickname for him. I mean, nuked Ashley = Ash, great, but Kaidan's about as easy to work with as Napolean.

[jeweledleah]

Dazaster Dellus - I guess you miss the little fact of TIM systematically undermining Shepard's standing with all those proper authorities before Shep was even awake, sending out rumors about Shepard, giving him a ship with a freaking giant Cerberus Logo on it and operatives who don't even bother switching out their uniforms. I'm astounded that Shepard wasn't arrested on sight when he/she showed up on the Citadel.

as for dropping relationship ball - I love how all the blame is on VS. if you were such a good friend, you would have tried to stop them would have tried to explain. instead of getting all defensive about Cerberus (because this is how even paragon shepard gets) and expecting them to just trust you despite all the evidence. Shepard is just as responsible as VS for that snafu. and TIM even admits to having his paws all over that setup.  most properly - blaim Bioware for that setup...or wait to see exactly why they set it up that way and whether it had some purpose beyond - we want you to move on and try out new LI's now.

P.S. I'd like to see Ash/Kaidan try to drag Shepard and 2 heavily armed sidekicks, with what... bare arms? yeah....

Modifié par jeweledleah, 17 juin 2011 - 11:07 .

[AngelicMachinery]

jeweledleah wrote...

Dazaster Dellus - I guess you miss the little fact of TIM systematically undermining Shepard's standing with all those proper authorities before Shep was even awake, sending out rumors about Shepard, giving him a ship with a freaking giant Cerberus Logo on it and operatives who don't even bother switching out their uniforms. I'm astounded that Shepard wasn't arrested on sight when he/she showed up on the Citadel.

as for dropping relationship ball - I love how all the blame is on VS. if you were such a good friend, you would have tried to stop them would have tried to explain. instead of getting all defensive about Cerberus (because this is how even paragon shepard gets) and expecting them to just trust you despite all the evidence. Shepard is just as responsible as VS for that snafu. and TIM even admits to having his paws all over that setup.  most properly - blaim Bioware for that setup...or wait to see exactly why they set it up that way and whether it had some purpose beyond - we want you to move on and try out new LI's now.

P.S. I'd like to see Ash/Kaidan try to drag Shepard and 2 heavily armed sidekicks, with what... bare arms? yeah....

Shepard is gawd,  you don't question gawd does ya?

[Dazaster Dellus]

jeweledleah wrote...

Dazaster Dellus - I guess you miss the little fact of TIM systematically undermining Shepard's standing with all those proper authorities before Shep was even awake, sending out rumors about Shepard, giving him a ship with a freaking giant Cerberus Logo on it and operatives who don't even bother switching out their uniforms. I'm astounded that Shepard wasn't arrested on sight when he/she showed up on the Citadel.

as for dropping relationship ball - I love how all the blame is on VS. if you were such a good friend, you would have tried to stop them would have tried to explain. instead of getting all defensive about Cerberus (because this is how even paragon shepard gets) and expecting them to just trust you despite all the evidence. Shepard is just as responsible as VS for that snafu. and TIM even admits to having his paws all over that setup.  most properly - blaim Bioware for that setup...or wait to see exactly why they set it up that way and whether it had some purpose beyond - we want you to move on and try out new LI's now.

P.S. I'd like to see Ash/Kaidan try to drag Shepard and 2 heavily armed sidekicks, with what... bare arms? yeah....

Oh no! I didn't forget that at all. Still doesn't change anything though.

I will agree that it was a poor setup on Biowares behalf. But this isn't about them or the writing. This is about what actually happened in the game we were given. While I can admit that Sheps responses weren't  the best I can alo say that he/she didn't deserve to be reamed out like that without any hesitation. That is what the topic is about. The VS behavior on Horizon and if they should Apologize.

[ashlover mark 2]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

OMG! Seriously people! All these people saying that Shepard performed traitorous acts and so on....Please...just stop. lol! I am pretty sure his service contract ended once he died and they (The Alliance) left his body wherever it lie. They didn't even bother looking for the man. And don't give me that, they couldn't find him and they thought he was dead crap. The Alliance's greatest hero and they can't locate his body for a proper recovery. Let's be real. The moon that you landed on was littered with Normandy's guts and your old helmet(somehow). The site wasn't cleaned up or searched by the Alliance at all. They didn't even bother. And whose job was it to notify the Alliance of the dog tags and to build the memorial? That's right! The newly back to life Shepard. SMH! So spare me the loyalty thing. I would hear out a company that actually acquired my body, brought me back to life, gave me a new and better ship, told me of a new threat that the Alliance & Council weren't trying to fix(go fig), and brought back half my crew. The least I could do.

Also Shep is still working with the Alliance and Anderson, So he really isn't a traitor.

Lastly, What did you actually expect Shepard to do? He was just revived, barely weapons and armor, no ship, alone, no idea where he was, no money, no means of communication, didn't even know the date, and he is getting attacked right off the bat. Then he gets told that colonies are getting attcked and gets tossed into battle after battle, surrounded by people he didn't trust. No way of knowing where or how to contact any of his teammates. Only an overwhelming desire to stop colonies from being abducted since Alliance is sitting on their asses. Sorry, I didn't call you right after I got off the table Ash/Kai! Oh and when I finally do find out where everyone is and a way to get to the Citadel all I get is bashed by someone I love(VS) and a cold shoulder from the very same politicians(Anderson, Council, Udina) and United Forces I pretty much single handedly saved 2 years prior. Come to think of it, I am suprised Shep didn't become an actual traitor.

its funny how ppl can forget that cerberus is abunch of butchers and maniacs all beacuse TIM says nice things to you and gives you a shiney new ship.forgive me if i dont bow to a group of ppl that ressurected me but 2 years ago were the ones trying to put me in the dirt in the first place.

ash and kai were angry for many reasons all of wich were explained here by many ppl.things were said, she apologized again if you dont like the apology thats your problem.in relationships with ppl arguments happen sometimes hurtful things are said but if you really care about the person you try to find away past them.but this is just a game if you feel the need to kill or whatever you decided to do with her charecter in ME3 beacuse something she said in ME2 fine go ahead and knock yourself out,i could care less.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 17 juin 2011 - 11:26 .

[jeweledleah]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Dazaster Dellus - I guess you miss the little fact of TIM systematically undermining Shepard's standing with all those proper authorities before Shep was even awake, sending out rumors about Shepard, giving him a ship with a freaking giant Cerberus Logo on it and operatives who don't even bother switching out their uniforms. I'm astounded that Shepard wasn't arrested on sight when he/she showed up on the Citadel.

as for dropping relationship ball - I love how all the blame is on VS. if you were such a good friend, you would have tried to stop them would have tried to explain. instead of getting all defensive about Cerberus (because this is how even paragon shepard gets) and expecting them to just trust you despite all the evidence. Shepard is just as responsible as VS for that snafu. and TIM even admits to having his paws all over that setup.  most properly - blaim Bioware for that setup...or wait to see exactly why they set it up that way and whether it had some purpose beyond - we want you to move on and try out new LI's now.

P.S. I'd like to see Ash/Kaidan try to drag Shepard and 2 heavily armed sidekicks, with what... bare arms? yeah....

Oh no! I didn't forget that at all. Still doesn't change anything though.

I will agree that it was a poor setup on Biowares behalf. But this isn't about them or the writing. This is about what actually happened in the game we were given. While I can admit that Sheps responses weren't  the best I can alo say that he/she didn't deserve to be reamed out like that without any hesitation. That is what the topic is about. The VS behavior on Horizon and if they should Apologize.

and given in game evidence?  I say Shepard desered every word.  seriously, you might not know what's going on at first, but the more you work for TIM, the more you find out just how far his lettle setup goes, just how much he's willing to manipulate you, just how much of a ruthless liar he is.

Horizon set up was just too convenient.  the same collector ship chasing shepard for 2 years.  that same collector ship ending up as a trap for Shepard, trap he barely manages to escape.  Cerberus' history of trying to use aliens for their own means comes into play as well.  Writing was bad.  that writing deserves some air clearing.  apologies though.  no.  no way.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 17 juin 2011 - 11:21 .

[Ottemis]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...its funny how ppl can forget that cerberus is abunch of butchers and maniacs all beacuse TIM says nice things to you and gives you a shiney new ship.

I don't know, but I never forgot that personally. I 'roll' with it, because the lives of all those people are classed way above caring who bought my amunition. I'm still the one pulling the damn trigger.

ash and kai were angry for many reasons all of wich were explained here by many ppl.things were said, she apologized again if you dont like the apology thats your problem.in relationships with ppl arguments happen sometimes hurtful things are said but if you really care about the person you try to find away past them.

Not always, that'd make for some crappy relationships, not all wrongs can nor should be talked out or forgiven.
That isn't about caring for someone, it's about lines that shouldn't be crossed that are there to protect ourselves.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 juin 2011 - 11:24 .

[Sylvianus]

Ottemis wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
But apologize for its behavior doesn't mean you got wrong.

Kai not trusting me impacts our relationship negatively from my end aka I got wronged.

 Shepard joined Cerberus before consulting with the Alliance and the Council to which he pledged loyalty. Shepard didn't contact her lover to warn that he was alive. Unforgivable for me in a true relation. 

Relationship wise he can hate my guts for not contacting him, I could argue why it didn't happen to make it viable, but why bother, facts are didn't happen. So yeah, he can be pissed, sure. That can defo impact the relationship negatively from his end.

He believed a terrorist at his word without first trying to try with the authorities. It makes no sense first and it's treason.

You wake up, get shot at, get taken to TiM in a shuttle. Shep was then told something by TiM, which you can actually conversationally say not to believe, after which TiM sends you to Freedom's Progress and you get proof. That's where it all begins, arguably also in the convo info you get from Jacob and Miri. TiM is convinced of the Reaper-threat, Shep is convinced of the Reaper threat, the council wasen't.
From what Shep got on Freedom's Progress this was an ongoing IMMEDIATE threat to human colonies, and while yes, it would have been smart to have gone visit the council before being asked to do so, I can understand why she didn't first off the bat. It wasen't about cerb, it was about shep prioritizing the need to take action immediately to spare lives.
You were a spectre, your judgement was trusted enough to be given free reign before.

Shepard sees his/her love and ​​behave as if they had left only for several hours.

Well in a way she did. Make that a few very busy weeks, still. The concept of 2 years passing for everyone else while time stoold still for you, hard one really.

Don't you believe he is responsible for all of this ? He has something to be ashamed and that their anger is justified ?

In light of your previous questions, I don't quite follow. Can you be more specific?
EDIT:
Ohh I get it nevermind, the 'he' threw me off.
I still think Kai has something to be ashamed of, Shep is a victim of dire circumstance.
Wakes up, finds out 2 years have passed, finds out Cerb brought her back, find out said reason, finds proof for said reason. Finds that proof compelling and urgent enough to pursue it. What would she have said to Kai. 
"Hey, I'm alive.. But saving the galaxy again, too busy to talk, catch you later"
Personally I can't blame her not having tried. Would have if things weren't so hectic.

Not Trusting you or your Judgement, ? Because it is not the same. The disagreement is allowed in an adult relashionship. If he says the same thing that Ashley, he says he has faith in you but not Cerberus. And he worries that you have a biased point of view because they  saved your life.

He may be wrong, but it isn't distrust toward you

Shepard has seen anything done by Cerberus in M1. Never an American patriot would work with al Qaeda, if America was threatened without first trying to convince authorities of his country.

. Shepard joined a terrorist ship, knows it is financed by a terrorist network, and tries to stop collectors with  terrorists. Agreeing to be with them without having first tried the official way is for me crazy enought. Even a priority can't make sense of it.

He is based solely on the words of TIM, who said that the alliance will not act.

I would understand only after he was initially rejected by the Alliance. And even if so actually , the fact is that he first joined Cerberus voluntarily and without asking any question. It's his fault that everyone is suspicious now.

Shepard is responsible for the situation with the Alliance and the Vs, not guilty however. He should first made contact with them.

He met how ? Only by chance. The mission will last several months. It would take a long time before he decides to call them.

Shepard would not have to worry about a lack of confidence in his judgments of his friends if he had contacted them.

Cerberus is the enemy of the Alliance, so they are much more suspicious than any others.

Tali would never have joined Shepard if he had a Geth crew , works for Geth, ect,  the enemy of quarians. Yes there is Legion, but he joined the mission AFTER that Tali become a squadmate.

Otherwise I agree with your Edit. That's why I understand the tow point of view. Shepard and the Vs are in the same time both victims and responsible of this confusion and this situation. But for me, not only the VS. There is too elements imo.

[ashlover mark 2]

Ottemis wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...
ash and kai were angry for many reasons all of wich were explained here by many ppl.things were said, she apologized again if you dont like the apology thats your problem.in relationships with ppl arguments happen sometimes hurtful things are said but if you really care about the person you try to find away past them.

Not always, that'd make for some crappy relationships, not all wrongs can nor should be talked out or forgiven.
That isn't about caring for someone, it's about lines that shouldn't be crossed that are there to protect ourselves.

yea,but all she did was call shep a traitor and leave,then she apologized later.

shep wasnt exactly the most romantic and loveing person either.i mean ash tells him she was in love with him and he dosnt even acknlodge what she said.

if thats enough for you to break things off then its cool with me,do whats best for you.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 17 juin 2011 - 11:30 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

its funny how ppl can forget that cerberus is abunch of butchers and maniacs all beacuse TIM says nice things to you and gives you a shiney new ship.forgive me if i dont bow to a group of ppl that ressurected me but 2 years ago were the ones trying to put me in the dirt in the first place.

ash and kai were angry for many reasons all of wich were explained here by many ppl.things were said, she apologized again if you dont like the apology thats your problem.in relationships with ppl arguments happen sometimes hurtful things are said but if you really care about the person you try to find away past them.but this is just a game if you feel the need to kill ashley in ME3 beacuse something she said in ME2 fine go ahead and knock yourself out,i could care less.

No one forgot anything. There are plenty of analogies and famous sayings I could use that support the logic but it is a moot point.

No one said anything about killing them so spare me the melodrama. Why you somehow felt the need to state that you could care less if I did is irrelevant as I could care less if you care or not.  The thread asks if there should be an apology and I said yes. The end.

[Ottemis]

@Sylvianus
Shepard owes them more then what was possible to give them with everything going on imho.Not much use contacting people when you don't have the time to actually follow it up with something meaningful. Can't give them the time nor attention they deserve. Plus, think of how Shep might have felt.. time stoold still for him/her, the rest moved on for 2 years. How big is the risk of disappointment when contacting any of them? Maybe Shep is the one that needs that time with people, not just the other way around. Maybe Shep's afraid to find out nobody missed them, they all moved on.

You can stop Tali from shooting Legion after recruiting him. Says something I think.

As I've stated, the VS has reason to be upset yes, and both parties did things wrong in a way that can be argued against. Still, the wrongs, before being discussed with the VS once again, can still provoke a certain reaction in you and some of us have a very strong opinion on that.We're all different in the end, but that was the idea behind the topic no doubt =).

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 juin 2011 - 11:38 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

jeweledleah wrote...


and given in game evidence?  I say Shepard desered every word.  seriously, you might not know what's going on at first, but the more you work for TIM, the more you find out just how far his lettle setup goes, just how much he's willing to manipulate you, just how much of a ruthless liar he is.

Horizon set up was just too convenient.  the same collector ship chasing shepard for 2 years.  that same collector ship ending up as a trap for Shepard, trap he barely manages to escape.  Cerberus' history of trying to use aliens for their own means comes into play as well.  Writing was bad.  that writing deserves some air clearing.  apologies though.  no.  no way.

Again, we can play "would have", "should have", "could have" and "what if" all day. The storyline would have to be completely changed though. Also, Shep knew  that Cerberus was dirty. He just used a means to justify an end. As opposed to what could have been the opposite. He goes back to the Alliance and they lock down his ship and confine him to the Citadel again. Hmm that sounds familiar! But I digress.....again. Now I am going back into the what if scenarios. lol

[EliDL]

Dialogue was restricted and it's just a two sided misunderstanding between shep and Kaidan/Ashley. Neither Kaidan/Ashley nor shep said anything that would warrant a reason not to try and continue the relationship I think.

I'd like to have the option for shepard to give a better explanation on things and for Kaidan/Ashley to
be able to do the same so that the relationship is mended and can continue in a respectable and adult fashion.

Modifié par EliDL, 17 juin 2011 - 11:40 .

[Ottemis]

I don't know about you guys, but seriously.
My shep did what she did to save people, she couldn't give a rats ass who provided her with the means to do what she would have done anyways.
Nobody can tell her to pull the trigger when she doesn't want to.

[Sister Helen]

I'm not going to quote the person I'm responding too, because the quote boxes are all getting quite confusing to read.  This answer is directed to the person who thought that the VS didn't act to bring Shep back with the VS for a report because the VS was unarmed and facing two heavily armed people standing with Shep.

I didn't get the impression that the VS was very intimidated by Garrus or Mordinn, who were my Shep's squadmates on Virmire.  (I sometimes used Jack.) Did the VS call out from cover, pull a gun, back away after the conversation, or do anything that indicated that he thought the squadmates were a threat to him?  No, the VS walked up to Shep, gave Shep a hug, then chewed Shep a new one.

Is it reasonable that the VS didn't pull a gun and drag Shep back with the VS to the Citadel to report to Captain Anderson? Yes, it is reasonable.  I suppose Alliance combat veterans in full armor who survived a colony attack by large bugpeople could be intimidated by a taurian (that they knew from the Saren-days) and an unknown salarian with a pistol in a white labcoat (or a bald chick with tattoos and a couple of leather strips across her nipples - oooh scary).

Is it reasonable that the VS didn't try to * VERBALLY * convince Shep to come back with the VS to the Citadel to report to Captain Anderson?  No. 

You always try to talk your buddy down from a ledge, or joke him out of a dangerous spot, or at least try to get him alone so you can make sure that the (bad) choice he is making is really his choice.  That's what friends do.... Unless of course, there is a psycho girlfriend involved. Then, buddy, you are on your own. 

Modifié par Sister Helen, 17 juin 2011 - 11:44 .

[Sylvianus]

@ Ottemis But Tali is on the ship and took the time to understand what happened before the arrival of Legion, not the VS. Tali refused the first time that Shepard offered her to join him, because she had also her priorities like them to report to the citadel. With the Quarians fleet. Tali is nationalist, and her reaction would be as strong as the VS.

Even stronger than Cerberus if Geth crews had accompanied Shepard in Freedom's Progress.

Finally Yes everyone has their own perception of things. I'm not offended by your point of view, on the contrary I understand. To be honest, I also didn't like being insulted as a traitor like you.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 juin 2011 - 11:49 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

^ haha +1 Helen