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[ashlover mark 2]

@ottemis i just dont like cerberus,its a personnel prefrannce.i feel like me joining them could have been handled much better than me haveing to die then being ressurected,then haveing the alliance and council diss me and discrediet me so i would now be forced to work with them.which in turns cause ashley to not be apart of the game (who is my fav squadmate).

just my own oppion.

[The Spamming Troll]

bioware should realize the fan backlash, atleast that ive seen from the fans here about it, so im sure they will address it. personally, ive eliminated most of ME2 from my memory and ill be accepting the reuniting in ME3 to be the first time ive seen this character since my rebirth.

im pretty sure bioware wouldnt fail with something twice. theyve got bigger ears then that.

[Dazaster Dellus]

At least these are civil conversations we are having. A lot more civl than the one on Horizon. OH SNAP!

[Ottemis]

I thought the dying in the beginning of the game was absolutely fantastic though, specially if you played through the first with the same character. Freaking brilliant.

[jeweledleah]

Sister Helen wrote...

I'm not going to quote the person I'm responding too, because the quote boxes are all getting quite confusing to read.  This answer is directed to the person who thought that the VS didn't act to bring Shep back with the VS for a report because the VS was unarmed and facing two heavily armed people standing with Shep.

I didn't get the impression that the VS was very intimidated by Garrus or Mordinn, who were my Shep's squadmates on Virmire.  (I sometimes used Jack.) Did the VS call out from cover, pull a gun, back away after the conversation, or do anything that indicated that he thought the squadmates were a threat to him?  No, the VS walked up to Shep, gave Shep a hug, then chewed Shep a new one.

Is it reasonable that the VS didn't pull a gun and drag Shep back with the VS to the Citadel to report to Captain Anderson? Yes, it is reasonable.  I suppose Alliance combat veterans in full armor who survived a colony attack by large bugpeople could be intimidated by a taurian (that they knew from the Saren-days) and an unknown salarian with a pistol in a white labcoat (or a bald chick with tattoos and a couple of leather strips across her nipples - oooh scary).

Is it reasonable that the VS didn't try to * VERBALLY * convince Shep to come back with the VS to the Citadel to report to Captain Anderson?  No. 

You always try to talk your buddy down from a ledge, or joke him out of a dangerous spot, or at least try to get him alone so you can make sure that the (bad) choice he is making is really his choice.  That's what friends do.... Unless of course, there is a psycho girlfriend involved. Then, buddy, you are on your own. 

and is it reasonable that Shepard didn't try to explain?  just went all - come with me, just like old times!  you should know I'm doing this for a good reason.  oh those rumors you heard?   they are true, but I'm still doing this for a good reason.  and Cerberus?  oh they have changed despite what we have seen and what you may have heard more recently.  nooo, there's absolutely no way they might be using aliens.  oh and that reaper connection proof?  I'm not going to tell you about husks, or anything, I want you to believe my word alone.  that tip you got that cerberus was behind abductions and here I am, showing up on cerberus vessel, confirming that I work with them - that's just... for a good reason, man! 

neither of them are particularely eloquent.  VS?  I'm assuming tht they just had a chance to come out of stasis, so they are still probably groggy and shocked.   Shepard?  well they just fought this crazy weird husk construct, so they are possibly just as shellshocket.  and yet Shepard is completely blameless, while VS is the one who is completely responsible for that mess of a meeting, orcestrated by.. our very own - TIM.

apologies?  only if both of them apologize.  dragging your friend out of the situation?  only if it applies to both friends.

[ladyvader]

Ottemis wrote...

I thought the dying in the beginning of the game was absolutely fantastic though, specially if you played through the first with the same character. Freaking brilliant.

I didn't see it coming and was like NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! with jaw hitting floor and controller too.    

[ashlover mark 2]

Ottemis wrote...

I thought the dying in the beginning of the game was absolutely fantastic though, specially if you played through the first with the same character. Freaking brilliant.

dont get me wrong i liked the actual scene itself,the normandy SR-1 being blasted to bits was epic.but the "Death" and "ressurection" felt a little cliched.i mean how many heros in todays fiction die and then return to save the day.

[PrinceLionheart]

Sister Helen wrote...

Is it reasonable that the VS didn't try to * VERBALLY * convince Shep to come back with the VS to the Citadel to report to Captain Anderson?  No. 

You always try to talk your buddy down from a ledge, or joke him out of a dangerous spot, or at least try to get him alone so you can make sure that the (bad) choice he is making is really his choice.  That's what friends do.... Unless of course, there is a psycho girlfriend involved. Then, buddy, you are on your own. 

Actually, VS did try convince Shepard that Cerberus was trying to jerk him/her around. It's just that since they believed Cerberus was responsible for the colony issue, the players (and Shepard's squad ad that) gave them the "Tin Foil Hat" treatment.

[PrinceLionheart]

Sister Helen wrote...

Is it reasonable that the VS didn't try to * VERBALLY * convince Shep to come back with the VS to the Citadel to report to Captain Anderson?  No. 

You always try to talk your buddy down from a ledge, or joke him out of a dangerous spot, or at least try to get him alone so you can make sure that the (bad) choice he is making is really his choice.  That's what friends do.... Unless of course, there is a psycho girlfriend involved. Then, buddy, you are on your own. 

Actually, VS did try convince Shepard that Cerberus was trying to jerk him/her around. It's just that since they believed Cerberus was responsible for the colony issue, the players (and Shepard's squad ad that) gave them the "Tin Foil Hat" treatment.

[Ottemis]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

I thought the dying in the beginning of the game was absolutely fantastic though, specially if you played through the first with the same character. Freaking brilliant.

dont get me wrong i liked the actual scene itself,the normandy SR-1 being blasted to bits was epic.but the "Death" and "ressurection" felt a little cliched.i mean how many heros in todays fiction die and then return to save the day.

Haha yeah, unfortunately cliche is what alot of people prefer in the end. When a game tries to take the 'less-epic' path it's often judged for it as I've noticed. I don't mind cliche, a cliche can still be executed brilliantly.
Nothing will ever be perfect in the eyes of everyone in the end =)

Modifié par Ottemis, 18 juin 2011 - 12:19 .

[Lucifer_Cheney]

Antivenger wrote...

They probably will.

Won't accept it though.

Because it's Shepard's (or, ME2 writer's) fault.

The writing for that scene was disappointing to say the least. Seemed like something an emotionally detached Alpha male/female would say!

[ashlover mark 2]

Ottemis wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

I thought the dying in the beginning of the game was absolutely fantastic though, specially if you played through the first with the same character. Freaking brilliant.

dont get me wrong i liked the actual scene itself,the normandy SR-1 being blasted to bits was epic.but the "Death" and "ressurection" felt a little cliched.i mean how many heros in todays fiction die and then return to save the day.

Haha yeah, unfortunately cliche is what alot of people prefer in the end. When a game tries to take the 'less-epic' path it's often judged for it as I've noticed. I don't mind cliche, a cliche can still be executed brilliantly.
Nothing will ever be perfect in the eyes of everyone in the end =)

true enough,there were other things about ME2 i didnt like but wont get into them here i dont want to derail the thread.

[Oblivious]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

I thought the dying in the beginning of the game was absolutely fantastic though, specially if you played through the first with the same character. Freaking brilliant.

dont get me wrong i liked the actual scene itself,the normandy SR-1 being blasted to bits was epic.but the "Death" and "ressurection" felt a little cliched.i mean how many heros in todays fiction die and then return to save the day.

Many, but I only know of one who literally died and was resurrected through science.

[Ultai]

I understand where they're coming from, so an apology isn't necessary.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

One serious point everyone is missing though, how do you think our Shepard feels about being 'rebuilt' using Cerberus hardware? Add that to your conversations with your love interests, during your next meeting!

Myself, I'm kinda disgusted by the inclusion of cybernetics to attain a fully functional 'human' existence, and then to stand in front of our LI's, and expect them to understand? Give me a break!!!

This particular subject is going to take a good, long time to resolve, and hopefully, Bioware will carry this through multiple conversations, in order to satisfy the subject. Not just fluff it out.

[Soapy86]

I do hope for a genuine, heartfelt apology from Ashley, if only so I can reject it.

[Badpie]

ohupthis wrote...

One serious point everyone is missing though, how do you think our Shepard feels about being 'rebuilt' using Cerberus hardware? Add that to your conversations with your love interests, during your next meeting!

Myself, I'm kinda disgusted by the inclusion of cybernetics to attain a fully functional 'human' existence, and then to stand in front of our LI's, and expect them to understand? Give me a break!!!

This particular subject is going to take a good, long time to resolve, and hopefully, Bioware will carry this through multiple conversations, in order to satisfy the subject. Not just fluff it out.

I'm really hoping for some character development for Shepard in ME3.... as opposed to the SERIOUS lack thereof in ME2.  I mean let's be honest here, Shepard was going through some personal stuff.  And while it's perfectly acceptable to put it aside for the good of the mission I would really like a chance to explore Shepard in ME3.  And from what I'm hearing that sounds likely.  So I'm really excited.  I can't imagine that he's just able to shrug off dying and being resurrected for one....

[Destroy Raiden_]

^ Agree. No one shrugs off dying and being brought back ask all those who had near death experiences.

[ashlover mark 2]

a few times in the game you do get emotional respones from shepard, once in the beging when jacob tells him hes been dead for two years and again on the kodiak after you leave the lazerus station but thats about it,nothing to big and fancy.

[Iakus]

ohupthis wrote...

One serious point everyone is missing though, how do you think our Shepard feels about being 'rebuilt' using Cerberus hardware? Add that to your conversations with your love interests, during your next meeting!

Myself, I'm kinda disgusted by the inclusion of cybernetics to attain a fully functional 'human' existence, and then to stand in front of our LI's, and expect them to understand? Give me a break!!!

This particular subject is going to take a good, long time to resolve, and hopefully, Bioware will carry this through multiple conversations, in order to satisfy the subject. Not just fluff it out.

My Shepard doesn't know what to think, since no one has yet given him a straight answer about what the Lazarus project entailed exactly.  As I said, Ash asking what was done to Shepard, and if they're somehow controlling him, gave me a  moment to pause and reflect (not to mention the rather poor responses I had to choose from).   Here's hoping  for some answers in ME3.  

A few moments to ponder just how "human" Shepard still is in ME2 would not have gone amiss.

[Medhia Nox]

No, I would not want them to apologize for being human.

[Arijharn]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

It wasn't shepard I wanted to hit. My first run was something like this:

"You didn't call me in 2 years!!!!"

"I was in a coma!"

"That's no excuse! And you joined with those racist bastards Cerberus! And you brought Garrus and that other alien with you!"

"Are you even listening to yourself?"

If ever a scene needed a renegade interrupt, it was that one.

^
What he said.

[Cypher0020]

Both Shep and the VS.... acted... rash? heat of the moment? I'm opting for the what's done is done, we've got waaaaaay bigger problems ahead... like galatic extermination

>.>

Who thinks the Reapers could give the Daleks a run for their money?

[AresXX7]

To be perfectly honest, I'm not looking for an apology.

That scene just reeked too much of bad writing to be taken seriously, on both sides.