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[cmessaz]

Bejos_ wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Rojahar wrote...
It seems like there are some very vocal people on this forum who freak out and feel the need to venomously try to tear apart and attack anything that doesn't share their rabid hatred of everything DA2.

I don't think it occurs to many of the more angry and vocal people here that perhaps not everybody shares the exact same opinions, or wants the exact same changes.

Why loiter so much and invest so much in talking about a game you hate, on the forum of a company that you believe treats you like garbage? Why not go someplace that makes you happy?

These are the things that confuse me too. Asking them to "admit a mistake" on a certain element of the game that YOU hated, seems silly to me. Because not everyone agrees. Were there parts of the game (as far as the writing goes) that made me ...of course. Post these things in the constructive critisizm thread and if many agree on the same point, then something may be "admited". But I'm not going to say "I hate (A) and demand they admit that they failed because I hate (A)" because not everyone else did.

I've already stated my reasons. Why continually try to chase away people who come here to talk about the game in negative terms? I'm sure Bioware appreciates the feedback. Anyway, whatever negatives I do mention about the game, I try not to mention again, unless I'm specifically asked to do so, or unless there's a specific thread about that topic.

Yikes, guys, do you want BSN to be Stepford County?

I'm not trying to chase you away. I'm trying to understand. I have bought many games in my life that I wound up hating, but was stuck with. I was upset, but I didn't demand they change it, simply because I didn't like it. (The Witcher for example) many people like it, but I don't.  So I uninstalled it. I didn't demand an apology, and demand that they make future titles based on what I want.

In all seriousness most people who DO like DA2 are the ones that feel they get chased away.

[Bejos_]

(Un?)intentional spam! Heheh.

[KnightofPhoenix]

cmessaz wrote...
I didn't demand an apology, and demand that they make future titles based on what I want.

I don't think anyone is demanding anything. At least most are not.

[Maria Caliban]

DanaScu wrote...


Apparently people forget some of the huge NWN patches years after release.

The patches that included content for modders to use? Tilesets and stuff? Those patches that weren't only fixing issues/glitches/problems with the game? Nah. I remember. They used to patch with regularity, especially when they were updating resources like tilesets and fixing multiplayer stuff. I don't know whether there were ever any patches that had 100 fixes for the main game alone though.

I thought the patching and community support for Neverwinter Nights was outstanding on BioWare's part. It's still a high water mark in my mind.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 18 juin 2011 - 02:23 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Xewaka wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...
I love the fact that ya never know what's goin to come out of Hawke's mouth when u pick an option of what to say.

For the life of me I will never understand how people can actually consider such a blatant theft of character control from the player a positive element in a roleplaying game.

Are you kidding it add's more to your character, give's your character more life, I don't understand where it's theft instead of adding. But then I've never played a game with a wheel until now and I freakin enjoy it and wouldn't want it any other way. Like I said it adds more to your character, more excitement, more surprise.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
I didn't demand an apology, and demand that they make future titles based on what I want.

I don't think anyone is demanding anything. At least most are not.

You're kidding, right?

[UnspokenSoul22]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...
I love the fact that ya never know what's goin to come out of Hawke's mouth when u pick an option of what to say.

For the life of me I will never understand how people can actually consider such a blatant theft of character control from the player a positive element in a roleplaying game.

Are you kidding it add's more to your character, give's your character more life, I don't understand where it's theft instead of adding. But then I've never played a game with a wheel until now and I freakin enjoy it and wouldn't want it any other way. Like I said it adds more to your character, more excitement, more surprise.

Agreed. There's nothing more fun than to hear Hawke spout off some quick-witted joke when it's not expected. Though the wheel idea did come from ME, that doesn't bother me.

[cmessaz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
I didn't demand an apology, and demand that they make future titles based on what I want.

I don't think anyone is demanding anything. At least most are not.

Ok...ask for it? Point is, I know I didn't like it, yet others did. Are there those who agree with me? Oh yeah. But it seems quite a few others did like the game and I know that, even if I disagree. I just don't understand why it's so bad for DA2.

If others didn't like TW, it wouldn't sell, and they'd quit making the franchise. Which wouldn't have bother me one way or another because I was on to another game.

Modifié par cmessaz, 18 juin 2011 - 02:28 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
I didn't demand an apology, and demand that they make future titles based on what I want.

I don't think anyone is demanding anything. At least most are not.

You're kidding, right?

No.

I think there is a difference between asking for / hoping / expecting, and outright demanding.

[Thor Rand Al]

cmessaz wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Rojahar wrote...
It seems like there are some very vocal people on this forum who freak out and feel the need to venomously try to tear apart and attack anything that doesn't share their rabid hatred of everything DA2.

I don't think it occurs to many of the more angry and vocal people here that perhaps not everybody shares the exact same opinions, or wants the exact same changes.

Why loiter so much and invest so much in talking about a game you hate, on the forum of a company that you believe treats you like garbage? Why not go someplace that makes you happy?

These are the things that confuse me too. Asking them to "admit a mistake" on a certain element of the game that YOU hated, seems silly to me. Because not everyone agrees. Were there parts of the game (as far as the writing goes) that made me ...of course. Post these things in the constructive critisizm thread and if many agree on the same point, then something may be "admited". But I'm not going to say "I hate (A) and demand they admit that they failed because I hate (A)" because not everyone else did.

I've already stated my reasons. Why continually try to chase away people who come here to talk about the game in negative terms? I'm sure Bioware appreciates the feedback. Anyway, whatever negatives I do mention about the game, I try not to mention again, unless I'm specifically asked to do so, or unless there's a specific thread about that topic.

Yikes, guys, do you want BSN to be Stepford County?

I'm not trying to chase you away. I'm trying to understand. I have bought many games in my life that I wound up hating, but was stuck with. I was upset, but I didn't demand they change it, simply because I didn't like it. (The Witcher for example) many people like it, but I don't.  So I uninstalled it. I didn't demand an apology, and demand that they make future titles based on what I want.

In all seriousness most people who DO like DA2 are the ones that feel they get chased away.

You nailed it right on the wall cmz, one reason I stayed away because it was downright rude to make a positive comment about something n get slammed for making that comment.  But I'm done hiding in the shadows afraid to get slammed.  I enjoy DA2, I know others do to, lol time to stand back up and say so

[Bejos_]

cmessaz wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

I've already stated my reasons. Why continually try to chase away people who come here to talk about the game in negative terms? I'm sure Bioware appreciates the feedback. Anyway, whatever negatives I do mention about the game, I try not to mention again, unless I'm specifically asked to do so, or unless there's a specific thread about that topic.

Yikes, guys, do you want BSN to be Stepford County?

I'm not trying to chase you away. I'm trying to understand. I have bought many games in my life that I wound up hating, but was stuck with. I was upset, but I didn't demand they change it, simply because I didn't like it. (The Witcher for example) many people like it, but I don't.  So I uninstalled it. I didn't demand an apology, and demand that they make future titles based on what I want.

In all seriousness most people who DO like DA2 are the ones that feel they get chased away.

The reason I come to BSN is because it's RPG-focused but generally friendly.
Other places have trolls and idjits (RPGCodex) or aren't specifically RPG-focused, so RPG topics become lost in the shuffle.

In my defence, I've almost never attacked a DA2 fan. It's always been about the game, or the companies. In one or two instances, I may make hyperbolic statements to get my point across, but that's just because I don't have faith in people grasping what it is I'm trying to say otherwise.

Interestingly, people will attack you just because you dislike the game or the company; or they somehow conflate your criticism as criticism of them, which is just silly.

The funny part: Within the past 2 days, I've been attacked by BOTH "biodrones" and "haters" ... for being a "hater" and a "console kewlz kiddie", respectively 8|

Modifié par Bejos_, 18 juin 2011 - 02:31 .

[Persephone]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Rojahar wrote...
It seems like there are some very vocal people on this forum who freak out and feel the need to venomously try to tear apart and attack anything that doesn't share their rabid hatred of everything DA2.

I don't think it occurs to many of the more angry and vocal people here that perhaps not everybody shares the exact same opinions, or wants the exact same changes.

Why loiter so much and invest so much in talking about a game you hate, on the forum of a company that you believe treats you like garbage? Why not go someplace that makes you happy?

These are the things that confuse me too. Asking them to "admit a mistake" on a certain element of the game that YOU hated, seems silly to me. Because not everyone agrees. Were there parts of the game (as far as the writing goes) that made me ...of course. Post these things in the constructive critisizm thread and if many agree on the same point, then something may be "admited". But I'm not going to say "I hate (A) and demand they admit that they failed because I hate (A)" because not everyone else did.

I've already stated my reasons. Why continually try to chase away people who come here to talk about the game in negative terms? I'm sure Bioware appreciates the feedback. Anyway, whatever negatives I do mention about the game, I try not to mention again, unless I'm specifically asked to do so, or unless there's a specific thread about that topic.

Yikes, guys, do you want BSN to be Stepford County?

I'm not trying to chase you away. I'm trying to understand. I have bought many games in my life that I wound up hating, but was stuck with. I was upset, but I didn't demand they change it, simply because I didn't like it. (The Witcher for example) many people like it, but I don't.  So I uninstalled it. I didn't demand an apology, and demand that they make future titles based on what I want.

In all seriousness most people who DO like DA2 are the ones that feel they get chased away.

You nailed it right on the wall cmz, one reason I stayed away because it was downright rude to make a positive comment about something n get slammed for making that comment.  But I'm done hiding in the shadows afraid to get slammed.  I enjoy DA2, I know others do to, lol time to stand back up and say so

That's the spirit!!! :devil:

[cmessaz]

@Bejos_ - But I'm not attacking you.

[KnightofPhoenix]

cmessaz wrote...
Ok...ask for it? Point is, I know I didn't like it, yet others did. Are there those who agree with me? Oh yeah. But it seems quite a few others did like the game and I know that, even if I disagree. I just don't understand why it's so bad for DA2.

If others didn't like it, it wouldn't sell, and they'd quit making it. Which wouldn't bother me one way or another because I was on to another game.

Well that's our lot in life. Everything at least has to have a few who like it, and yet we still criticize it. I mean you don't want people like Simon Cowell and Gordon Ramsay to lose their job right?

A lot of the criticism is almost universal, in that even those who do like the game a lot agree but don't find it as bad  or game breaking as others. Like Act 3, from what I've seen here, it's almost universal that it's the weakest act in the game. Some can tolerate it however. Others, like me, can't. But I think most agree that there was a problem with it. And I think it's perfectly reasonable to voice that criticism and others like it (who at least seem to have a lot of people sharing it).

About the franchise dying not bothering you. Well for some, this is the only fantasy RPG franchsie that they care about, so I can understand their worry. I personally do not share it, for I have found an alternative, but I understand it.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 juin 2011 - 02:34 .

[Gunderic]

Persephone wrote...

Serious question:

So since Bioware is expected to "own up" to everything a part of the fanbase dislikes about the game and must not show a bit of fondness for their creation....

Where does that leave the fans who liked it? Might they RAGE about being unimportant (Except for sidenotes ala "Some loved it....") and ignored?

Bioware has to be very careful on both sides, it's a hellish balance to keep.

How about they just... stop calling the game "innovative" or "the right direction for the franchise"? I mean, I just think... that would go a long way. It doesn't seem like a hard thing to do. For once.

Modifié par Gunderic, 18 juin 2011 - 02:35 .

[UnspokenSoul22]

Alrighty, not to change the subject, but I just found this link on one of the other topics. It's a clip that might contain clues for DA3. Sandal starts speaking in an uncharacteristic voice, then suddenly flips back to his old self.



He also says, just before the camera pans to the frozen ogre in the Deep Roads,

"Not enchantment." Heh, heh. What's going on with this? Is Sandal a true blue mage?

[cmessaz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

cmessaz wrote...
Ok...ask for it? Point is, I know I didn't like it, yet others did. Are there those who agree with me? Oh yeah. But it seems quite a few others did like the game and I know that, even if I disagree. I just don't understand why it's so bad for DA2.

If others didn't like it, it wouldn't sell, and they'd quit making it. Which wouldn't bother me one way or another because I was on to another game.

Well that's our lot in life. Everything at least has to have a few who like it, and yet we still criticize it. I mean you don't want people like Simon Cowell and Gordon Ramsay to lose their job right?

A lot of the criticism is almost universal, in that even those who do like the game a lot agree but don't find it as bad  or game breaking as others. Like Act 3, from what Iv'e seen here, it's almost universal that it's the weakest act in the game. Some can tolerate it however. Others, like me, can't. But I think most agree that there was a problem with it. And I htink it's perfectly reasonable to voice that criticism and others like it.

About the franchise dying not bothering you. Well for some, this is the only fantasy RPG franchsie that they care about, so I can understand their worry. I personally do not share it, for I have found an alternative, but I understand them.

1. I don't know who those people are...is that bad?

2. Yes and I understand that. But...not everyone hated it, thats my point.

3. You have to admit that some of the stuff going on is not "constructive" though. Saying people should lose their jobs...etc?

Modifié par cmessaz, 18 juin 2011 - 02:35 .

[Persephone]

Gunderic wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Serious question:

So since Bioware is expected to "own up" to everything a part of the fanbase dislikes about the game and must not show a bit of fondness for their creation....

Where does that leave the fans who liked it? Might they RAGE about being unimportant (Except for sidenotes ala "Some loved it....") and ignored?

Bioware has to be very careful on both sides, it's a hellish balance to keep.

How about they just... stop calling the game "innovative" or "the right direction for the franchise". I mean, I just think... that would go a long way. It doesn't seem like a hard thing to do. For once.

So they are not PERMITTED to feel that way because you and some others say so.

Gotcha.:innocent:

[Melca36]

Thor Rand Al wrote...



You nailed it right on the wall cmz, one reason I stayed away because it was downright rude to make a positive comment about something n get slammed for making that comment.  But I'm done hiding in the shadows afraid to get slammed.  I enjoy DA2, I know others do to, lol time to stand back up and say so

As someone who rated the DA:2  a 7/8 I feel the need to point out that it goes BOTH ways.<_<

I have been called a HATER for giving the game that score which I think is more than fair. I've also been called a BLIND fangirl from the other side for giving it that score

Also...the hardcore DA:2 fans (The ones who rate it a 10) and bash Origins are not doing any favors.  Its like people have forgotten how many awards Origins won.

Why can't people enjoy both games???

[cmessaz]

UnspokenSoul22 wrote...

Alrighty, not to change the subject, but I just found this link on one of the other topics. It's a clip that might contain clues for DA3. Sandal starts speaking in an uncharacteristic voice, then suddenly flips back to his old self.



He also says, just before the camera pans to the frozen ogre in the Deep Roads,

"Not enchantment." Heh, heh. What's going on with this? Is Sandal a true blue mage?

Sandal creeps me out in DA2.

[Persephone]

Melca36 wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...



You nailed it right on the wall cmz, one reason I stayed away because it was downright rude to make a positive comment about something n get slammed for making that comment.  But I'm done hiding in the shadows afraid to get slammed.  I enjoy DA2, I know others do to, lol time to stand back up and say so

As someone who rated the DA:2  a 7/8 I feel the need to point out that it goes BOTH ways.<_<

I have been called a HATER for giving the game that score which I think is more than fair. I've also been called a BLIND fangirl from the other side for giving it that score

Also...the hardcore DA:2 fans (The ones who rate it a 10) and bash Origins are not doing any favors.  Its like people have forgotten how many awards Origins won.

Why can't people enjoy both games???

Bolded part: It's not like these people are swarming all over the forums. Like.....a 0.2% minority.....if even that.

The other side however.........

[Gunderic]

Persephone wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Serious question:

So since Bioware is expected to "own up" to everything a part of the fanbase dislikes about the game and must not show a bit of fondness for their creation....

Where does that leave the fans who liked it? Might they RAGE about being unimportant (Except for sidenotes ala "Some loved it....") and ignored?

Bioware has to be very careful on both sides, it's a hellish balance to keep.

How about they just... stop calling the game "innovative" or "the right direction for the franchise". I mean, I just think... that would go a long way. It doesn't seem like a hard thing to do. For once.

So they are not PERMITTED to feel that way because you and some others say so.

Gotcha.:innocent:

No, not necessarily. It would just go a long way in not continuing to polarise the fan base.

[KnightofPhoenix]

cmessaz wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well that's our lot in life. Everything at least has to have a few who like it, and yet we still criticize it. I mean you don't want people like Simon Cowell and Gordon Ramsay to lose their job right?

A lot of the criticism is almost universal, in that even those who do like the game a lot agree but don't find it as bad  or game breaking as others. Like Act 3, from what Iv'e seen here, it's almost universal that it's the weakest act in the game. Some can tolerate it however. Others, like me, can't. But I think most agree that there was a problem with it. And I htink it's perfectly reasonable to voice that criticism and others like it.

About the franchise dying not bothering you. Well for some, this is the only fantasy RPG franchsie that they care about, so I can understand their worry. I personally do not share it, for I have found an alternative, but I understand them.

1. I don't know who those people are...is that bad?

2. Yes and I understand that. But...not everyone hated it, thats my point.

3. You have to admit that some of the stuff going on is not "constructive" though. Saying people should lose their jobs...etc?

1. Yes....seriously

2. Of course not everyone hated it. But by that logic, you can't really criticize anything because at least someone likes something. 

3. Oh I know a lot of it is not constructive. I too post things that are not constructive, because I get tired of writing big posts to explain my position every time. Which is making me want to copy and save them somewhere now that I think of it.