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[Melca36]

As I said before...The simple way to bring back the fans.........

1) Keep the Friendship/Rivalry system ( continue to improve it)

2) Keep the dialogue wheel (continue to improve it)

3) Don't use the same dungeon over & over & over

4) Less Fetch & Delivery quests & more quests with depth like The Magistrates Orders

5) A FADE that lasts longer than 15 minutes on Hard Mode

6) A Deep Roads that last longer than 30 minutes on Hard Mode (Make it more atmospheric too)

7) Less Cutscenes more finishing moves


I can guarantee that would make me happy.

Modifié par Melca36, 18 juin 2011 - 02:41 .

[Elhanan]

Stanley Woo wrote...

You're right, Maria. We go with the cutest feedback.

I knew it! Lady Wolf always thought it was the pie!!!

[Bejos_]

cmessaz wrote...

@Bejos_ - But I'm not attacking you.

No, I know, I mean the above in principle.

I've been attacked way more by people who like DA2, than I've seen people who don't like DA2, attack people who like it. (Mouthful, I know.)

It's just weird to me that people can't seem to have a discussion on here, about all aspects of DA2, without one or other person attacking someone.

People should be able to criticise and praise. It's unreasonable to expect those who don't like the game just to leave. I did, after all, buy 3 other Bioware games. I just don't particularly feel like talking about those, because I'm the kind of person who likes to talk about contemporary topics ...

So we aren't going anywhere, biodrones

[Persephone]

Gunderic wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Serious question:

So since Bioware is expected to "own up" to everything a part of the fanbase dislikes about the game and must not show a bit of fondness for their creation....

Where does that leave the fans who liked it? Might they RAGE about being unimportant (Except for sidenotes ala "Some loved it....") and ignored?

Bioware has to be very careful on both sides, it's a hellish balance to keep.

How about they just... stop calling the game "innovative" or "the right direction for the franchise". I mean, I just think... that would go a long way. It doesn't seem like a hard thing to do. For once.

So they are not PERMITTED to feel that way because you and some others say so.

Gotcha.:innocent:

No, not necessarily. It would just go a long way in not continuing to polarise the fan base.

Or how about said fanbase showing HALF or the courtesy and respect they are expecting from Bioware?

[cmessaz]

@KoP yeah I should. And I'll google them dudes here in a few

All I am saying that those who say Bioware screwed up on a certain aspect and should admit it makes no sense to me. Because some of the criticism I see I totally don't agree with. A lot of this is opinion. Bioware changed a lot with DA2, and some are going to like it and some not. Just a fact of life I guess. If you recall I was very skeptical of DA2. I didn't even pre-order it until end of Feb. But it is now tied with Origins as my favorite game! So the game was obviously a success to me. I just get annoyed when people claim "most" people didn't like it.

Modifié par cmessaz, 18 juin 2011 - 02:45 .

[Persephone]

Bejos_ wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

@Bejos_ - But I'm not attacking you.

No, I know, I mean the above in principle.

I've been attacked way more by people who like DA2, than I've seen people who don't like DA2, attack people who like it. (Mouthful, I know.)
*Snips*
So we aren't going anywhere, biodrones

The irony. It bites.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's dial it down a notch, folks. It's Friday night, and some of us would like to finally leave work and go home and not find that this thread has exploded. Thanks, everyone.

[Melca36]

Persephone wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...



You nailed it right on the wall cmz, one reason I stayed away because it was downright rude to make a positive comment about something n get slammed for making that comment.  But I'm done hiding in the shadows afraid to get slammed.  I enjoy DA2, I know others do to, lol time to stand back up and say so

As someone who rated the DA:2  a 7/8 I feel the need to point out that it goes BOTH ways.<_<

I have been called a HATER for giving the game that score which I think is more than fair. I've also been called a BLIND fangirl from the other side for giving it that score

Also...the hardcore DA:2 fans (The ones who rate it a 10) and bash Origins are not doing any favors.  Its like people have forgotten how many awards Origins won.

Why can't people enjoy both games???

Bolded part: It's not like these people are swarming all over the forums. Like.....a 0.2% minority.....if even that.

The other side however.........

But you can't deny it.

And let me stress I know you know DA:2 is NOT perfect . I know Origins is NOT perfect.

People should have the right to enjoy BOTH games without the persecution.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I love this thread. The title is so prophetic.

Bonus points for EXTREME partisanship.

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's dial it down a notch, folks. It's Friday night, and some of us would like to finally leave work and go home and not find that this thread has exploded. Thanks, everyone.

Here's the part where your comment is taken out of context and used for purposes of bashing you, Bioware or Dragon Age 2 and conversely, where it's used to portray all people who have criticism about the game as rude and inconsiderate.

Have a great weekend, Mr. Woo.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 18 juin 2011 - 02:46 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Melca36 wrote...

As I said before...The simple way to bring back the fans.........

1) Keep the Friendship/Rivalry system ( continue to improve it)

2) Keep the dialogue wheel (continue to improve it)

3) Don't use the same dungeon over & over & over

4) Less Fetch & Delivery quests & more quests with depth like The Magistrates Orders

5) A FADE that lasts longer than 15 minutes on Hard Mode

6) A Deep Roads that last longer than 30 minutes on Hard Mode (Make it more atmospheric too)

7) Less Cutscenes more finishing moves


I can guarantee that would make me happy.

8) no waves

9) More pro-active PC

10) more sidequests that do not involve killing. Like investigations, trials, puzzles, theft...etc. Mini-games could also boost interactiosn with companions. Yea, I want to play chess with a hot female LI. 

11) more nuance, subtelty and complexity in writing.

12) more weight to choices and a more responsive world that looks and feels alive.

Those are the big ones for me.

[UnspokenSoul22]

cmessaz wrote...

UnspokenSoul22 wrote...

Alrighty, not to change the subject, but I just found this link on one of the other topics. It's a clip that might contain clues for DA3. Sandal starts speaking in an uncharacteristic voice, then suddenly flips back to his old self.



He also says, just before the camera pans to the frozen ogre in the Deep Roads,

"Not enchantment." Heh, heh. What's going on with this? Is Sandal a true blue mage?

Sandal creeps me out in DA2.

Yeah. Sandal's pretty weird. I bet he has even more powers BW hasn't showed us yet.

Here's a trailer for DA2 that came out quite a while out. There is sort of a spoiler in it, so those who haven't played...avert your eyes.



Right at the end, Hawke looks like he's an actual demon or some other sort of creature. Y'know, right where the hands appear? Any speculation on this?

[Bejos_]

Persephone wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

@Bejos_ - But I'm not attacking you.

No, I know, I mean the above in principle.

I've been attacked way more by people who like DA2, than I've seen people who don't like DA2, attack people who like it. (Mouthful, I know.)
*Snips*
So we aren't going anywhere, biodrones

The irony. It bites.

Oh God. Perse, please get over it. I said I couldn't take that view seriously. I still can't. Sorry, I just can't.

I did apologise about the "12-year-old" comment, but I explained I didn't mean it in the way that it had been interpreted.

Can we drop that now, please?

[Bejos_]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's dial it down a notch, folks. It's Friday night, and some of us would like to finally leave work and go home and not find that this thread has exploded. Thanks, everyone.

G'night. It's almost morning, I'm sick, and I've not been able to sleep.

Hope you 'ave a fantastic weekend.

Modifié par Bejos_, 18 juin 2011 - 02:48 .

[Melca36]

cmessaz wrote...

@KoP yeah I should. And I'll google them dudes here in a few

All I am saying that those who say Bioware screwed up on a certain aspect and should admit it makes no sense to me. Because some of the criticism I see I totally don't agree with. A lot of this is opinion. Bioware changed a lot with DA2, and some are going to like it and some not. Just a fact of life I guess. If you recall I was very skeptical of DA2. I didn't even pre-order it until end of Feb. But it changed my mind! So the game was obviously a success to me.

I definitely agree and you know I love the story, the characters the most. Its some of  gameplay mechanics and the shallow quests like the Fetch and Delivery quests that annoy me the most.

No game is perfect.

[Persephone]

Bejos_ wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

@Bejos_ - But I'm not attacking you.

No, I know, I mean the above in principle.

I've been attacked way more by people who like DA2, than I've seen people who don't like DA2, attack people who like it. (Mouthful, I know.)
*Snips*
So we aren't going anywhere, biodrones

The irony. It bites.

Oh God. Perse, please get over it. I said I couldn't take that view seriously. I still can't. Sorry, I just can't.

I did apologise about the "12-year-old" comment, but I explained I didn't mean it in the way that it had been interpreted.

Can we drop that now, please?

Take what seriously now?

Fine. Let's drop whatever it is we're dropping.

[Jaldaric]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

9) More pro-active PC

10) more sidequests that do not involve killing. Like investigations, trials, puzzles, theft...etc. Mini-games could also boost interactiosn with companions. Yea, I want to play chess with a hot female LI. 

11) more nuance, subtelty and complexity in writing.

12) more weight to choices and a more responsive world that looks and feels alive.

Those are the big ones for me.

Ooo, I'd hop behind those ones. Not sure if BW (DA Division) can pull it off, last few games worlds and NPC's have been BW's weak point. Perhaps if they hire more writers that can handle complex ideas like that?

Modifié par Jaldaric, 18 juin 2011 - 02:48 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

cmessaz wrote...

@KoP
All I am saying that those who say Bioware screwed up on a certain aspect and should admit it makes no sense to me. Because some of the criticism I see I totally don't agree with. A lot of this is opinion. Bioware changed a lot with DA2, and some are going to like it and some not. Just a fact of life I guess. If you recall I was very skeptical of DA2. I didn't even pre-order it until end of Feb. But it changed my mind! So the game was obviously a success to me.

See, you are also implying that it was change that was the problem for all. It was not for me.

Most of the criticism I say for instance, is generally agreed upon by most here even those who love the game. There are however different scales to how much they dislike it. I think it's perfectly resonable, as such, to say that there is indeed a problem with that specific issue. Of course I'd love it if they phrase it like this "Yea, we screwed up big time", but I know that's not what I am expecting and hoping for.

[Melca36]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

As I said before...The simple way to bring back the fans.........

1) Keep the Friendship/Rivalry system ( continue to improve it)

2) Keep the dialogue wheel (continue to improve it)

3) Don't use the same dungeon over & over & over

4) Less Fetch & Delivery quests & more quests with depth like The Magistrates Orders

5) A FADE that lasts longer than 15 minutes on Hard Mode

6) A Deep Roads that last longer than 30 minutes on Hard Mode (Make it more atmospheric too)

7) Less Cutscenes more finishing moves


I can guarantee that would make me happy.

8) no waves

9) More pro-active PC

10) more sidequests that do not involve killing. Like investigations, trials, puzzles, theft...etc. Mini-games could also boost interactiosn with companions. Yea, I want to play chess with a hot female LI. 

11) more nuance, subtelty and complexity in writing.

12) more weight to choices and a more responsive world that looks and feels alive.

Those are the big ones for me.

I agree Kop.

Oh and my husband....would like some BETTER female characters.  He liked Isabela but hated Merill.

But Isabela's appeal was NOT enough for him to play again.  

[FieryDove]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

I LOVE, absolutely LOVE not knowing what's coming out of their mouth, I didn't think I'd enjoy the wheel convo's but turns out I wouldn't want it any other way. 

And I know I'm not the only one who hopes they keep things like this in the next DA, it adds more character and more enjoyment to your game, even if some of it's  lol.

It adds more enjoyment to your game, not mine. Just clarifying.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Melca36 wrote...
Oh and my husband....would like some BETTER female characters.  He liked Isabela but hated Merill.

But Isabela's appeal was NOT enough for him to play again.  

They all can't be Morrigan

[Jaldaric]

FieryDove wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

I LOVE, absolutely LOVE not knowing what's coming out of their mouth, I didn't think I'd enjoy the wheel convo's but turns out I wouldn't want it any other way. 

And I know I'm not the only one who hopes they keep things like this in the next DA, it adds more character and more enjoyment to your game, even if some of it's  lol.

It adds more enjoyment to your game, not mine. Just clarifying.

Same with me. It wasn't done that well in my opinion. ME did it better.

[cmessaz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

@KoP
All I am saying that those who say Bioware screwed up on a certain aspect and should admit it makes no sense to me. Because some of the criticism I see I totally don't agree with. A lot of this is opinion. Bioware changed a lot with DA2, and some are going to like it and some not. Just a fact of life I guess. If you recall I was very skeptical of DA2. I didn't even pre-order it until end of Feb. But it changed my mind! So the game was obviously a success to me.

See, you are also implying that it was change that was the problem for all. It was not for me.

Most of the criticism I say for instance, is generally agreed upon by most here even those who love the game. There are however different scales to how much they dislike it. I think it's perfectly resonable, as such, to say that there is indeed a problem with that specific issue. Of course I'd love it if they phrase it like this "Yea, we screwed up big time", but I know that's not what I am expecting and hoping for.

LOL...but I'm mostly NOT referring to you. While I don't agree with some of your posts, I feel you generally don't spew useless hate. (Or I just miss it ) I'm just saying, I have an opinion, and you (and others) have an opinion. I just don't get why the people who didn't like the game think their opinion matters more and Bioware should listen to THEM.

FOR THE RECORD! I don't want less cutscenes...that was a part of the game I really enjoyed.

Modifié par cmessaz, 18 juin 2011 - 02:56 .

[Gunderic]

Rojahar wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

How about they just... stop calling the game "innovative" or "the right direction for the franchise". I mean, I just think... that would go a long way. It doesn't seem like a hard thing to do. For once.

Why? It's just a direction you don't like. Your hate and venom really stems from not being able to accept differences of opinion, or that your opinions are not law?

It's not just a direction I don't like. It's a game I can't appreciate for what it is, but that's beside the point. Whether you honestly feel a certain way doesn't mean you can't do any more damage by making people feel as if their complaints are ignored, and if I were to assume that the intent of Greg & Ray was "to keep the peace", so to speak, then I think withholding information that might damage your reputation, however small the damage might be, would be of higher priority.

The fact that they claim the direction which was taken for Dragon Age 2 is the right one, is a whole other matter. I think I'm thankful to know that, at least.