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[PsychoBlonde]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

The one thing I said was "fact" was that the overwhelming majority of this forum disagrees with the developers.

Which isn't a fact, either, as you have no means of gathering this information or verifying its accuracy.  Nor would it have any significance even if it did, as the members of this forum are a miniscule percentage of the people who bought the game.

Modifié par PsychoBlonde, 18 juin 2011 - 07:07 .

[Foolsfolly]

erynnar wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

stoicsentry2:

I disagree. When ME2 came out I needed to sign into here and just gush about how great it was. I just had to. I was up here often, reading people's responses, telling my own, hanging around the gameplay forum to better my character builds.

That said, I do agree that DA2 has little replay value. I have no idea why that is though. I can't really point at any one thing.

You Fool, not everyone does. It didnt occur to me to get on the forum and do what you did for DAO. That's why I think BioWare really ought to do customer surveys.

I honestly read it like that. Sorry.

ROFL! Does that mean I need to change it? OH dear!Fools is not just a fool, he is the folly as well! Okay I will edit, I don't want that happening again.

No worries, I didn't read it like that at all.

[Morroian]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Some people just want to argue because they really wanted to like Dragon Age II and didn't, and they're blaming everyone and everything so they won't have to admit that maybe, just maybe, Dragon Age II might not be for them. This i why, despite all the accusations and rants and name-calling and quote-mining and misrepresentation of developer responses, they keep coming back--simply put, they want to like the next game we release.

And that's okay, as long as respect and courtesy are still maintained on this forum.

I understand that you're upset about how much of a dismal failure DA2 was when compared to DA:O. That's OK. 

Still, it's OK for me to feel betrayed when I buy your game and you betrayed the original. Then, your developers want to insult the "old" fans and toss them out. Fine. That's OK, too.

All you're doing is proving his point with talk about betrayal and insulting fans.

stoicsentry2 wrote...

I am enjoying the Witcher 2. I am interested in Skyrim. Hopefully these games will provide more for the money. I am mostly interested in purchasing RPGs, and I think you've taken the franchise too far away from RPGs at this point. The overwhelming majority of this entire forum disagrees with your developers. That's OK too, just fact.

Well no its not actually.

[stoicsentry2]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

Innovative.....

BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA.... I didnt realize **** on a disc was considered innovation. Shows what I know as one of those backward minorities who wanted more of the same.

Seriously Bioware, why do you continue to alienate so many of your core fanbase with these interviews?

lol good question

[stoicsentry2]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

The one thing I said was "fact" was that the overwhelming majority of this forum disagrees with the developers.

Which isn't a fact, either, as you have no means of gathering this information or verifying its accuracy.  Nor would it have any significance even if it did, as the members of this forum are a miniscule percentage of the people who bought the game.

Sorry, you're right, it's really hard to tell whether the fans liked DA2 or not. it's quite a mystery! Who could possibly speculate as to it's popularity among the fan base? 

All you're doing is proving his point with talk about betrayal and insulting fans.

Ok, I am sorry. I will leave the forums for awhile. I will not say anything negative about EA in that time and I will continue purchasing "item packs" for their incomplete piece of junk DA2.

See you later.

Modifié par stoicsentry2, 18 juin 2011 - 07:21 .

[Dormiglione]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

The one thing I said was "fact" was that the overwhelming majority of this forum disagrees with the developers.

Which isn't a fact, either, as you have no means of gathering this information or verifying its accuracy.  Nor would it have any significance even if it did, as the members of this forum are a miniscule percentage of the people who bought the game.

You are right when you say that here in the forum is only a little percentage of the actual customers of DA2. Normally the small percentage reflects the opinion and the mood of the silent (not forum active) majority. Yes, you can say that nowadays in this particular forum the hater are overhelming. You are right if we go back in time to march 2011 and also april 2011, but now its june 2011, the mood hasnt really changed. A few month were always enough to calm down the situation, but still so many complaints.
Really only a small, tiny group that is disappointed?

Lets assume, that its really that way. Now i throw just out a few numbers that are not correct, i use them just to make an example.
Lets say 2 million copies of DA2 find their way to the customer. Only a few hundred customer are really disappointed, the rest is happy. Then why are there so many interviews from the developers defending the direction DA2 went, telling that they are listening and take in consideration to make changes/improvements?

Is really anything alright out there?

Modifié par Dormiglione, 18 juin 2011 - 07:29 .

[Guns]

The only betrayal done is by Bioware to its fans.

[Gunderic]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

The one thing I said was "fact" was that the overwhelming majority of this forum disagrees with the developers.

Which isn't a fact, either, as you have no means of gathering this information or verifying its accuracy.  Nor would it have any significance even if it did, as the members of this forum are a miniscule percentage of the people who bought the game.

Polls?

[daemon1129]

I'm curious, just how do they know how many new fans did they attracted with DA2? Because from my circle (both internet and real life), no one cared about DA2.

[Rixxencaxx]

Well in my opionio people's rage is coming from your constant denial of facts

the game wasn't a commercial success. EA talked about 2 million copies sold-in. This means copies sold to resellers. A lot of these copies are on the shelves. We all know that the game almost stopped selling a few weeks after release underperforming origins. For a multiplatform game this is bad.
You started da2 marketing campaign talking about the intention to reach a wider audience selling millions of copies (above 5 millions) and you sold less than 2 millions.
Again you say that the game is a commercial success and you reached a lot of new fans (da2 sales were less than half origin's sales and more than 500.000 copies were preorders largely done by origins fans).
Finally the game was bashed by users and by a lot of critics and brough as an example of declining quality in Bioware products.
So in the end we all know that you can't say: ok folks we sold you a bag of garbage but maybe you could avoid talking about how you are so proud of your fantastic innovative work misunderstood by a bunch of fans replaced by a big crowd of new ones.....

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 18 juin 2011 - 07:59 .

[Playest]

Rixxencaxx wrote...
(da2 sales were less than half origin's sales and more than 500.000 copies were preorders largely done by origins fans).

it was 400,000 according to the numbers i saw but vaild points otherwise

[Zeevico]

I know a lot of people like DA2. Personally I'm not one of them and I don't expect to like DA3 either.
Put simply, I like the old RPG experience. I like voiceless PCs with five or six options or more in dialogue. I like knowing what PCs say in advance. I don't like excessive reliance on cinematics. Honestly, DAO was the only modern game I could continue playing. I've lost my taste for ME and now even ME2. I don't think I'll buy ME3 even if it is a great game. Maybe it will be but it's not the experience in gaming I'm looking for. In much the same way I'm not looking for, say, FPS gaming. Half Life 2 got great reviews. I figured--ok, it's got universal acclaim for 2 years now. It must be a good game. Well, I didn't like it. I didn't like the approach to the narrative, I didn't like the FPS gameplay. Anyway, all I'm saying is, I don't like DA2's approach to things and I don't think I'll like Bioware's approach to games in future. Which, now that I think about it, is fine by me.

[MDT1]

I wouldn't mind so much the statement that it was a finacial success.
I mean they still made profit with it. Also 2/5 of the sales with 1/5 (don't know if this is true though) of the production costs of DAO isnt bad at all.

But that they always have to mention we who didn't like it are stuck in the past is sheer insulting.
ME+ME2 were "innovative" imo and I love them both, I even prefer ME2 for gameplay.
They are just overall higher quality products than DA2.

But as BioWare thinks that insulting is the best way to get a message through I'll try it:
DA2 is an innovative crapload of bull****.

I'll apologize for this outbreak if the BW "stuck in the past"-statments actually ment that expecting BW to delivier high quality games is a thing from the past and were not supposed to offend me personally.

Modifié par MDT1, 18 juin 2011 - 08:32 .

[Elhanan]

And now for your posting entertainment:

[Bostur]

When reading these interviews I also keep wondering what they mean by innovations. I didn't notice many. Sure there are a lot of tweaks, most for their worse in my opinion, but in general it is the same core mechanics and storytelling.
My observation is that most of the BW interviews and positive reviews are very unspecific. We hear about innovations, but I can't see them. When I read these it sounds like something completely different than what I bought.

I think Stanley describes my disappointment very well, I really wanted it to be good. And it started pretty well, but the more I played the more disappointed I got. In hindsight I should really have uninstalled it much sooner, but with a pricetag like the one DA2 had I liked to give it a second chance.

I think publishers should realize that if they want to make something for a different userbase, they should be careful about using an existing IP, or at least make it very clear that it's intended to be something very different. This was marketed as a sequel to Dragon Age.

Rushed or not? I don't know the development budget, but I can see the result and it looks rushed. For me it doesn't really matter if a game has a huge budget or a small one, its the end result that matters.

[Zeevico]

Elhanan wrote...

And now for your posting entertainment:

Would you like your score in paragon/renegade points, influence, or friendship/rivalry?

I've been trying to find that other part with him in the restaurant playing it but it seems lost to the ether.

Modifié par Zeevico, 18 juin 2011 - 08:54 .

[Friera]

Im so happy! Happy!
I can´t wait for more DA2! Finally finishing Hawkes story. I guess Im a part of the "new" fan, who absolutly Im a total fan of the DA series.
I can see what is wrong with DA2 as well. But for me the companions, how the "questionsweel" worked and the "manus" of what they said was epic. I truly enjoyed the characters a lot more in DA2 than in Origin (with the exception of Alistar, whom I think is awesome)
What I am trying to say is that I really liked the companions a lot more, hwoever, the story, as well as the stupid reused map need some work. At least the dungeoun doesn´t wake frickin 3-4 hours to get trough, boring, as in DA:O. That would have killed me.

[Melca36]

Rojahar wrote...

dheer wrote...

Rojahar wrote...
I don't think there's anything "oversensitive" about wishing the forum environment wasn't so hostile and hateful toward anyone who doesn't hate the game.

This place is pretty damn hostile to anyone who didn't like the game as well. Quit pretending this all comes from one side.

Where are the overwhelming posts claiming that anyone who prefers DAO must be some unsophisticated console kiddy who's too dumb to know any better? It's said so much about DA2 fans that it's practically a meme.

Even if there are some people making such broad insulting claims (which would be wrong of them) toward those who prefer DAO... does that make it right for anyone to say such things about those who prefer DA2 or don't like DAO?

Like I said I have been called a HATER for giving DA:2 a 7/8 and a BLIND Fangirl for that same score.

IT GOES BOTH WAYS.

Also it would help if people did NOT bash Origins to get their point across.  Its NOT going to change people's opinions when one does that.

Modifié par Melca36, 18 juin 2011 - 09:09 .

[bEVEsthda]

MDT1 wrote...

I wouldn't mind so much the statement that it was a finacial success.
I mean they still made profit with it. Also 2/5 of the sales with 1/5 (don't know if this is true though) of the production costs of DAO isnt bad at all.

But that they always have to mention we who didn't like it are stuck in the past is sheer insulting.
ME+ME2 were "innovative" imo and I love them both, I even prefer ME2 for gameplay.
They are just overall higher quality products than DA2.

But as BioWare thinks that insulting is the best way to get a message through I'll try it:
DA2 is an innovative crapload of bull****.

I'll apologize for this outbreak if the BW "stuck in the past"-statments actually ment that expecting BW to delivier high quality games is a thing from the past and were not supposed to offend me personally.

There's a ticking time bomb deep inside those reflections on "financial success".

No matter the notion that they could have made more money with the same amount of effort, had the effort been different. No matter the notion that if they had kept the franchise more consistent, it might have grown one step further beyond DA:O, and DA3 might have grown even more, etc.

The time bomb is related to that. It considers how much the franchise is worth now. You see there's a vast amount of gamers out there who has the habit of NOT pre-ordering, but still buy the game because of previous experiences. So the total number of DA2 copies that DA:O sold is not at all just the 400,000 preorders. The real number is far higher. In my experience this type of customer outnumbers those who pre-order.

Just saying, so that the day DA3 arrives, not substantially changed from DA2 - more locations probably - and it only sells 70,000 copies, no one should be completely & totally surprised.

[lobi]

Ceramic teapots.

[KLUME777]

 "We think it was innovative. We're proud of the risks the team took. We think it's the right direction for the franchise."

Obviously they havn't payed any attention to feedback (not including the BioDrones, of coarse). Im defitely not buying a new copy of DA3 now. Getting it pre-owned, or not at all, but not because i'm tight on money, but because i'm voting with my dollars.

[Bejos_]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

People are taking this stuff WAY too personally. 

Perhaps people are taking it personally because EA/Bioware is making it personal.

[KLUME777]

Also, just look at the comments section of the site. It's clear that DA2 was not well received at all across the general internet.

Modifié par KLUME777, 18 juin 2011 - 09:55 .

[lobi]

Crochet placemats.

[MDT1]

bEVEsthda wrote...

There's a ticking time bomb deep inside those reflections on "financial success".

No matter the notion that they could have made more money with the same amount of effort, had the effort been different. No matter the notion that if they had kept the franchise more consistent, it might have grown one step further beyond DA:O, and DA3 might have grown even more, etc.

The time bomb is related to that. It considers how much the franchise is worth now. You see there's a vast amount of gamers out there who has the habit of NOT pre-ordering, but still buy the game because of previous experiences. So the total number of DA2 copies that DA:O sold is not at all just the 400,000 preorders. The real number is far higher. In my experience this type of customer outnumbers those who pre-order.

Just saying, so that the day DA3 arrives, not substantially changed from DA2 - more locations probably - and it only sells 70,000 copies, no one should be completely & totally surprised.

You are correct though I think BW sees the problem here that the game failed to reach the targeted newer and superiour fanbase. Superiour in the sense of easier to satisfy like more awesome moments with big explosions on the one hand but less refined, detailled and cost intensive poilishing at the other.
And yes they still target for a new fanbase, otherwise they wouldn't repeat how awesome they are and how retarded we are.

I personally don't expect DA3 to be closer to DAO but certainly more polished. BWs lesson from DA2 was that they can't get their new fanbase with the least possible effort but this doesn't mean they'll but nearly as much effort into DA3 as in DAO.

While I think its possible that this strategy will fail (and I certainly hope so) only DA3 can show that, everything is speculation untill then.

On a side note, EA has often proven that they at least aren't that interested in a franchises log time success but in its short time profit.

Modifié par MDT1, 18 juin 2011 - 10:02 .