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[Persephone]

Bejos_ wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
CDPR didn't do that, they didn't even have their forums up, they were conveniently down while a TW2 dev was posting here

So you're suggesting that they deliberately delayed a forum? Why?
Couldn't it possibly be due to genuine difficulties?

To paraphrase you. Conspiracy theories like that are beneath you Persephone.

I am not suggesting anything of the kind. Merely stating what I saw going on. Why their forums/servers were down is irrelevant, it might be for any reason.

Either way, CDPR sure knows how to work out a marketing strategy. Sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly at all.

I'm with Persephone on this one. (Surprise.)

CDPR didn't have a TW2 forum because they knew this would funnel customers toward gog.com, their sister company, which would earn their parent company lots more money.
I don't buy the CDPR-as-indie-developer-angels propaganda.

However, at least CDPR don't actively put out bad products. They genuinely try to take their time and provide a rich gaming experience. Bioware has abandoned any such philosophy, opting instead for shallowness and immediate gratification via buttons. (See how much I tried not to use that phrase, there?)

Agreed re: first paragraph.

Second one not so much. I love TW2 to bits (It's my GOTY...even decade) but Bioware has given me years of wonderful gaming experiences, their only slips being NWN1, Awakening and DAO DLCs. CDPR will have to try harder, MUCH harder to take their place in my heart.

[Gunderic]

Bejos_ wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
CDPR didn't do that, they didn't even have their forums up, they were conveniently down while a TW2 dev was posting here

So you're suggesting that they deliberately delayed a forum? Why?
Couldn't it possibly be due to genuine difficulties?

To paraphrase you. Conspiracy theories like that are beneath you Persephone.

I am not suggesting anything of the kind. Merely stating what I saw going on. Why their forums/servers were down is irrelevant, it might be for any reason.

Either way, CDPR sure knows how to work out a marketing strategy. Sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly at all.

I'm with Persephone on this one. (Surprise.)

CDPR didn't have a TW2 forum because they knew this would funnel customers toward gog.com, their sister company, which would earn their parent company lots more money.
I don't buy the CDPR-as-indie-developer-angels propaganda.

That... doesn't make any sense. Why would sending fans to GoG make you buy their games any faster when The Witcher 2 official site is already put up there for the same marketing purposes?

Possibly they couldn't handle the traffic because of the people who had problems with the game at launch or something.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bejos_ wrote...
CDPR didn't have a TW2 forum because they knew this would funnel customers toward gog.com, their sister company, which would earn their parent company lots more money.
I don't buy the CDPR-as-indie-developer-angels propaganda.

If that's true (which I kind of doubt), kudos to them. If it means they have more resources to make even better games, kudos for me.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 juin 2011 - 05:50 .

[Bejos_]

cmessaz wrote...

Fine you like TW better than DA2...I really don't care. But...I disagree. However I don't troll their forums (if they have a social network)

I would, but I can't stand all the bad English.
Also, liking TW more than one likes DA is not a valid reason to not visit BSN.
Again with the chasing away.

Must I leave because I like TW2 more than DA2?

Let's keep OT. This is about DA2.

[Gunderic]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Either way, CDPR sure knows how to work out a marketing strategy. Sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly at all.

I don't argue that CDprojekt shows love, or sincere dedication. I personally say, they are smart. And currently, smarter than Bioware.

And knowing when to switch between subtle and unsubtle is a sign of intelligence.

So far, all they managed to do in my case is annoy me. Their games I love. Their behavior I despise for the most part.

What could CDProjekt have possibly done?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Gunderic wrote...

Persephone wrote...
So far, all they managed to do in my case is annoy me. Their games I love. Their behavior I despise for the most part.

What could CDProjekt have possibly done?

They did make fun of Bioware on two occasions, or so it was interpretted.

I found it funny personally and nothing serious.

There is also an elf girl in Loc Muinne that if you pay 200 Orens to, can grow a beard like that of Hawke.
Which I interpret them saying that Hawke has the manliness of an elven woman

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 juin 2011 - 05:54 .

[Persephone]

Gunderic wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Either way, CDPR sure knows how to work out a marketing strategy. Sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly at all.

I don't argue that CDprojekt shows love, or sincere dedication. I personally say, they are smart. And currently, smarter than Bioware.

And knowing when to switch between subtle and unsubtle is a sign of intelligence.

So far, all they managed to do in my case is annoy me. Their games I love. Their behavior I despise for the most part.

What could CDProjekt have possibly done?

It's been discussed to death before. And rehashing it again serves no one. I'll not abandon their games because they really pulled all the stops after the original TW1 debacle. (Which was unplayable until the EE)

[Gunderic]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Persephone wrote...
So far, all they managed to do in my case is annoy me. Their games I love. Their behavior I despise for the most part.

What could CDProjekt have possibly done?

They did make fun of Bioware on two occasions, or so it was interpretted.

I found it funny personally and nothing serious.

There is also an elf girl in Loc Muinne that if you pay 200 Orens to, can grow a beard like that of Hawke.
Which I interpret them saying that Hawke has the manliness of an elven woman

I assume this one instance was "The Bard: Savior of Queens" and the other...? :happy:

[KnightofPhoenix]

Gunderic wrote...
I assume this one instance was "The Bard: Savior of Queens" and the other...? :happy:

There is also Marketing: Rise to Sales or something like that

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gunderic wrote...
I assume this one instance was "The Bard: Savior of Queens" and the other...? :happy:

There is also Marketing: Rise to Sales or something like that

Yes, oh so very amusing. Pardon me for not being amused by cheap shots.

Had Bioware done the same, you think people would go "LOL, awesome!"? No? I thought so.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gunderic wrote...
I assume this one instance was "The Bard: Savior of Queens" and the other...? :happy:

There is also Marketing: Rise to Sales or something like that

Yes, oh so very amusing. Pardon me for not being amused by cheap shots.

Had Bioware done the same, you think people would go "LOL, awesome!"? No? I thought so.

I'd be amused if Bioware did personally

I don't mind competition poking fun at each other.

[Aaleel]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gunderic wrote...
I assume this one instance was "The Bard: Savior of Queens" and the other...? :happy:

There is also Marketing: Rise to Sales or something like that

Yes, oh so very amusing. Pardon me for not being amused by cheap shots.

Had Bioware done the same, you think people would go "LOL, awesome!"? No? I thought so.

I'd be amused if Bioware did personally

I don't mind competition poking fun at each other.

I would be too.  If something is funny it's funny. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aaleel wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I'd be amused if Bioware did personally

I don't mind competition poking fun at each other.

I would be too.  If something is funny it's funny. 

Somewhat similar to TW2 poking fun at LOTR 
And Assassin's creed

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 juin 2011 - 06:07 .

[Persephone]

Aaleel wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gunderic wrote...
I assume this one instance was "The Bard: Savior of Queens" and the other...? :happy:

There is also Marketing: Rise to Sales or something like that

Yes, oh so very amusing. Pardon me for not being amused by cheap shots.

Had Bioware done the same, you think people would go "LOL, awesome!"? No? I thought so.

I'd be amused if Bioware did personally

I don't mind competition poking fun at each other.

I would be too.  If something is funny it's funny. 

So if Bioware poked fun at TW2 in an upcoming story DLC....there'd be no outrage? I'll believe it when I see it.

[Eski.Moe]

You're really getting upset about those small jabs? I chuckled and would find it funny if Bioware did something similar. Provided they have something to back up themselves with.

Modifié par Eski.Moe, 18 juin 2011 - 06:10 .

[Costin_Razvan]

So CDPR made fun of TW2 then a guy on metacrtic who works for Bioware gave TW2 a 0 score.

Yeah.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Eski.Moe wrote...

You're really getting upset about those small jabs? I chuckled and would find it funny if Bioware did something similar. Provided they have something to back up themselves.

Yup.

But even if they did poke fun and it's funny, I'd chuckle. There would be no outrage from me.

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So CDPR made fun of TW2 (DAII you mean?) then a guy on metacrtic who works for Bioware gave TW2 a 0 score.

Yeah.

Eh?

Proof?

[Aaleel]

Persephone wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gunderic wrote...
I assume this one instance was "The Bard: Savior of Queens" and the other...? :happy:

There is also Marketing: Rise to Sales or something like that

Yes, oh so very amusing. Pardon me for not being amused by cheap shots.

Had Bioware done the same, you think people would go "LOL, awesome!"? No? I thought so.

I'd be amused if Bioware did personally

I don't mind competition poking fun at each other.

I would be too.  If something is funny it's funny. 

So if Bioware poked fun at TW2 in an upcoming story DLC....there'd be no outrage? I'll believe it when I see it.

I can only speak for myself, and I wouldn't be upset, like I said if it's funny it's funny.  I doubt there'd be outrage though, but rather something more along the lines of "they're just mad because TW2 was everything DA2 should have been" types of posts.   

[Persephone]

Aaleel wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Gunderic wrote...
I assume this one instance was "The Bard: Savior of Queens" and the other...? :happy:

There is also Marketing: Rise to Sales or something like that

Yes, oh so very amusing. Pardon me for not being amused by cheap shots.

Had Bioware done the same, you think people would go "LOL, awesome!"? No? I thought so.

I'd be amused if Bioware did personally

I don't mind competition poking fun at each other.

I would be too.  If something is funny it's funny. 

So if Bioware poked fun at TW2 in an upcoming story DLC....there'd be no outrage? I'll believe it when I see it.

I can only speak for myself, and I wouldn't be upset, like I said if it's funny it's funny.  I doubt there'd be outrage though, but rather something more along the lines of "they're just mad because TW2 was everything DA2 should have been" types of posts.   

Except it wasn't for the most part.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aaleel wrote...
I can only speak for myself, and I wouldn't be upset, like I said if it's funny it's funny.  I doubt there'd be outrage though, but rather something more along the lines of "they're just mad because TW2 was everything DA2 should have been" types of posts.   

Depending on how they poke fun, I might be one of them.

If for instance Bioware wants to make fun of The Witcher by claiming that they don't do, say, political plots well (as in implying that they do). I'd laugh my ass off....at Bioware.

Actually that would be hilarious

[Dave of Canada]

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So CDPR made fun of TW2 (DAII you mean?) then a guy on metacrtic who works for Bioware gave TW2 a 0 score.

Yeah.

Eh?

Proof?

Bioware_Intern, DavidGaider and Mike_Faillaw2 on Metacritic gave it a 0. It's totally legit.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 18 juin 2011 - 06:17 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aaleel wrote...
I can only speak for myself, and I wouldn't be upset, like I said if it's funny it's funny.  I doubt there'd be outrage though, but rather something more along the lines of "they're just mad because TW2 was everything DA2 should have been" types of posts.   

Depending on how they poke fun, I might be one of them.

If for instance Bioware wants to make fun of The Witcher by claiming that they don't do, say, political plots well (as in implying that they do). I'd laugh my ass off....at Bioware.

You really can't give Bioware ANY credit these days, eh?

[cmessaz]

Bejos_ wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Fine you like TW better than DA2...I really don't care. But...I disagree. However I don't troll their forums (if they have a social network)

I would, but I can't stand all the bad English.
Also, liking TW more than one likes DA is not a valid reason to not visit BSN.
Again with the chasing away.

Must I leave because I like TW2 more than DA2?

Let's keep OT. This is about DA2.

Yes...because I CLEARLY said leave BSN. <.<

But people can't say their piece then...you know...move on? I can't even get info on the new book, etc without the crap.  And who is being chased off? ME! I have been avoiding the general discussion forums for months because of it, and guess what?! So have many others. So I think it's the opposite really. Good grief...the patch thread.(before it's release) They are keeping us updated on the progress. And even there "well you are taking too long TW2 is better". My profile isn't even safe! I mean...when is it enough? 

Edit: Maybe I'm not expressing what I mean clearly. I have no issue with constructive critisizm. But to act as though they "owe you" or..."failed to produce a good game" based on your opinion, or to knock people who disagree, is what I have issue with. And no one can deny this happens.

Modifié par cmessaz, 18 juin 2011 - 06:26 .

[Persephone]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So CDPR made fun of TW2 (DAII you mean?) then a guy on metacrtic who works for Bioware gave TW2 a 0 score.

Yeah.

Eh?

Proof?

Bioware_Intern, DavidGaider and Mike_Faillaw2 on Metacritic gave it a 0. It's totally legit.

Ah, I see. Of course, that is ENTIRELY legit.