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[Persephone]

Merilsell wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

"But also there were a lot of fans of the original Dragon Age: Origins who weren't as happy with it. Maybe they were looking for more of the same, and it was different and innovative in ways they weren't expecting.

Because obviously that was the problem with DA2. The fans.

Sigh. Just sigh.

That's so NOT what he is saying.

But keep twisting his words if it makes you feel better.<_<

Sorry, but that's exactly what they're doing.  "Some people just can't handle our brilliance" is no way to acknowledge an angry fanbase.

That's not what they are saying at all. What do you want them to do, given that you obviously go for extremes? Cry MEA CULPA while bashing DAII in PRESS RELEASES?

Leave those sentences simply out while giving an interview, perhaps? Dunno, might have improved the whole thing immensely, if they would stop raving about how people can't handle the (brilliant) changes they have made.

Just saying.

There are always more diplomatic ways to phrase things, no argument there. But there are also more diplomatic ways of giving feedback, Meri. Like....not putting words in their mouths.

P.S. Mahariel is not a clan name.

[Addai]

Persephone wrote...
That's not what they are saying at all. What do you want them to do, given that you obviously go for extremes? Cry MEA CULPA while bashing DAII in PRESS RELEASES?

They could try being honest.  Obviously they told people behind the scenes what the real deal was- like Inon Zur, who said they rushed it because they were trying to capitalize on Origins' success.  So they could admit that for business reasons they tried to go cheapskate and it backfired.

The "innovation" line is especially egregious since all they really did is copy ME.  If anything, Bioware is homogenizing their RPGs, not innovating.

[Nerevar-as]

Bejos_ wrote...

The only people who are buying this "innovation" as actual innovation, are the 12 year olds who don't know any better. That's it. Anyone older knows well enough (or should; and those who don't, by now, are fair game, I guess) that there is absolutely no innovation and the company's just bull****ting them.

If they can't say anything definitive and constructive about where they intend to take DA3-- and vague sentences like "We're going to make improvements" does not fly-- they should just stop talking about the product. They have nothing new to add. It's all just, "People don't appreciate our brilliance", "People are backwards", "Our new fans liked this".
Those words adress absolutely nothing, with respect to the game.

Said people are the ones buying, not EA shareholders. Yet they seem more worried about the latter. Bussiness world must be really mad.

[hoorayforicecream]

RageGT wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

The majority of the disk space on any game is taken up by art and sound assets. Models, animations, textures, sounds, voices, music, maps, etc. all take up far more space (especially in higher resolution) than any amount of code, which is typically just text that gets compiled and compressed down to binaries.

Any large patches you see are typically changing or adding art or sound, since you can't just change part of a texture, animation or sound file. You have to replace the entire thing.

Thanks for clarifying that to me. I still love bigh patches though. =) (and they tend to get bigger because they should include all previous fixes in the latest patch, right?)

Not always. Some publishers keep a full patcher that has all of the previous data in it and checks your current version and brings you up to date, others will sometimes do incremental patches (1.00 to 1.01, 1.01 to 1.02, etc.) that require sequential patches. It mostly has to do with certification and QA time, since it takes longer to test, certify and publish a patch that has to check for versions 1.00 through 1.13 and bring it up to 1.14 (especially if we're talking about X360 or PS3, since the patches need to pass Microsoft and Sony certification too). With those big version updates, you need to test it on every single previous version and fix any bugs that may crop up with the installer each time, and if it's on PC, you need to try it across a variety of systems.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bejos_ wrote...
The only people who are buying this "innovation" as actual innovation, are the 12 year olds who don't know any better. That's it.

<_<
Please stop.

[Persephone]

Bejos_ wrote...

The only people who are buying this "innovation" as actual innovation, are the 12 year olds who don't know any better. That's it.

Really?

I am 12 years old.....good to know.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Addai67 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
That's not what they are saying at all. What do you want them to do, given that you obviously go for extremes? Cry MEA CULPA while bashing DAII in PRESS RELEASES?

They could try being honest.  Obviously they told people behind the scenes what the real deal was- like Inon Zur, who said they rushed it because they were trying to capitalize on Origins' success.  So they could admit that for business reasons they tried to go cheapskate and it backfired.

The "innovation" line is especially egregious since all they really did is copy ME.  If anything, Bioware is homogenizing their RPGs, not innovating.

Quoted for Truth. It always amazes me when outside sources, be it voice actors or composers on the project come right out and say "yes the game was rushed to cash in" and you got the DA2 fanboys with fingers in their ears going "la la la I can't hear you" 

Hell it's so freaking obvious to begin with that DA2 was an attempt to rush a sequel out in order to cash in on the 4 million+ in sales Origin had.  Guess that lil plan backfired.

[Nerdage]

MorrigansLove wrote...

nerdage wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Alpha Protocol did everything that is in DA2 BETTER and it came out FIRST. It is obviously the better game(not technically, though).

Somebody prove me wrong.

Do I need facts, or can I just substitute my opinion for fact like you did?

Whatever floats your boat.

BG was better than both, if they had any sense they'd make more like that.

[Persephone]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
That's not what they are saying at all. What do you want them to do, given that you obviously go for extremes? Cry MEA CULPA while bashing DAII in PRESS RELEASES?

They could try being honest.  Obviously they told people behind the scenes what the real deal was- like Inon Zur, who said they rushed it because they were trying to capitalize on Origins' success.  So they could admit that for business reasons they tried to go cheapskate and it backfired.

The "innovation" line is especially egregious since all they really did is copy ME.  If anything, Bioware is homogenizing their RPGs, not innovating.

Quoted for Truth. It always amazes me when outside sources, be it voice actors or composers on the project come right out and say "yes the game was rushed to cash in" and you got the DA2 fanboys with fingers in their ears going "la la la I can't hear you" 

Are you done with the name-calling now?

[upsettingshorts]

I believe DA2 was rushed to capitalize on DAO's success and I still prefer many aspects of it to DAO.

It's not a question of denial, it is, as it was even before launch - simply, from a consumer perspective - one of preference.

That I or any other fan of DA2 could agree with some criticisms, though not all, of the game is not indicative of anything more than that.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 juin 2011 - 06:47 .

[Bejos_]

I have a question for everyone:

After all of this condescension, are you still going to buy DA3?

Even if you liked DA2, doesn't the manner in which Bioware is handling all of this put you off?

[DragonRageGT]

Persephone wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

The only people who are buying this "innovation" as actual innovation, are the 12 year olds who don't know any better. That's it.

Really?

I am 12 years old.....good to know.

Aw come on. We know you love the game, you've always said so and at least I respect that. I kinda enjoyed it while still wouldn't put it on the same level as Origins. But I don't remember you saying you thought DA2 was "innovative". Did you? Really?

[Oopsieoops]

RageGT wrote...
And these forums may very well be used as an accurate sampling. I don't think they hear more than 5% of a country population and election pools are quite accurate. I've never answered one. Have any of you? There were 500k people registered here after Origins, I imagine that number increased a lot with DA2 "promotion" here and on FB. What I really doubt is that DA2 has been that successful with  "A LOT" of Origins fans. It's clearly a real small number of people who love Origins and love DA2 just as much or more, like Persephone, one of a kind.

Actually, it's even less than 5%. I'm over simplifying a bit, but as long as the sample pool is balanced (meaning segments aren't over- nor under-represented proportionally to each other), it doesn't really matter how much % of the population the sample is. The only question about the reliability of forums is if it is a biased pool. E.g. do forums attract more people who disliked the game than people who liked it (or vice versa)?

Modifié par Oopsieoops, 17 juin 2011 - 06:49 .

[Persephone]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I believe DA2 was rushed to capitalize on DAO's success and I still prefer many aspects of it to DAO.

It's not a question of denial, it is, as it was even before launch - simply, from a fan perspective, one of subjective preference in many of the cases.

That I or any other fan of DA2 could agree with some criticisms, though not all, of the game is not indicative of anything more than that.

Pretty much how I feel as well. I've said it several times....an additional 6 months of dev time would have done DAII a world of good.

Do I still love it? Yes. Am I looking forward to these story DLC hopefully addressing some of the problems I had with the game?

YES!!!!!

[Nerevar-as]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Quoted for Truth. It always amazes me when outside sources, be it voice actors or composers on the project come right out and say "yes the game was rushed to cash in" and you got the DA2 fanboys with fingers in their ears going "la la la I can't hear you" 

Hell it's so freaking obvious to begin with that DA2 was an attempt to rush a sequel out in order to cash in on the 4 million+ in sales Origin had.  Guess that lil plan backfired.

We´ll know from DA3 sales. I can´t wait to see if marketing will also consist of how flawed DA2 was as they did with Origins - probably not a good idea considering the game was quite liked by most players.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I believe DA2 was rushed to capitalize on DAO's success and I still prefer many aspects of it to DAO.

It's not a question of denial, it is, as it was even before launch - simply, from a consumer perspective - one of preference.

That I or any other fan of DA2 could agree with some criticisms, though not all, of the game is not indicative of anything more than that.

There's a difference between admitting some criticisms are valid AP, then there's people like Rin and the like who continually praise the game as the next coming of RPG's. Which is isn't.

[Persephone]

RageGT wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Bejos_ wrote...

The only people who are buying this "innovation" as actual innovation, are the 12 year olds who don't know any better. That's it.

Really?

I am 12 years old.....good to know.

Aw come on. We know you love the game, you've always said so and at least I respect that. I kinda enjoyed it while still wouldn't put it on the same level as Origins. But I don't remember you saying you thought DA2 was "innovative". Did you? Really?

No, I didn't use that word.

[upsettingshorts]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

There's a difference between admitting some criticisms are valid AP, then there's people like Rin and the like who continually praise the game as the next coming of RPG's. Which is isn't.

I obviously cannot speak for everyone - for example Rin.  

[Nerdage]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Hell it's so freaking obvious to begin with that DA2 was an attempt to rush a sequel out...

Clearly it didn't have enough development time, hard to argue with that.

...in order to cash in on the 4 million+ in sales Origin had.  Guess that lil plan backfired.

Pure supposition.

[Persephone]

Bejos_ wrote...

I have a question for everyone:

After all of this condescension, are you still going to buy DA3?

Even if you liked DA2, doesn't the manner in which Bioware is handling all of this put you off?

No. I don't buy games based on a dev studio's behavior. I buy games because I enjoy them. That's why I bought TW2 even though I am really not fond of CDPR's juvenile antics.

Besides, Bioware hasn't condescended to me. You have. :innocent:

[Tsuga C]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
...

It always amazes me when outside sources, be it voice actors or composers on the project come right out and say "yes the game was rushed to cash in" and you got the DA2 fanboys with fingers in their ears going "la la la I can't hear you" 

Hell it's so freaking obvious to begin with that DA2 was an attempt to rush a sequel out in order to cash in on the 4 million+ in sales Origin had.  Guess that lil plan backfired.

Honesty from EAWare and an admission like you're asking for would be a small step in the right direction, but as EAWare isn't the BioWare of old I don't think such an admission will be forthcoming. 

[MorrigansLove]

nerdage wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

nerdage wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Alpha Protocol did everything that is in DA2 BETTER and it came out FIRST. It is obviously the better game(not technically, though).

Somebody prove me wrong.

Do I need facts, or can I just substitute my opinion for fact like you did?

Whatever floats your boat.

BG was better than both, if they had any sense they'd make more like that.

+100 Friendship.

[Salaya]

Bejos_ wrote...

I have a question for everyone:

After all of this condescension, are you still going to buy DA3?

Even if you liked DA2, doesn't the manner in which Bioware is handling all of this put you off?

My first impulse is not to buy it. I dont like how they are handling the criticism (not only from forums). And by that, I mean that everything seems to indicate that DA3 will be even more simplified.

But, honestly, I think that would be childish. I'll try it and then decide. 

[Brockololly]

Bejos_ wrote...
Even if you liked DA2, doesn't the manner in which Bioware is handling all of this put you off?

Sure and I think a large part of the problem with DA2 has been the disconnect in how it was hyped up pre-release and how that compared to the final product. 

Really, if BioWare can make DA3 a great game or make some DA2 DLC actually address issues, great. But there is no way in hell I'm going to pre-order or blind buy any of that because I just do not trust anything that they say after the hack job of DA2's marketing. That goes for BioWare at large really, and not just DA.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bejos_ wrote...

I have a question for everyone:

After all of this condescension, are you still going to buy DA3?

Even if you liked DA2, doesn't the manner in which Bioware is handling all of this put you off?

DA3 is not going to be a blind buy for me, no. My trust in the quality that Bioware provides has greatly diminished. I'll wait till after launch and see.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 juin 2011 - 06:59 .