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[Malarkey101]

 Considering that the invasion of Earth begins at the start of the game, at least im assuming it does. How long exactly can we spend running around the galaxy looking for reinforcements before its to late to do anything?

[shnizzler93]

Yes. And I'm assuming about 36 hours, but it will differ with each person.

[Akizora]

Considering the premise of the entire game is to save earth and defeat the reapers, I would assume it doesn't get destroyed...I don't think they will punish us for spending more time preparing to fight the reapers, sidequests are supposed to be there for a player to enjoy and not skip.

Modifié par Akizora, 17 juin 2011 - 05:04 .

[Wereparrot]

Long enough, if the invasion of Ilos is anything to go by. Decades probably, according to Vigil.

[jamesp81]

I'm almost certain there will be plenty Earth left to save.

If the Reapers simply wanted to destroy Earth, they could do that in 12 hours with an orbital bombardment. They don't want that; they want to harvest the human race, and that takes a long time. The reveal trailer said 9 million were killed the first week. At that rate, it would take 20 years to reap the whole Earth; I suspect that weekly death toll will steadily rise as things go on. Vigil also indicated that it took centuries to completely exterminate the Protheans.

Reaping takes time. So you'll have time to put together a trainload of whoopass and bring it back with you.

[Malarkey101]

Thats a good point with the 9 million killed in the first week there jamesp81 and the rate of culling disturbing but a good point all the same!!

[knightnblu]

If the Earth has a population of 11 billion and the Reapers are taking out humans at a rate of 7 million per week, we have slightly more than 30 years before the human race is removed from planet Earth. Unless Shepard really drags his feet, I think that there will be an Earth left to save. (11 billion / 7 million) / 52 is approximately equal to 30

Indoctrination, husks, genetic monstrosities, notwithstanding.

[jamesp81]

To be fair, I'd expect the death toll to rise steadily as they get established. Get more indoctrinated thralls, get their smoothy machines set up, etc, and I'd bet you'll see an exponential progression on the death rate.

Still, the point is Reaping doesn't happen overnight, so Shepard, the Grand Galactic Badass, will have time to round up sufficient allies to evict them from the Earth while there's still something left worth saving.

[Shepard Lives]

Since the marketing people are so sternly convinced that "take back Earth" is somehow more epic than "take back the whole mother loving galaxy", I'd say we'll get a fair shot at saving the Mostly Harmless Planet.

Or maybe not. False advertising is fun.

[shadowreflexion]

Malarkey101 wrote...

 Considering that the invasion of Earth begins at the start of the game, at least im assuming it does. How long exactly can we spend running around the galaxy looking for reinforcements before its to late to do anything?

Many assume that it's going to be an easy job for the Reapers to just fly in, land, and start killing the population. These are the same people who in the past have fought wars based on resources, who had rebellions from slaves, who tried to conquer each other over governments. It will not be as easy as the Reapers thought. Liara once told Shep that the galatic community perceives humanity as bullies. Later on Liara expresses that humanity aren't bullies but a people with a will to get things done. It's going to be one hell off a fight so that may take years. If the military is destroyed, they'll have to contend with rebels. The process is going to take a while. In ME3, racing across the galaxy while the home planet fights for survival won't be so bad. Believe me that when Shep and crew get back to retake the planet, there will be people still shooting, maybe even visible survivors running and it'll be no different than WW1, WW2, Vietnam, etc etc. And when that Mattock raises and Shep takes aim, the Reapers will look at Shep as if he was "Keyser Soze". And that's when Shep would show these Reapers of will what will really is.

For those unfamilar with the famous Keyser Soze, here's a link. Fast forward to 2:08 to watch the story.
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par shadowreflexion, 18 juin 2011 - 08:16 .

[ME-ParaShep]

In one of the trailers where the British soldier was narrating the situation. He said "Two million dead in the first day and another 7 million by the first week." Assuming Earth holds 6-7 billion people that time. I'll estimate 6.5 billion people and if the Reapers kill/capture 2 million people a day, that leaves us 3,250 days to save Earth before there are 0 people left. Convert that to years and you have almost 9 years to save Earth before the last person on Earth is dead. However that's assuming that people don't evacuate the planet or if the Reapers don't hasten their killing sprees.. I imagine that nearly a couple billion will evacuate and I'll give the Reapers the benefit of the doubt that they'll kill more than 2 million people a day. Maybe 2.5 million people a day. So 4 billion people are left on Earth and 2.5 million people dead/captured per day. That makes 1,600 days to save Earth before there are 0 people left on Earth or 4.38 or 4.4 years to retake Earth before the last person dies. I imagine that it'll take a great effort of a few months worth to end the war. Hopefully so there'll still be plenty of Earth and people left to save. Hopefully around 2/3 of the planets population will still be alive by the time we finish the fight.

[Malarkey101]

[/quote]Many assume that it's going to be an easy job for the Reapers to just fly in, land, and start killing the population. 

[/quote]

Well remember the damage that Saren and Soverign did against the citidel in ME1

[Paulinius]

The 2 million dead in the first day, 7 million by the end of the first week quote is attributed just to London.

He then says right after that, reports are coming in from other major cities.

In the Alliance News Network trailer, the German TV anchor reports 2.88 million dead in Hamburg alone.

At that rate, all major cities will quickly be depopulated.

Plus, with thousands of Reapers and their indoctrination fields, I'm betting most of the population is going to be indoctrinated.

[przemichal]

Paulinius wrote...
Plus, with thousands of Reapers and their indoctrination fields, I'm betting most of the population is going to be indoctrinated.

Hey! I just came up with an idea! If what you said is true and my Reaper theory is true (that THE REAPERS STARTED WITH INDOCTRINATION), then the final choice of ME3 may be a choice between killing every indoctrinated person to prevent the Reapers' re-creation after the war (this would mean killing every person on Earth I guess) or sparing those indoctrinated. Pure renegade vs paragon, it seems to me, just like in two previous games.
What do you think?

[candidate88766]

Maybe the massive twist is that no matter what you do Earth cannot be saved. Your actions help decide the fate of the rest of the galaxy, perhaps ensuring humanity can just about limp on, but Earth falls regardless.

[GuiltySource]

I can see it now. All Reapers on earth, Shepard destroys Mass Relay, Earth, Reapers and anything in-between.

[przemichal]

candidate88766 wrote...

Maybe the massive twist is that no matter what you do Earth cannot be saved. Your actions help decide the fate of the rest of the galaxy, perhaps ensuring humanity can just about limp on, but Earth falls regardless.

Or it may be only a consequence of a bigger twist. Anyway, it's said that in ME3 we're going to win through sacrifices. Sacrificing Earth - but not in a cliche way - is a good example of sacrifice, especially because it's emotionally engaging when you realize that no matter what you do to save it, it will be lost.

[shadowreflexion]

[quote]Malarkey101 wrote...


[/quote]Many assume that it's going to be an easy job for the Reapers to just fly in, land, and start killing the population. 

[/quote]

Well remember the damage that Saren and Soverign did against the citidel in ME1

[/quote]OK, before this draws out. The way the Citadel was attacked and the races fled has bearing on only what one would expect if the battle for Earth stayed in the skies. Now you have the Reapers coming to Earth with a slightly different stratagy from how they attacked the Citadel. The people on Earth are not about to just lay down and be taken without a last stand in as many words. Sovereign and the Geth fought an air war the majority of the battle on the Citadel. Now the Reapers are landing on a world where the species are very much hostile when it comes to an invasion. Even in The First Contact war, the Turians didn't attack Earth, they attacked the colony. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/First_Contact_War 

It's like fighting a land war in another country when that country already has an advantage due to knowing the terrain. War will be fought and the Reapers will be held for a while as they continue to attack but Earth still has the home team advantage. The Reapers are powerful and do possess the most advanced tech but wars are never fought with ease as many think. Take note of the sniper in the first ME3 official trailer. Hurt, standing alone and still fighting, that's war. until that final blow is dealt then Earth and the remaining population will continue to fight.

The poster below my orignal post gives a pretty detailed account of hypothetical losses Earth would suffer. Bottom line, Earth will not fall as easily as the Citadel. It was war in space but not on the ground.

Modifié par shadowreflexion, 18 juin 2011 - 01:27 .

[Malarkey101]

How is the citadel fight not a fight on the ground how many geth did you have to fight through to reach Saren, yes ill give you that the battle wasnt the same scale as the battle for earth was but the citadel fight was 1 reaper not the hundreds we see invading earth.

[shadowreflexion]

Malarkey101 wrote...

How is the citadel fight not a fight on the ground how many geth did you have to fight through to reach Saren, yes ill give you that the battle wasnt the same scale as the battle for earth was but the citadel fight was 1 reaper not the hundreds we see invading earth.

It'll be easier to have this debate if you quote me. The attack on the Citadel from Sovereign came from the sky. You fought the geth on the ground, not Sovereign. You fought Saren on the ground, not Sovereign. The combined forces hit Sovereign with everything they had from the air as well when Sovereign became stationary. on the pillar.

What was originally said by me was that an all out ground war would be very hard for the Reapers to just swoop in and eradicate every human. The human nature is to fight even when facing insurmountable odds. If you don't believe that, take the time and read about real wars. That's not me being sarcastic but it is a fact. If you want to believe that the fight would be easy for the Reapers then so be it. I've read your replies and I've understood them I don't expect everyone to do the same.

But as I had asked of you before, the poster below my original reply was very close in calculations on how long it would take to conquer mankind. I can't make you see that nor will I try. Sovereign's strategy was very effective from orbit but fighting on ground requires a completely different strategy and it won't be easy especially if you have a race of people who would rather die than be slaves or who won't stop fighting until they are killed. Humanity just doesn't roll over and give up. So the Reapers would need a strategy other than trying to overwhelm.