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[DA_GamerGal]

I have played through DA2 about 5 times now and although I love(d) playing the game, I have a problem with Hawke's lack of concern for her/his fellow Fereldens that had also fled to Kirkwall, and were living- and being viewed/treated as-second class citizens.

Yes, my PC was able to increase the salary of those Fereldens that worked in the Bone Pit, but that was it... there were no other quests (side or otherwise)... no conversations... no codex entries, that showed that Hawke had even tried to help the plight of her countrymen.

Maybe it's just me, but I would have loved the option to be able to help the other Fereldens living in Kirkwall to have a better life, and not just worry about myself and my immediate family members.
 
I mean what's the point of having money and power, if you can't help your fellow man? Or in Hawke's case... her/his fellow Fereldens.

Edited for spelling: I realized I forgot the "e" in Hawke. My son's Wampanog name is "Hawk" so I'm used to always spelling the name "Hawk" without an "e".

Modifié par krissyjf, 18 juin 2011 - 01:17 .

[Wulfram]

You can donate at Lirene's imports in Act 1. And in act 2 you can give money to that woman who goes crazy in Act 3.

And I also think the missing years should be taken as an invitation to use your imagination. The came can't tell you what your Hawke would spend his time on in the intervals, so it's up to you.

[DA_GamerGal]

Wulfram wrote...

You can donate at Lirene's imports in Act 1. And in act 2 you can give money to that woman who goes crazy in Act 3.

And I also think the missing years should be taken as an invitation to use your imagination. The came can't tell you what your Hawke would spend his time on in the intervals, so it's up to you.

Yes, I did donate money each time.  And I also did imagine that my PC was helping those that were less fortunate then her- especially those who were Ferelden.

I guess my gripe is that I thought the game should have addressed this in some way, shape, or form... especially since your PC was subjected to so many comments about Fereldens as she/he walked around Kirkwall. Why make a point of showing just how much Fereldens are looked down-upon and even hated (as well as mistreated by the natives of Kirkwall), but then not allow your PC to do anything about it, within the game itself?

[whykikyouwhy]

I agree that a couple of additional Fereldan-based side quests would have been nice. However, I think Hawke's focus was his/her family. The game starts with the escape from Lothering - the struggle to get to Kirkwall where Leandra expects to be able to resume some shred of her old life (i.e. have security once again). The prologue and Act 1 are all about getting the family out of the hovel and into some semblence of normalcy. Then, of course, at the end of Act 1, the family becomes fragmented. I always figured Hawke was sympathetic to the plight of his/her fellow refugees, but family and blood came first.

[Torax]

Keep also in mind what sorts of acts Hawke had to put effort into so they had money at all. Meanwhile others just resorted to sitting and begging. There are those that deserve help and others who do not in my opinion. The side quest if you sided with the smugglers before act 1 as an example. Letting that boy leave the city with his sisters to hopefully find work on a farm outside Kirkwall. But also keep in mind the Fereldons are looked down on just like all the others in Darktown. It's not just Fereldons there. Sure some will hate the Fereldons for being newer to the area. But they're not the only down trodden and ignored. Infact to strictly just focus on the plight of the Fereldons is wrong. The separation of classes and wealth was one of the things the Arishok loathed. This is not unique to just the newly arrived Fereldons...

Edited to add this thought I should have included.

Help those that at least are working to better to their position in life. Not those standing around expecting things to be given to them. Why I'd help the boy who was trying to do a man's job so he could support his sisters but not some begger just standing around in Darktown. I do give gold the young boys after killing their crazy apostate friend. But that is because as young as they are, even manual labor jobs wouldn't hire them. Beggers meanwhile don't deserve help to me. Maybe I just don't have sympathy for the lazy.

Modifié par Torax, 17 juin 2011 - 10:15 .

[jackpericles]

On my 1st playthrough, I hoped something like this had been implemented. I thought (hoped is a better word in retrospect) that part of my rise to champion could involve helping/uniting Ferelden refugees.
The comment from the elf father in the Magistrate's Quest kind of reinforced that. He says something along the lines of 'Elves not getting justice.' I thought, yeah, I'll be the little guy's champion. So much for that.

[Sanarion]

I just wish the crazy Possessed Aposate woman would at least acknowledge it...throw away line, whatever, if you give her money in Act 2.

[DA_GamerGal]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

 I always figured Hawke was sympathetic to the plight of his/her fellow refugees, but family and blood came first.

I agree with that statement, but after Hawke returned from the Deep Roads, her/his family had the financial security that they had been striving for... so why not start helping other Ferelden refugees to achieve some level of sucess in Kirkwall?

Yes, I realize that this really isn't the focus of the game, but it would have been nice to be able to portray Hawke as the type of Champion that didn't forget her/his roots and had a sincere desire to make things better for those less fortunate than her/him.

But then again, Hawke really couldn't make a difference with the conflict between the Templars and the Circle, so she/he probably would have been fighting another losing battle between the Ferelden refugees and the native people of Kirkwall.

[Satyricon331]

Yeah, one of the disappointments I had was how Hawke didn't seem to champion anyone, except arguably at the end, where really it was circumstances that boxed her/him in. I would have respected the character more if after lucking out s/he didn't, to all appearances, live life so self-centeredly regardless of the roleplayer's preferences. Contrary to a prior poster's comments, it's not as if the beggars have any opportunities for advancement there. Someone who's been eating roots and breathing chokedamp isn't going to be in a position for manual labor, even in the highly unlikely situation there's sufficient demand for it.

[DA_GamerGal]

Sanarion wrote...

I just wish the crazy Possessed Aposate woman would at least acknowledge it...throw away line, whatever, if you give her money in Act 2.

I know! Every single time I passed by her, I always gave her money without fail and I never got so much as a "Thank You". 

It's funny how you notice little things like that in a game... must mean we're playing it way too much.

[DA_GamerGal]

jackpericles wrote...

On my 1st playthrough, I hoped something like this had been implemented. I thought (hoped is a better word in retrospect) that part of my rise to champion could involve helping/uniting Ferelden refugees.
The comment from the elf father in the Magistrate's Quest kind of reinforced that. He says something along the lines of 'Elves not getting justice.' I thought, yeah, I'll be the little guy's champion. So much for that.

I had the same feeling... I even felt bad that Hawke received money (despite me never asking for any) for helping the elf father.

[dragonflight288]

It would even be a nice way to rise in power in Kirkwall. Maybe building his own private force made entirely of Fereldan refugees. Have them act as mercenaries to earn coin, rent them out as bodyguards, and eventually build a force to rival the templars or the guards.

[TJPags]

Well, first, Hawke's kind of useless in general.

Second, in Act 1, while trying to get on my feet, I wouldn't be helping them either.

Not sure I would in Act 2, either - not sure I really feel any affinity for someone just because they're from the same country. I mean, none of them helped Hawke at all, either, really.

Maybe I'm just odd like that, but I care about people for what they do, not for where they're from.

[KnightofPhoenix]

TJPags wrote...
Not sure I would in Act 2, either - not sure I really feel any affinity for someone just because they're from the same country. I mean, none of them helped Hawke at all, either, really.

Maybe I'm just odd like that, but I care about people for what they do, not for where they're from.

In Act 2, you're a noble. You're saying you would not patronize an obvious powerbase?

At least give us the option. And not by sending them to an obviously haunted mine that everyone says is haunted.

[TJPags]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Not sure I would in Act 2, either - not sure I really feel any affinity for someone just because they're from the same country. I mean, none of them helped Hawke at all, either, really.

Maybe I'm just odd like that, but I care about people for what they do, not for where they're from.

In Act 2, you're a noble. You're saying you would not patronize an obvious powerbase?

At least give us the option. And not by sending them to an obviously haunted mine that everyone says is haunted.

The phrase "patronize a powerbase" implies using them, to me.  Which I consider to be something different than halping them

Would I use them in that way?  Absolutely.

Would I do it simply to help them?  Absolutely not.

[Huntress]

Well My hawke helped them with the gold coins, but really, the more you help someone the worst it get, they become lazy and come back to you for more. If it was possible to actually help them should have been making boats and sending back to Ferelden for them to start a new life.