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[Dragonella1]

 
Let's speculate: haw people in Thedas would describe a war between mages and templars 100 years later:

• a tragic and chaotic struggle that weaken Thedas in face of real thread.
• beginning of the Magic Control Controversy (DA version of The Investiture Controversy) the most significant conflict between states and Chantry that reshaped secular kings and Chantry relation
• important step in the Chantry reformation
• an attempt to establish magocracy (and rebuilt ancient Teventer Imperium)
• a tragic conflict without any effect on future of Thedas
• or maybe something else.

Any ideas?

[sphinxess]

The barbaric times before the enlightenment of the Qun came to all Thedas.

[ddv.rsa]

Probably depends on the player.

[Dragonella1]

sphinxess wrote...

The barbaric times before the enlightenment of the Qun came to all Thedas.

 
So my first possibility listed, seen from the real thread point of view.

[dragonflight288]

I suppose the outlook would depend entirely on the outcome. If the mages win the war, Thedas would look at the Chantry as corrupt and stood in the way of freedom. Should the templars win, people would see the mages as dangerous and deserving of being locked up. History is written by the victors, after all. The bragging rights are simply spoils of war.

[MinotaurWarrior]

sphinxess wrote...

The barbaric times before the enlightenment of the Qun came to all Thedas.

The circles only exist in southern, non-Tevinter Thedas, fairly far away from the Qunari. Though the Qun could possibly take some more lands in one hundred years, I don't think they'd be able to use this conflict to sweep the heretics away, and if the mages end up winning, that could actually make things more difficult for the Antom. Mages are the only thing the empires of man have going for them.

[Dave of Canada]

Mages without a leader, without a true united force, without public approval and without much support in terms of food / supplies / equipment are most likely going to be stopped before a hundred or so years.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 18 juin 2011 - 07:36 .

[HSHAW]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mages without a leader, without a true united force, without public approval and without much support in terms of food / supplies / equipment are most likely going to be stopped before a hundred or so years.

This is why the most likely outcome is that either the war gets interrupted or the Templars take some serious casualties in Asunder (quite possible since according to its summary something is killing Templars in the Templar HQ of white tower).

[Mickespel]

There is a third "faction" in this conflict, Circles that reform rather then revolt. So the question is what side won the war, any of the extremist factions or the more sensible ones that did their best to stay out of it.

The Circle of Ferelden seems to be on the way to become a more harmonious Circle since Uldreds blowout that probably left few troublemakers alive. Commander Gregoire seem to have transferred away templars unsuitable to stay in the tower, like Cullen, probably due to PTSD (Post traumatic stress disorder). .

This leaves us with three possible ways to deal with mages:

The Meredith way: Concentration camps.
The Tevinter way: Power to the Powerful!
Reformed Circles: Cirles are "mage academies" there to make sure that mages know how to safely handle their powers, they are in no way prisoners thou. Once Harrowing are past, the mage can move wherever they want to live on their own as long as the authorities know about it.

My guess is are some variant of the third option, and seriously even Tevinter probably have some way to deal with corrupt mages so some safeguards are needed.

Modifié par Mickespel, 18 juin 2011 - 02:53 .

[Dragonella1]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I suppose the outlook would depend entirely on the outcome. If the mages win the war, Thedas would look at the Chantry as corrupt and stood in the way of freedom. Should the templars win, people would see the mages as dangerous and deserving of being locked up. History is written by the victors, after all. The bragging rights are simply spoils of war.

 
You are right that the history would be written by victors – question is who it would be. The other case is if rest of Thedas (especially secular governments) would just sit and make bets on winner or got involved.
The scenario I would expect is :
Some kings see in Kirkwall disaster and rebellion possibility to press The Divine on powder other mages in their realm then there are too possibilities:
1. the Divine in face of rebellion she can't no longer control and fearing loosing loyalty of kings and nobility agrees
secular governments are solving mage rebellion and policy problem, probably differently in different counties depending on local leader views and level of radicalism of Circle but in most cases with some increase of freedom for mages.
The Chantry although politically weaken remains main moral authority. Most mages concerning problem are now problems of kings and Chantry may play loving mother and influence politics with more subtle methods than before.
2. the Divine refuses
Propaganda war starts, a few kings more or less openly supports radical elements demanding reforms in Chantry quite possibly a few kings (with Alister being the best candidate) go “Church of England “
Chantry splits into loyal to the Divine and reformed with potential risk of war between countries supporting these fractions.

[jonesd]

sphinxess wrote...

The barbaric times before the enlightenment of the Qun came to all Thedas.

So barbaric times before more barbaric times?

[sphinxess]

jonesd wrote...

sphinxess wrote...

The barbaric times before the enlightenment of the Qun came to all Thedas.

So barbaric times before more barbaric times?

History is written by the winners...

[DonutsDealer]

I don't know but I think that we will see Flemeth and Morrigan leading the mages and a war between they two.

[dragonflight288]

When they're not too busy killing each other, that is.

[Huntress]

You forgot the Qun is waiting for something like this to happen for them to come and take over.

I wish My hawke and Warden are together fighting them off hehe oh well.. And the leader is who I play so no power struggle bwt them, rofl.

[Dragonella1]

It might be controversial but I doubt if the Qunari are such a thread even if they would conquer Thedas
military and force convert inhabitants what next? From what we see in Kirkwall and what we can read about Seheron quite a lot of them go Tal-Voshoth when in contact with other cultures. The only good method to keep morale and Qun seems to be isolation from outside influence. If they spread themselves thin all over Thedas, the Qun would lose to Thedas decadency. Their only chance is to make conquest by small steps but whatever mages vs templars war would bring I doubt it would last long enough for the Qunari to use it to their adventage.

[sphinxess]

Hanz54321 wrote...

OK. This much I can address:

The Qunari will never get any further than they are now. They may defeat and destroy the Tevinter Imperium, but they will never convert them.

The Qun demands - LOL . . . did I just type "The Qun demands . . .?"

The Qunari conquer in order to convert. Without conversion, conquering is meaningless to that religion (and it is a religion whther they call it such). So every time the Qunari try to occupy more territory they will always end up with the same result as the last - too many deaths to make it worth it.

Really, the philosophy of the Qunari would have gotten them wiped out if they weren't giant genetic freaks. It DID get them killed over a simple book in Kirkwall.

The Arishok was too stubborn to work with even the local government at all. In 3 years it was never acceptable to tell the Viscount what they were looking for - or hire Hawke to get it back. No. Instead they just sat there and stewed until they were so angry they lost it and went banjo-kazooey on the city. And what happened? They got their butts handed to them and the Arishok was killed. Imagine if they had not been physically superior?

In short the Qun is weak because it is so inflexible. The Qunari will never take Thedas.

Seperating all children from parents and raising then under the Qun seems to have been rather effective in their first attempt at invasion. Maybe they plan to blitzkrieg the entire continent the next time they attack.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

i don't think we can really know unless we seen how the conflict eventually plays out.

[dragonflight288]

I don't think we should judge the Qun until we see more than the army and its soldiers at work. We should be able to travel to Seheron or Par Vollen and see Qunari women, artisans, philosophers, inventors at work. To quote some party banter from Origins.

Leliana: Your people must not be very happy.

Sten: What makes you say that?

Leliana: Having no music, no dance?

Sten: We have that.

Leliana: You do?

Sten: I am a soldier. Were you judging us based just off of me?

Leliana: Well...yes.

[MinotaurWarrior]

Hanz54321 wrote...

 It DID get them killed over a simple book in Kirkwall.

It wasn't a simple book, it was their holy book. Their equivalent of the Gospel According to Jesus of Nazareth. Now, I mostly agree with your overall point, but I find it very frustrating when people act as though the Arishok was just throwing a big hissy fit. That book contained teachings that allowed the Qunari to create a remarkable form of goverment that has lasted for a great deal of time. On Earth, all attempts at creating similar forms of government have failed miserably within a very short period of time. Clearly, the man who figured out how to overcome the problems we ran into in the real world was an absolute genious, and any lost work of his (or hers) would be absolutely invaluable. The enemies of the Qun also knew this, and were trying to use this against the Qunari (see Isabella). Being up front about their reasons for being in Kirkwall would have put a priceless artifact in greater risk, as it would have alerted more potential enemies of the Qun to the general location of the book. Imagine if, say, Sister Petrice was alerted to the presence of the Tome of Koslun. She was willing to kill for her bigotry, so I don't exactly think book burning was beyond her capability.

[Plaintiff]

I think it's more likely that it will lead to the advancement of mage rights, substantial Circle reformation and a severe reduction in the political and military power of the Chantry.