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[jonesd]

sphinxess wrote...

jonesd wrote...

sphinxess wrote...

The barbaric times before the enlightenment of the Qun came to all Thedas.

So barbaric times before more barbaric times?

History is written by the winners...

Tis true... 

[Augustei]

Dragonella1 wrote...

 
Let's speculate: haw people in Thedas would describe a war between mages and templars 100 years later:

• a tragic and chaotic struggle that weaken Thedas in face of real thread.
• beginning of the Magic Control Controversy (DA version of The Investiture Controversy) the most significant conflict between states and Chantry that reshaped secular kings and Chantry relation
• important step in the Chantry reformation
• an attempt to establish magocracy (and rebuilt ancient Teventer Imperium)
• a tragic conflict without any effect on future of Thedas
• or maybe something else.

Any ideas?

All the mages fail in their rebellion and are eradicated completely from existance.. The people of thedas are very thankful for what the Templars have done and all nations pledge their full loyalty to the chantry whose control on society goes up significantly, Thedas unifies and conquers Tevinter, Seheron and Par Vollen. All who refuse the chantrys rule are burned at the stake. The Qunari are wiped out to near extinction but like the elves they are allowed to live in society but as lower class trash, all dalish go to live in the cities as well to avoid death. The Dwarves of Orzammar are wiped out since they are no longer needed since no mages = no templars which = no need for lyrium.

Got to love happy endings =D

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 19 juin 2011 - 11:42 .

[Plaintiff]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Dragonella1 wrote...

 
Let's speculate: haw people in Thedas would describe a war between mages and templars 100 years later:

• a tragic and chaotic struggle that weaken Thedas in face of real thread.
  
• beginning of the Magic Control Controversy (DA version of The Investiture Controversy) the most significant conflict between states and Chantry that reshaped secular kings and Chantry relation
  
• important step in the Chantry reformation
  
• an attempt to establish magocracy (and rebuilt ancient Teventer Imperium)
  
• a tragic conflict without any effect on future of Thedas
  
• or maybe something else.

Any ideas?

All the mages fail in their rebellion and are eradicated completely from existance.. The people of thedas are very thankful for what the Templars have done and all nations pledge their full loyalty to the chantry whose control on society goes up significantly, Thedas unifies and conquers Tevinter, Seheron and Par Vollen. All who refuse the chantrys rule are burned at the stake. The Qunari are wiped out to near extinction but like the elves they are allowed to live in society but as lower class trash, all dalish go to live in the cities as well to avoid death. The Dwarves of Orzammar are wiped out since they are no longer needed since no mages = no templars which = no need for lyrium.

Got to love happy endings =D

Even if you kill every single living mage, more will be born regardless.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

It'll be like X-Men, with some mages wanting world domination and others wanting equality rather than superiority. Some will hate mundanes, others will want to work with them for a mutually.

Blood mages like Professor X with their mind-influencing magic will be feared by both mundanes and mages who think their art is the epitome of evil.

Abominations like Jean Grey/The Phoenix will be inevitable.

Shapeshifters will still be awesome.

[Augustei]

Plaintiff wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Dragonella1 wrote...

 
Let's speculate: haw people in Thedas would describe a war between mages and templars 100 years later:

• a tragic and chaotic struggle that weaken Thedas in face of real thread.
  
• beginning of the Magic Control Controversy (DA version of The Investiture Controversy) the most significant conflict between states and Chantry that reshaped secular kings and Chantry relation
  
• important step in the Chantry reformation
  
• an attempt to establish magocracy (and rebuilt ancient Teventer Imperium)
  
• a tragic conflict without any effect on future of Thedas
  
• or maybe something else.

Any ideas?

All the mages fail in their rebellion and are eradicated completely from existance.. The people of thedas are very thankful for what the Templars have done and all nations pledge their full loyalty to the chantry whose control on society goes up significantly, Thedas unifies and conquers Tevinter, Seheron and Par Vollen. All who refuse the chantrys rule are burned at the stake. The Qunari are wiped out to near extinction but like the elves they are allowed to live in society but as lower class trash, all dalish go to live in the cities as well to avoid death. The Dwarves of Orzammar are wiped out since they are no longer needed since no mages = no templars which = no need for lyrium.

Got to love happy endings =D

Even if you kill every single living mage, more will be born regardless.

Yeah and the templars will throw them off a cliff as babys... Just like sparta.

[MinotaurWarrior]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Without this turning into a long IRL discusion, I do not respect The Bible.  So that's not the way to sell me on a make believe book.

I'm not trying to convert you to the Qun or anything, I'm just pointing out that the Arishok wasn't being extra-strength stupid. Most people, throughout time (especially in psuedo-medival times) would have gone to similar extremes, if placed in a similar situation. I still disagree with his actions, but I also disagree with the actions of the vast majority of world leaders throughout history, because as you go backwards in time (or psuedo-historical periods) people become, well, backwards. The Qunari society is rather messed up, but not especially so for a society in the rough equivalent of our medievil period.

But even if I did . . . The Bible is mass printed.  If one is stolen or lost, there are millions of copies.  But the Qunari are too stupid and stubborn to just do that.  Again - inflexibility leads to downfall.

I'm sure the Qunari have records of the Qun, just like Christians have Bibles, but Christians only have the Gospel according to a bunch of dudes not named Jesus. I don't know of a single religion on earth where anyone bothered to record the teachings of their prophet while he or she was still alive. For example, Buddhist monks gathered together long after Siddharta had died to record the Sutras they had memorized through oral recitation. Koslun had the foresight to realize that if he wanted his teachings to guide his people forever, he might want to write them down himself. Really, the very existence of the Tome of Koslun is actually very impressive.

Edit:  On another note:  I did read your entire post.  In online conversations I try not to go with too many divergent points in one post.  But yes, I absolutely understood before and still agree with the concept that telling everyone why they were there would make the book impossible to find.  Thieves and zealots alike would hinder the search.  I know that's not how I came across earlier, but I'm with you there.

Cool. Agreeing with people is fun.

[MinotaurWarrior]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Without this turning into a long IRL discusion, I do not respect The Bible. So that's not the way to sell me on a make believe book.

I'm not trying to convert you to the Qun or anything, I'm just pointing out that the Arishok wasn't being extra-strength stupid. Most people, throughout time (especially in psuedo-medieval times) would have gone to similar extremes, if placed in a similar situation. I still disagree with his actions, but I also disagree with the actions of the vast majority of world leaders throughout history, because as you go backwards in time (or psuedo-historical periods) people become, well, backwards. The Qunari society is rather messed up, but not especially so for a society in the rough equivalent of our medieval period.

But even if I did . . . The Bible is mass printed. If one is stolen or lost, there are millions of copies. But the Qunari are too stupid and stubborn to just do that. Again - inflexibility leads to downfall.

I'm sure the Qunari have records of the Qun, just like Christians have Bibles, but Christians only have the Gospel according to a bunch of dudes not named Jesus. I don't know of a single religion on earth where anyone bothered to record the teachings of their prophet while he or she was still alive. For example, Buddhist monks gathered together long after Siddharta had died to record the Sutras they had memorized through oral recitation. Koslun had the foresight to realize that if he wanted his teachings to guide his people forever, he might want to write them down himself. Really, the very existence of the Tome of Koslun is actually very impressive.

Edit: On another note: I did read your entire post. In online conversations I try not to go with too many divergent points in one post. But yes, I absolutely understood before and still agree with the concept that telling everyone why they were there would make the book impossible to find. Thieves and zealots alike would hinder the search. I know that's not how I came across earlier, but I'm with you there.

Cool. Agreeing with people is fun.

[Melca36]

Dragonella1 wrote...

 
Let's speculate: haw people in Thedas would describe a war between mages and templars 100 years later:

Its NOT going to be just Mage VS Templar

There will be people who  Support the mages.

There will be mages fighting Blood Mages

Modifié par Melca36, 20 juin 2011 - 06:59 .

[Dean_the_Young]

More people wil have died then there are mages.

[Herr Uhl]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Without this turning into a long IRL discusion, I do not respect The Bible.  So that's not the way to sell me on a make believe book.

But even if I did . . . The Bible is mass printed.  If one is stolen or lost, there are millions of copies.  But the Qunari are too stupid and stubborn to just do that.  Again - inflexibility leads to downfall.

The bible is kind of an odd comparison. The Qun, guessing from what I've seen, would be a code of conduct, not stories about how Koslun did stuff. Having the original to settle disputes on how legitimate later renditions are would be a good thing if you base your entire society on it.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Hanz54321 wrote...

Without this turning into a long IRL discusion, I do not respect The Bible.  So that's not the way to sell me on a make believe book.

But even if I did . . . The Bible is mass printed.  If one is stolen or lost, there are millions of copies.  But the Qunari are too stupid and stubborn to just do that.  Again - inflexibility leads to downfall.

The bible is kind of an odd comparison. The Qun, guessing from what I've seen, would be a code of conduct, not stories about how Koslun did stuff. Having the original to settle disputes on how legitimate later renditions are would be a good thing if you base your entire society on it.

It wasn't supposed to be a comparison to the bible:

MinotaurWarrior wrote...

It wasn't a simple book, it was their holy book. Their equivalent of the Gospel According to Jesus of Nazareth.

MinotaurWarrior was comparing the Tome of Koslun, written *by* Koslun, to a hypothetical book written by Jesus.

A book written by any important figure could be copied, enhanced, mass-produced...but the original, created BY that important figure, would be irreplacable. And a book written by the central figure of a faith? I can understand why religious people of a certain fervour would want to get it back if it was stolen.

[Herr Uhl]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

MinotaurWarrior was comparing the Tome of Koslun, written *by* Koslun, to a hypothetical book written by Jesus.

A book written by any important figure could be copied, enhanced, mass-produced...but the original, created BY that important figure, would be irreplacable. And a book written by the central figure of a faith? I can understand why religious people of a certain fervour would want to get it back if it was stolen.

I'm just thinking of it as something closer to something like for example the communist manifesto, more on point. The bible tends to wander a lot, between poetry, stories and commandments. The poster I was quoteing claiming that he couldn't respect the bible was what I replied to, as seen below.

Hanz54321 wrote...
I do not respect The Bible.

The rest of the quote was included to give an alternate explanation as to why it could be important, other than it beeing written by Koslun.