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Chris Priestly wrote...

. I believe it is the default Sheperd as it is easiest to recognize and that is a caucasian skin tone.


I thought there was talk of them remaking the femShep image for the video - is this untrue, or, rather, was it only talk?

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I don't care what default femshep looks like. I'm going to customize her anyway.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

There are, and I mean this seriously, an substantially large, almost exponential number of potential character customization options in Mass Effect. It would be impossible to make a video containing all of them. As David has mentioned, there will be a video using female Shepard. I believe it is the default Sheperd as it is easiest to recognize and that is a caucasian skin tone.



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Nah, just have Garrus refer to her as Black Shepard.

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While my Shep is caucasian, I would personally be thrilled to see a darker skinned FemShep as the new female avatar. In that way you not only get in the, "hey look, we know women are playing our game", message, but also "we know not everyone playing the game is causasian" bit in there as well.

I think an attractive, brown skinned Femshep would be a nice counter to Caucasian Sheploo.

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elearon1 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

. I believe it is the default Sheperd as it is easiest to recognize and that is a caucasian skin tone.


I thought there was talk of them remaking the femShep image for the video - is this untrue, or, rather, was it only talk?




I personally think it's more likely that they're simply going to tweak the default version to make her more distinct.

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battleroyale565 wrote...

elearon1 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

. I believe it is the default Sheperd as it is easiest to recognize and that is a caucasian skin tone.


I thought there was talk of them remaking the femShep image for the video - is this untrue, or, rather, was it only talk?




I personally think it's more likely that they're simply going to tweak the default version to make her more distinct.


The Escapist has said that Bioware is unsure what she will look like in the trailer.

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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

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I can't see it ever happening since the majority of the western population are cuacasian. And deal with the skin colour dude... Ive got used to us Indians not being represented :P


But honestly, we should have a little bit of rep, there's like more than a million of brown people in Canada. 


But which brown person? Chinese? Indian? African? Middle-eastern? Aboriginal (they outnumber Indians quite heavily in Canada)? 

Personally, since Bioware is Canadian and since first nations people are the largest non-European group in Canada, I say they should be first nations people. Of course, since they both are fairly dark and native canadians have all kinds of names and complexions, we could easily argue that they are first nations.

Another first for Bioware diversity!




Well I'm talking about Indo canadians, so yeah, but it would be nice to have a shade for all nationalities. Sometimes I'm just annoyed at how my shep is hispanic looking and not indian looking. There's a shade for different looking caucasians, asians, africans, but not much for south asians. Also I don't think Aborignals outnumber indians by a lot, just a little bit.

Also to everyone else, I'm just sayin' this whole fem shep trailer is happening to bring diversity to the marketing, so why not make it more diverse by making that fem shep non white.

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Minty-Fresh wrote...

battleroyale565 wrote...

elearon1 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

. I believe it is the default Sheperd as it is easiest to recognize and that is a caucasian skin tone.


I thought there was talk of them remaking the femShep image for the video - is this untrue, or, rather, was it only talk?




I personally think it's more likely that they're simply going to tweak the default version to make her more distinct.


The Escapist has said that Bioware is unsure what she will look like in the trailer.


That's actually not surprising. Sheploo's looks haven't exactly been perfectly consistent when it's come to trailers.

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Long as she looks good and badass - who gives a damn? Black OR white. 

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KamikazeShepard wrote...

 Now before anyone flags me, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with white, but fem shep in the trailers should not be white because Male Shep already is. If they are looking for diversity in their marketing, then why make two sheps who have the same skin colour? Make Fem Shep Brown or Black or Oriental. If bioware does it this way, there will be more appeal to people. 

Also while Bioware is at equality, how about a proper skin colour for Indians like me, I really don't like that my shepard is looking more Hispanic then he is Indian ( I'm not insulting Hispanics, I just want my Shepard to have a skin tone similar to mine).


we got jacob for the black guy, lets keep shepard white yes!!

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what are you wanting? them to put Obama as a squadmate? LMFAO

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KamikazeShepard wrote...

Well I'm talking about Indo canadians, so yeah, but it would be nice to have a shade for all nationalities. Sometimes I'm just annoyedat how my shep is hispanic looking and not indian looking. There's a shade for different looking caucasians, asians, africans, but not much for south asians. Also I don't think Aborignals outnumber indians by a lot, just a little bit.

Also to everyone else, I'm just sayin' this whole fem shep trailer is happening to bring diversity to the marketing, so why not make it more diverse by making that fem shep non white.


There are over 1.6 million first nations and metis versus less than a million Indo Canadians. But there are 10 million who identify as Canadian, 6 million English, 5 million French, 4.7 million Scottish, 4.3 million Irish, 3.1 million German, 1.4 million Italian, 1.3 million Chinese, 1.2 million Ukrainians, 1 million Dutch and 1 million Poles. Sorry, friend, you're pretty far down on the list. Shepard is clearly an English name, so let's make the next one French?

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x-Legion-x wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

 Now before anyone flags me, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with white, but fem shep in the trailers should not be white because Male Shep already is. If they are looking for diversity in their marketing, then why make two sheps who have the same skin colour? Make Fem Shep Brown or Black or Oriental. If bioware does it this way, there will be more appeal to people. 

Also while Bioware is at equality, how about a proper skin colour for Indians like me, I really don't like that my shepard is looking more Hispanic then he is Indian ( I'm not insulting Hispanics, I just want my Shepard to have a skin tone similar to mine).


we got jacob for the black guy, lets keep shepard white yes!!

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Jacob, the only back guy as a squadmate and really Annoying, shallow.... <_<
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x-Legion-x wrote...

what are you wanting? them to put Obama as a squadmate? LMFAO


Obama in full N7 armor screaming AMMURICA!

Fund it.

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Flashlegend wrote...

Minty-Fresh wrote...

battleroyale565 wrote...

elearon1 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

. I believe it is the default Sheperd as it is easiest to recognize and that is a caucasian skin tone.


I thought there was talk of them remaking the femShep image for the video - is this untrue, or, rather, was it only talk?




I personally think it's more likely that they're simply going to tweak the default version to make her more distinct.


The Escapist has said that Bioware is unsure what she will look like in the trailer.


That's actually not surprising. Sheploo's looks haven't exactly been perfectly consistent when it's come to trailers.


Is it just me or does it look like Sheploo has aged quite a bit, I mean look at my avatar.

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KamikazeShepard wrote...

 Now before anyone flags me, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with white, but fem shep in the trailers should not be white because Male Shep already is. If they are looking for diversity in their marketing, then why make two sheps who have the same skin colour? Make Fem Shep Brown or Black or Oriental. If bioware does it this way, there will be more appeal to people. 

Also while Bioware is at equality, how about a proper skin colour for Indians like me, I really don't like that my shepard is looking more Hispanic then he is Indian ( I'm not insulting Hispanics, I just want my Shepard to have a skin tone similar to mine).

Ah yes, "Race", a timeless term of categorization allegedly dividing genetically near-identical human beings of different skin colors caused by the effects of nature and nurture in different geographical regions of our planet into separate ethnical, cultural and social groups - we've dismissed that claim.

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what are you wanting? them to put Obama as a squadmate? LMFAO

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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

Well I'm talking about Indo canadians, so yeah, but it would be nice to have a shade for all nationalities. Sometimes I'm just annoyedat how my shep is hispanic looking and not indian looking. There's a shade for different looking caucasians, asians, africans, but not much for south asians. Also I don't think Aborignals outnumber indians by a lot, just a little bit.

Also to everyone else, I'm just sayin' this whole fem shep trailer is happening to bring diversity to the marketing, so why not make it more diverse by making that fem shep non white.


There are over 1.6 million first nations and metis versus less than a million Indo Canadians. But there are 10 million who identify as Canadian, 6 million English, 5 million French, 4.7 million Scottish, 4.3 million Irish, 3.1 million German, 1.4 million Italian, 1.3 million Chinese, 1.2 million Ukrainians, 1 million Dutch and 1 million Poles. Sorry, friend, you're pretty far down on the list. Shepard is clearly an English name, so let's make the next one French?


Well first off, the actual count for first nations in Canada is 1.2 million and there's .9 million Indo Canadians, so it's just a difference of .3 million and that number is bound to change in the future and Indo Canadians have a similar skin tone to Pakistanis, Sri Lankans  some middle eastern people, etc. And most of those countries you listed have a very similar caucasian skin tone, so I'm not that far down the list there friend. Also I never talked about chaning Shepard's name.And  It's not unreasonable to demand a skin tone to represent south asians, if bioware is willing to make trailers for fem shep. 

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KamikazeShepard wrote...

 Now before anyone flags me, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with white, but fem shep in the trailers should not be white because Male Shep already is. If they are looking for diversity in their marketing, then why make two sheps who have the same skin colour? Make Fem Shep Brown or Black or Oriental. If bioware does it this way, there will be more appeal to people. 

Also while Bioware is at equality, how about a proper skin colour for Indians like me, I really don't like that my shepard is looking more Hispanic then he is Indian ( I'm not insulting Hispanics, I just want my Shepard to have a skin tone similar to mine).

I wasn't going to post but there are a couple of problems. I hope you meant "of Asian" descent. In truth, what does it really matter? The trailers, the boxart, etc etc. Not important as they are being used to show a character and what that character is facing. You can look all throughout Youtube and see the "United Ethnicities" of Shep from both genders. It isn't simple to get ones skin tone down perfectly since there are many color spectrums. I for one am African-American/Italian-American. If a game got the tone right, I would be ecstatic but there are too many variables. Am I upset? Not in the least because I can get the features and tone damn close.

Complaining about something that trivial actually shows a person that cannot and will not be satisfied no matter how many choices they have. That is not an insult so please don't interpret it as one. When we played a game like Mortal Kombat and found a fighting style that we could relate to did the complexion of the character come into the equation? Street Fighter, CoD, Battlefield, etc etc? No. So why is it that this game can't be accepted on those same terms. Hell, even in The Elder Scrolls, the skin tones weren't all there. People of different ethnicities didn't stop playing.

This thread in general is just venting. Either one plays because they enjoy it or they don't. Simple. But trying to pick apart something as minute as a skin tone isn't the basis of a good debate.

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 What I wouldn't give for a squaddie modeled after Gina Torres... :wub: Oh I'm sorry, what were we talking about? 

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No need to get worked up over this.

A black femshep on the cover is fine with me. So is a white one. For that matter, a black maleshep is fine too if that's what they want to put on the game's cover.

I just don't see that this is such a big issue. If you want a black femshep, make one, and roleplay her to your heart's content.

My maleshep is a southerner / country boy as I role play him. Should I start demanding a southern accent for my maleshep? Of course not.

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This is why i knew it was a bad idea to cave out to the feminist, now black ppl want to be represented.

Seriously DEAL WITH IT. God i hate all race and sex, gay/lesbian and w/e ppl with something slightly different from other ppl can find just to have something to **** about. Your a person and thats it. Bioware should stick to the N7 symbol on the cover to stop all you from ****ing whinning like a toddler.

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My face either way.

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I'm not even going to read this thread and simply say...

"You humans are all racist!"

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Seeing as how you can make your Shepard look anyway you choose to does it really matter what the box art looks like?