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[jamesp81]

shadowreflexion wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

 Now before anyone flags me, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with white, but fem shep in the trailers should not be white because Male Shep already is. If they are looking for diversity in their marketing, then why make two sheps who have the same skin colour? Make Fem Shep Brown or Black or Oriental. If bioware does it this way, there will be more appeal to people. 

Also while Bioware is at equality, how about a proper skin colour for Indians like me, I really don't like that my shepard is looking more Hispanic then he is Indian ( I'm not insulting Hispanics, I just want my Shepard to have a skin tone similar to mine).

I wasn't going to post but there are a couple of problems. I hope you meant "of Asian" descent. In truth, what does it really matter? The trailers, the boxart, etc etc. Not important as they are being used to show a character and what that character is facing. You can look all throughout Youtube and see the "United Ethnicities" of Shep from both genders. It isn't simple to get ones skin tone down perfectly since there are many color spectrums. I for one am African-American/Italian-American. If a game got the tone right, I would be ecstatic but there are too many variables. Am I upset? Not in the least because I can get the features and tone damn close.

Complaining about something that trivial actually shows a person that cannot and will not be satisfied no matter how many choices they have. That is not an insult so please don't interpret it as one. When we played a game like Mortal Kombat and found a fighting style that we could relate to did the complexion of the character come into the equation? Street Fighter, CoD, Battlefield, etc etc? No. So why is it that this game can't be accepted on those same terms. Hell, even in The Elder Scrolls, the skin tones weren't all there. People of different ethnicities didn't stop playing.

This thread in general is just venting. Either one plays because they enjoy it or they don't. Simple. But trying to pick apart something as minute as a skin tone isn't the basis of a good debate.

Another thing to consider is one of realism.  People talk about wanting realism all the time.  If we did that, then most of the humans in Mass Effect would of East Asian and Southeast Asian ethnicitiy, given population profiles, with a large Indian minority.  I can only assume that, for variety's sake, Bioware determined it would be better to have humans of all kinds.

I'm like you.  I just can't get too worked over this.  If default shep was black I'd play as a black maleshep and be perfectly happy to do so.  Chiefly because every time I try to make a custom Shepard in the character creator, he doesn't come out so well.

[Sylvianus]

Rath_01 wrote...

Seeing as how you can make your Shepard look anyway you choose to does it really matter what the box art looks like?

Well, it's not good
it would be hypocritical to say that. How many people ( guys and girls ) have asked the same thing for femshep? It is exactly the same request.

[shadowreflexion]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

This is why i knew it was a bad idea to cave out to the feminist, now black ppl want to be represented.

Seriously DEAL WITH IT. God i hate all race and sex, gay/lesbian and w/e ppl with something slightly different from other ppl can find just to have something to **** about. Your a person and thats it. Bioware should stick to the N7 symbol on the cover to stop all you from ****ing whinning like a toddler.

The OP never stated he/she was African-American. He/she stated they were Indian.

[Whatever42]

KamikazeShepard wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

Well I'm talking about Indo canadians, so yeah, but it would be nice to have a shade for all nationalities. Sometimes I'm just annoyedat how my shep is hispanic looking and not indian looking. There's a shade for different looking caucasians, asians, africans, but not much for south asians. Also I don't think Aborignals outnumber indians by a lot, just a little bit.

Also to everyone else, I'm just sayin' this whole fem shep trailer is happening to bring diversity to the marketing, so why not make it more diverse by making that fem shep non white.

There are over 1.6 million first nations and metis versus less than a million Indo Canadians. But there are 10 million who identify as Canadian, 6 million English, 5 million French, 4.7 million Scottish, 4.3 million Irish, 3.1 million German, 1.4 million Italian, 1.3 million Chinese, 1.2 million Ukrainians, 1 million Dutch and 1 million Poles. Sorry, friend, you're pretty far down on the list. Shepard is clearly an English name, so let's make the next one French?

Well first off, the actual count for first nations in Canada is 1.2 million and there's .9 million Indo Canadians, so it's just a difference of .3 million and that number is bound to change in the future and Indo Canadians have a similar skin tone to Pakistanis, Sri Lankans  some middle eastern people, etc. And most of those countries you listed have a very similar caucasian skin tone, so I'm not that far down the list there friend. Also I never talked about chaning Shepard's name.And  It's not unreasonable to demand a skin tone to represent south asians, if bioware is willing to make trailers for fem shep. 

I said "and metis".  And the term Indo or East Indians pretty much includes the entire Indian subcontinent. 

And there is a skin-tone to represent all kinds of Asian ethnicities. We're talking marketing. But, yes, I know you're actually saying that even making a femshep trailer is pandering and then using this as a further example of pandering. 

But its just marketing. The reason we usually see white males in video games as default characters or in marketing campaigns is because 

1) that's their main audience
2) all their other audiences are accustomed to it 

So its just the safe choice. Not that it really matters that much, of course. When the Star Trek franchise went with a black Commander Sisko and a female Captain Janeway, its not like anyone really cared that much. Now if they deliberately shunned the demographic of their main audience, then there would probably be some backlash but people generally enjoy characters different than themselves - it's more interesting to learn about them.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 17 juin 2011 - 08:45 .

[KamikazeShepard]

shadowreflexion wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

 Now before anyone flags me, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with white, but fem shep in the trailers should not be white because Male Shep already is. If they are looking for diversity in their marketing, then why make two sheps who have the same skin colour? Make Fem Shep Brown or Black or Oriental. If bioware does it this way, there will be more appeal to people. 

Also while Bioware is at equality, how about a proper skin colour for Indians like me, I really don't like that my shepard is looking more Hispanic then he is Indian ( I'm not insulting Hispanics, I just want my Shepard to have a skin tone similar to mine).

I wasn't going to post but there are a couple of problems. I hope you meant "of Asian" descent. In truth, what does it really matter? The trailers, the boxart, etc etc. Not important as they are being used to show a character and what that character is facing. You can look all throughout Youtube and see the "United Ethnicities" of Shep from both genders. It isn't simple to get ones skin tone down perfectly since there are many color spectrums. I for one am African-American/Italian-American. If a game got the tone right, I would be ecstatic but there are too many variables. Am I upset? Not in the least because I can get the features and tone damn close.

Complaining about something that trivial actually shows a person that cannot and will not be satisfied no matter how many choices they have. That is not an insult so please don't interpret it as one. When we played a game like Mortal Kombat and found a fighting style that we could relate to did the complexion of the character come into the equation? Street Fighter, CoD, Battlefield, etc etc? No. So why is it that this game can't be accepted on those same terms. Hell, even in The Elder Scrolls, the skin tones weren't all there. People of different ethnicities didn't stop playing.

This thread in general is just venting. Either one plays because they enjoy it or they don't. Simple. But trying to pick apart something as minute as a skin tone isn't the basis of a good debate.

In no way am I saying that this game is bad, ME2 and 1 are my favourite games on the Xbox 360. Also I'm sorry about saying "oriental", I never knew that it could be taken badly. And I'm not bashing or anything, it's just a small request if anything. And I'm not going to stop playing ME or elder scrolls for that matter. I'm not using the marketing to bash this game, I was just suggesting that a change in the skin colour might be helpful too because it brings diversity like having a female shepard trailer. Also the games you listed aren't about customization, ME has it, so it is technically okay to rant a little bit about not having an option I want. This whole thread is a simple request like it was a request to have femshep trailer, don't try and suggest that I don't like this game and I am not satifiable because I was very pleased with ME2 and ME1

[CaptainZaysh]

jamesp81 wrote...

Another thing to consider is one of realism.  People talk about wanting realism all the time.  If we did that, then most of the humans in Mass Effect would of East Asian and Southeast Asian ethnicitiy, given population profiles, with a large Indian minority.  

The overwhelming majority of human astronauts have been Americans, though.  Maybe the Alliance isn't representative of humanity as a whole.

[Destr1er]

When Bail_Darilar mentioned Indian people, I think he meant Indian as in from India.
Though as a fellow First Nations Canadian, it would be sweet to see a "native" Shep.

As for customizing your own Shepard, I want a ridiculous amount of customization so I can make a total freak of nature like in DA:O.
Sometimes it's fun to play a character that is almost as ugly as me
IRL ;P

Modifié par Destr1er, 17 juin 2011 - 08:51 .

[shadowreflexion]

jamesp81 wrote...

shadowreflexion wrote...

KamikazeShepard wrote...

 Now before anyone flags me, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with white, but fem shep in the trailers should not be white because Male Shep already is. If they are looking for diversity in their marketing, then why make two sheps who have the same skin colour? Make Fem Shep Brown or Black or Oriental. If bioware does it this way, there will be more appeal to people. 

Also while Bioware is at equality, how about a proper skin colour for Indians like me, I really don't like that my shepard is looking more Hispanic then he is Indian ( I'm not insulting Hispanics, I just want my Shepard to have a skin tone similar to mine).

I wasn't going to post but there are a couple of problems. I hope you meant "of Asian" descent. In truth, what does it really matter? The trailers, the boxart, etc etc. Not important as they are being used to show a character and what that character is facing. You can look all throughout Youtube and see the "United Ethnicities" of Shep from both genders. It isn't simple to get ones skin tone down perfectly since there are many color spectrums. I for one am African-American/Italian-American. If a game got the tone right, I would be ecstatic but there are too many variables. Am I upset? Not in the least because I can get the features and tone damn close.

Complaining about something that trivial actually shows a person that cannot and will not be satisfied no matter how many choices they have. That is not an insult so please don't interpret it as one. When we played a game like Mortal Kombat and found a fighting style that we could relate to did the complexion of the character come into the equation? Street Fighter, CoD, Battlefield, etc etc? No. So why is it that this game can't be accepted on those same terms. Hell, even in The Elder Scrolls, the skin tones weren't all there. People of different ethnicities didn't stop playing.

This thread in general is just venting. Either one plays because they enjoy it or they don't. Simple. But trying to pick apart something as minute as a skin tone isn't the basis of a good debate.

Another thing to consider is one of realism.  People talk about wanting realism all the time.  If we did that, then most of the humans in Mass Effect would of East Asian and Southeast Asian ethnicitiy, given population profiles, with a large Indian minority.  I can only assume that, for variety's sake, Bioware determined it would be better to have humans of all kinds.

I'm like you.  I just can't get too worked over this.  If default shep was black I'd play as a black maleshep and be perfectly happy to do so.  Chiefly because every time I try to make a custom Shepard in the character creator, he doesn't come out so well.

I think the bottom line is that people will never be able to out grow such minimal views. I would expect a topic such as this to be on FOX News talking about how BW won't include every ethnic group. People will turn something small into something huge just to be heard. Now had the OP asked for more shades of color when doing the character creation then none of this would have become an issue but the OP went right to ethnicity. 

I still have that problem. That's why all my Sheps take about an hour to create. LOL

[STG]

It's the old case of: Give them a finger and they'll take your arm.

Just look at the gay "romance" supporters. At first all they wanted was just an option. Then existing characters needed to be "turned". Then everyone should be bi-sexual. Then there should be no option of turning gay content off because everyone should be exposed to it.

Same thing with female Shepard now. It's no longer enough that she is getting recognition. She now has to be black.

[shadowreflexion]

KamikazeShepard wrote...

In no way am I saying that this game is bad, ME2 and 1 are my favourite games on the Xbox 360. Also I'm sorry about saying "oriental", I never knew that it could be taken badly. And I'm not bashing or anything, it's just a small request if anything. And I'm not going to stop playing ME or elder scrolls for that matter. I'm not using the marketing to bash this game, I was just suggesting that a change in the skin colour might be helpful too because it brings diversity like having a female shepard trailer. Also the games you listed aren't about customization, ME has it, so it is technically okay to rant a little bit about not having an option I want. This whole thread is a simple request like it was a request to have femshep trailer, don't try and suggest that I don't like this game and I am not satifiable because I was very pleased with ME2 and ME1

Hey, I'm not arguing your point. Sorry if it's interpreted like that. It's just the overall phrasing. When a game company can actually get skin tones that can be combined with other colors like with the hair color in TES:Oblivion then creating a unique skin tone would be easier although harder to accomplish. And with the games that I listed, it wasn't meant to show customization. It was meant to show that people can be color blind when enjoying a game. I understand what you're saying, it was the phrasing that's throwing people off.

[Sylvianus]

STG wrote...

It's the old case of: Give them a finger and they'll take your arm.

Just look at the gay "romance" supporters. At first all they wanted was just an option. Then existing characters needed to be "turned". Then everyone should be bi-sexual. Then there should be no option of turning gay content off because everyone should be exposed to it.

Same thing with female Shepard now. It's no longer enough that she is getting recognition. She now has to be black.

lol.  Unfortunately, there is some truth in what you say. But this shouldn't prevent us from thinking about the best solutions to solve problems fairly, without giving your arm.

To be fair, without doing anything, a stupid fanservice that makes no sense.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 juin 2011 - 09:01 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

FemShep should not be white because it'd would be racist. *sarcasm*

[Smeelia]

If Female Shepard in the marketing isn't white then there still wont be any White Female Shepards in the marketing.  No matter what they choose, the exact same number of "groups" will be represented.

As others have said, it really doesn't matter.

[jbblue05]

Bioware should make the way they INTENDED.
Political Correctness is annoying the hell out of me

Bioware should focus on making the best game they can not playing politics

[Destr1er]

Make Shep green and from Mars. A mutated colonist.
SHAZAM problems solved.

[Massadonious1]

United_Strafes wrote...
She should be fat too, fat people are never represented in games. 

Another vote for the fatties.

[Foryou]

Yep this is when I start getting bugged. people wanted female shepard and bioware gave it to them. Now people are saying hey now your not being fair to non white races. Then if bioware say has female shepard african american then someone will say hey why isn't she arab. Equality doesn't mean people should try to put in every race and gender equally. You don't see the collectors complaining on how they don't even have a gender or female Elcor saying anything

[Destroy Raiden_]

OP pretend she's Swedish if you like. I'm black and I really don't care about her and mshep being white. I care about the fact they're going to through a main character identity crisis.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 17 juin 2011 - 09:19 .

[eternalnightmare13]

KamikazeShepard wrote...

 Now before anyone flags me, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with white, but fem shep in the trailers should not be white because Male Shep already is. If they are looking for diversity in their marketing, then why make two sheps who have the same skin colour? Make Fem Shep Brown or Black or Oriental. If bioware does it this way, there will be more appeal to people. 

Also while Bioware is at equality, how about a proper skin colour for Indians like me, I really don't like that my shepard is looking more Hispanic then he is Indian ( I'm not insulting Hispanics, I just want my Shepard to have a skin tone similar to mine).

''You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can never please all the people all the time.''

[shadowreflexion]

jbblue05 wrote...

Bioware should make the way they INTENDED.
Political Correctness is annoying the hell out of me

Bioware should focus on making the best game they can not playing politics

You know what? I think that's the whole problem in a nutshell. While attempting to sate everyones idea of what color,sexual orientation, what should be censored and so on. It becomes more difficult just to present a game in the glory that it was envisioned. ME gives so much that even the mainstream press wants in on it to boost ratings. From an investment POV, they do have to play it safe. So that, I can understand. But one of these days, I hope they reissue a limited "Platinum" edition of the ME games with no content cut or altered. Just to put back in what so many wanted them to take out. They would make a hefty profit. I think the rating system needs to be revised by gamers, not watchdog groups. If my Shep could look in the distance and say "F" it, that would be epic.

Modifié par shadowreflexion, 17 juin 2011 - 09:24 .

[Raycer X]

If FemShep isn't Caucasion, then why not make her a Latina? With long legs too .

[Schneidend]

You can fool some of the people all of the time.

You can fool all of the people some of the time.

But you will ****** off somebody 100% of the time.

[LyndseyCousland]

[vegaman333]

ok, not sure why this is even a topic. shepard has been white since the first game. Unless they have some random race-changing surgery in the future, that shepard had time and desire to undergo in the 2 months between me2 and me3, then it makes no sense for her to be any color but white. look at the majority of the characters in ME......they are white. It is apparently the predominant race in the game series, so it makes sense. It isn't like you cant change her race in the editor, which i'm sure you've already done if you have beef with her race. get over it, whats done is done, and no matter what color she happens to be, someone somewhere will have an issue with it.