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[stonbw1]

I may be wrong, but I get the impression that essentially the Reapers swoop in every 50,000 ish years, clean the galaxy out of lifeforms (except those they enslave) and the galaxy begins anew (ala a forest fire); then rinse and repeat.

My question:  how come I couldn't just steal away in the Normandy with the crew to a distant, uninhabited, but habitable world and start my own civilization? In fact, I could be king and let Liara and Tali have a kissing contest to determine who would be my queen.  Can the reapers really find us?  Wouldn't we just procreate and pass the legend of the reapers down and thus, they wouldn't be so ominous in their next visit to the galaxy. Forgive me if this has been answered before.

[Zanallen]

Well, you would need a hell of a lot of people for it to be a sustainable population. Up til now, the Reapers have used the information on the Citadel to track down all space faring life within the galaxy.

[OGRenderence]

The ability to us long range scanners?

[battleroyale565]

In the case of the Protheans, the Reapers found almost everyone due to them having access to census records. Also, the Reapers have time to be VERY thorough as it's mentioned by Vigil that it took hundreds of years for them to finally pack up and leave. To truly hide from them you'd have to be operating from a location they couldn't easily find and likely with a very small population which would really mess with any descendants you might have further down the line.

Modifié par battleroyale565, 17 juin 2011 - 08:04 .

[Someone With Mass]

They can listen to our communications, like the extranet, much like geth can.

[Veex]

battleroyale565 wrote...

To truly hide from them you'd have to be operating from a location they couldn't easily find and likely with a very small population which would really mess with any descendants you might have further down the line.

This is really the crux of the issue. You'd have to find the perfect balance of a population that would both escape notice from the Reapers and have enough ginetic diversity to sustain population growth.

Assuming you succeeded in those goals, you'd likely have a hard time keeping the truth about the Reapers prevelant over the course of 50,000 years. Out of sight, out of mind if you will.

[Gill Kaiser]

Because that would be selfish, and pretty damn unworkable?

[Quinnzel]

Spider-Sense.

[KingNothing125]

The VI on Ilos pretty much spells out how it works. They show up, kill most, indoctrinate some, and they use the victims information networks to find others. They don't show up for a weekend and then take off. I get the impression that they stay around for hundreds of years. The VI on Ilos had to resort to emergency power triage, letting some protheans die to save others because the threat still hadn't passed.

There's no way you could survive long enough without supplies, especially on an inhospitable planet.

[Whatever42]

In a normal cycle, it is an ambush. The Reapers get control of the Citadel and the relay network. This tells them where almost everyone is.

Meanwhile, everyone else is cut off. Travel is cut-off. Communications are cut-off or sketchy at best. The only people who can travel are indoctrinated but no one knows about indoctrination. So the Reapers can then send in spies and saboteurs. Leaders can "escape" the Reapers and then go to other colonies to assist in their reapification.

So any large number of people are unlikely to flee because they have no idea what's going on. If a large number does flee, Reaper agents can infiltrate them, or at least know where they are going. Small numbers who flee are unimportant. If they don't have sufficient numbers to sustain a viable population then they will die out in the centuries it takes for Reapers to harvest the galaxy.

It's a great plan. Unfortunately, now the Reapers are screwed because now we know about the Reapers, can still use the relays, can still communicate and we know about indoctrination. So large numbers of people probably can flee.

[mmu1]

Nope. The reapers only wipe out all advanced space-faring life forms. Even more specifically, the ones who use Mass Effect relays.

After all, humans were around 50,000 years ago, and didn't get wiped out.

It's also pretty obvious that they don't rely on anything as unreliable as "long range sensors" - as far as I know, in the ME universe sensors are still limited by the speed of light, so in a galaxy 100,000 light years in diameter, scanning for civilizations remotely isn't going to cut it.

[eye basher]

cause otherwise the game would be boring.

[RainyDayLover]

Nanomachines.

[Destr1er]

As others have pointed out, they gain control of the Citadel which is the heart of the current galactic civilization. And with control of the Citidel, they have access to all records, communications and census data, etc.

As for the Normandy taking off into the unknown regions of space, way too small a ship and too small of a crew to sustain a population long enough to repopulate.

If the Protheans, who were more advanced (supposedly) than the current Citadel species could not re-populate and couldn't affect much lasting change after contact with the REapers, then the crew of the Normandy couldn't either.

[Parah_Salin]

There are probably more than afew people trying to do that. I mean thats basically what the Shadow Broaker was trying to do. It won't matter much, you get enough people to sustain any kind of population the reapers will probably notice you.

[mmu1]

Destr1er wrote...

As others have pointed out, they gain control of the Citadel which is the heart of the current galactic civilization. And with control of the Citidel, they have access to all records, communications and census data, etc.

As for the Normandy taking off into the unknown regions of space, way too small a ship and too small of a crew to sustain a population long enough to repopulate.

If the Protheans, who were more advanced (supposedly) than the current Citadel species could not re-populate and couldn't affect much lasting change after contact with the REapers, then the crew of the Normandy couldn't either.

The only reason why this "couldn't" be done is because it'd take away from the danger and the urgency. That's all.

There's no way the Reapers can search the entire galactic volume, and with the level of medical technology present in the ME universe, you don't need a huge number of people to create a stable population. Screening out genetic defects is a trivial thing compared to making designer beings like Miranda or Grunt, or a bioweapon as impossibly perfect as the Genophage.

Like in most mainstream sci-fi, the writers in ME ignore the logical implications of the technologies they've posited whenever they feel it's necessary for the sake of the story.

[88mphSlayer]

information, basically

it's the premise behind Sovereign attacking the Citadel in ME1, if you capture the Citadel you have access to everything from raw data to the means of getting all new data

that's the problem with space-faring civilizations is the reliance on technology gives you something to track, according to vigil the only reason that ilos wasn't wiped out was because it was done in secret with no records

in many ways if "all was lost" then the best place to hide would be The Illusive Man's pad

[Bogsnot1]

Dowsing.

[marshalleck]

mmu1 wrote...

Destr1er wrote...

As others have pointed out, they gain control of the Citadel which is the heart of the current galactic civilization. And with control of the Citidel, they have access to all records, communications and census data, etc.

As for the Normandy taking off into the unknown regions of space, way too small a ship and too small of a crew to sustain a population long enough to repopulate.

If the Protheans, who were more advanced (supposedly) than the current Citadel species could not re-populate and couldn't affect much lasting change after contact with the REapers, then the crew of the Normandy couldn't either.

The only reason why this "couldn't" be done is because it'd take away from the danger and the urgency. That's all.

There's no way the Reapers can search the entire galactic volume, and with the level of medical technology present in the ME universe, you don't need a huge number of people to create a stable population. Screening out genetic defects is a trivial thing compared to making designer beings like Miranda or Grunt, or a bioweapon as impossibly perfect as the Genophage.

Like in most mainstream sci-fi, the writers in ME ignore the logical implications of the technologies they've posited whenever they feel it's necessary for the sake of the story.

There's no way the current species can search the entire galactic volume for habitable planets off the relay network either, and in fact they do not. And taking off in some random direction in some sort of ark ship with no intention of colonizing is not a long term survival plan. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 juin 2011 - 02:17 .

[Nerevar-as]

mmu1 wrote...

Destr1er wrote...

As others have pointed out, they gain control of the Citadel which is the heart of the current galactic civilization. And with control of the Citidel, they have access to all records, communications and census data, etc.

As for the Normandy taking off into the unknown regions of space, way too small a ship and too small of a crew to sustain a population long enough to repopulate.

If the Protheans, who were more advanced (supposedly) than the current Citadel species could not re-populate and couldn't affect much lasting change after contact with the REapers, then the crew of the Normandy couldn't either.

The only reason why this "couldn't" be done is because it'd take away from the danger and the urgency. That's all.

There's no way the Reapers can search the entire galactic volume, and with the level of medical technology present in the ME universe, you don't need a huge number of people to create a stable population. Screening out genetic defects is a trivial thing compared to making designer beings like Miranda or Grunt, or a bioweapon as impossibly perfect as the Genophage.

Like in most mainstream sci-fi, the writers in ME ignore the logical implications of the technologies they've posited whenever they feel it's necessary for the sake of the story.

Said "huge" galactic volume is around 1% of the total Milky Way. Besides relays, normal FTL travel has several limiting issues (that Reapers don´t have), making the use of relays much more practical. Up until now, there was never a warning or reason for races to expand without relays. I find it harder to believe Ilos escaped notice with a city on the surface than the Repaers not killing everyone they want to in a few thousand years.

[SennenScale]

Well, for one, you need a lot more people to make a colony viable. Civilization would suffer from too much inbreeding with the amount of humans you have on the Normandy. And if you want any other races around like Asari and Quarians, you'd have to take into account how many people those races will need to repopulate...Liara will be able to give birth to more Asari, but Tali would need more of her people as she can't breed with humans.

And two, that would be a really lame ending.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

In the future, everyone is on BSN.

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Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 18 juin 2011 - 03:03 .

[SkittlesKat96]

battleroyale565 wrote...

In the case of the Protheans, the Reapers found almost everyone due to them having access to census records. Also, the Reapers have time to be VERY thorough as it's mentioned by Vigil that it took hundreds of years for them to finally pack up and leave. To truly hide from them you'd have to be operating from a location they couldn't easily find and likely with a very small population which would really mess with any descendants you might have further down the line.

I wouldn't be surprised if people did actually hide on asteroids or obscure locations or something, they would have eventually died out after awhile though I bet

[Smeelia]

Also, the Reapers leave at least one "spy" behind to check on things every few years (Sovereign).  You'd really have to find and eliminate the spy (or spies, though it seems there was only one) without letting them warn the others because otherwise they'd notice when civilisation starts emerging way too early and with information on a threat to the galaxy that will turn up in some 49,000 years.  Alternatively, you'd have to keep your society small and quiet until a new galactic society is established and then join it and warn them about the Reapers and hope they believe you.  Evidence would be useful but we know how dangerous Reaper artifacts are so that might be tough, I suppose having a ship (and other things) that dates back to the time that race that supposedly built the Citadel died out might be enough (and you could maybe keep data intact that shows recordings or similar).

It's sort of possible but it's very risky (remember, the Protheans basically succeeded in doing it already but didn't survive the process).

Modifié par Smeelia, 18 juin 2011 - 04:30 .