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[Schneidend]

These attempts to undermine the logic of the ME universe are adorable.

[Arrow70]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

battleroyale565 wrote...

In the case of the Protheans, the Reapers found almost everyone due to them having access to census records. Also, the Reapers have time to be VERY thorough as it's mentioned by Vigil that it took hundreds of years for them to finally pack up and leave. To truly hide from them you'd have to be operating from a location they couldn't easily find and likely with a very small population which would really mess with any descendants you might have further down the line.

I wouldn't be surprised if people did actually hide on asteroids or obscure locations or something, they would have eventually died out after awhile though I bet

Um..  Ilos?

[atheelogos]

stonbw1 wrote...

I may be wrong, but I get the impression that essentially the Reapers swoop in every 50,000 ish years, clean the galaxy out of lifeforms (except those they enslave) and the galaxy begins anew (ala a forest fire); then rinse and repeat.

My question:  how come I couldn't just steal away in the Normandy with the crew to a distant, uninhabited, but habitable world and start my own civilization? In fact, I could be king and let Liara and Tali have a kissing contest to determine who would be my queen.  Can the reapers really find us?  Wouldn't we just procreate and pass the legend of the reapers down and thus, they wouldn't be so ominous in their next visit to the galaxy. Forgive me if this has been answered before.

"I may be wrong, but I get the impression that essentially the Reapers swoop in every 50,000 ish years" Depends on the level of advancement.

"My question:  how come I couldn't just steal away in the Normandy with
the crew to a distant, uninhabited, but habitable world and start my own
civilization" Because the Reapers would find and kill you.

"In fact, I could be king and let Liara and Tali have a kissing contest to determine who would be my queen" So you want to start a new civilization.... and your LI will be aliens..... Who you can't reproduce with...... Makes sense to me!!<_< jk

"Can the reapers really find us? "
Yes they can. Whenever a Relay is activated that info is logged into the hub network, which is the Citadel. Once they Reapers take the hub network in their surprise attack they lock the relays and visit/destroy everything in any cluster that has been visited before. That's how they always know where to look.

Modifié par atheelogos, 19 juin 2011 - 11:40 .

[Skirata129]

well...what would happen if the citadel was blown up?

[TR0D]

Skirata129 wrote...

well...what would happen if the citadel was blown up?

I will do the most epic troll face I can for the Reaper

[Cutlass Jack]

How will they find everyone? Same way anyone else does. Google is a reaper construct.

[Ianamus]

I think they use indoctrinees to act as 'bait' to lead them others of their kind. I think that they also have scanners- the only reason the Protheons on Illos survived I think was because they were in stasis, so showed no life readings.

[Tfw No Qtp2t Gf]

Maybe they will find everyone because those who run won't get that far. It is stated that the Reapers made the Mass Relays, and there was good reason for it. When people find them, they use them. Then they inhabit all of the connected systems and live happily ever after. Then the Reapers come along and use their galactic gang banging scheme of knowing exactly where everyone will be via use of the Mass Relays. People who run wont get far because of the fact that the main mode of fast traveling is the Mass Relays, which wouldn't be safe anymore. So you would fly as far as you can with your limited fuel, then sit around for a hundred years or so until the Reapers find you and add your head to their trophy wall.

[Sister Helen]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

How will they find everyone? Same way anyone else does. Google is a reaper construct.

Ack!  You made the joke I was going to make.  Darn you!

[nicethugbert]

I think the Quarians have the best chance of surviving because they have already adapted to living in a space flotilla and keeping it's location secret. They could bring Asari along to keep population numbers up. Each Quarain could have an Asari harem. If the Quarians would help all the other races establish flotillas then survival rates increase, I suspect.

All the major species would have to pull together and start making and populating flotillas non-stop and just sending them out to the ends of the galaxy. Then, when the Reapers are gone, there will be a lot of Thanix canons floating around.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 19 juin 2011 - 01:42 .

[Tfw No Qtp2t Gf]

nicethugbert wrote...

I think the Quarians have the best chance of surviving because they have already adapted to living in a space flotilla and keeping it's location secret. They could bring Asari along to keep population numbers up. Each Quarain could have an Asari harem. If the Quarians would help all the other races establish flotillas then survival rates increase, I suspect.

All the major species would have to pull together and start making and populating flotillas non-stop and just sending them out to the ends of the galaxy. Then, when the Reapers are gone, there will be a lot of Thanix canons floating around.

Good point, but the problem is if they ARE found, they are pretty much screwed. On a planet, if a building you are in gets attacked, you can leave it and run. In a spaceship in space, you haven't really got that chance. Ship gets broken then you just gotta hope the escape pods are working and are not facing the nearest sun.

[Ianamus]

-Harbinger- wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

I think the Quarians have the best chance of surviving because they have already adapted to living in a space flotilla and keeping it's location secret. They could bring Asari along to keep population numbers up. Each Quarain could have an Asari harem. If the Quarians would help all the other races establish flotillas then survival rates increase, I suspect.

All the major species would have to pull together and start making and populating flotillas non-stop and just sending them out to the ends of the galaxy. Then, when the Reapers are gone, there will be a lot of Thanix canons floating around.

Good point, but the problem is if they ARE found, they are pretty much screwed. On a planet, if a building you are in gets attacked, you can leave it and run. In a spaceship in space, you haven't really got that chance. Ship gets broken then you just gotta hope the escape pods are working and are not facing the nearest sun.

I think that the Quarians have the best chance of survival, but for a completely different reason: We know that the Reapers are invading through the 'south' of the galaxy- and from what we've seen of the Quarian/Geth areas so far (Far Rim, Perseus Veil) they seem to be at the very top of the galaxy, so they should be the last to get hit.

[Tfw No Qtp2t Gf]

EJ107 wrote...

I think that the Quarians have the best chance of survival, but for a completely different reason: We know that the Reapers are invading through the 'south' of the galaxy- and from what we've seen of the Quarian/Geth areas so far (Far Rim, Perseus Veil) they seem to be at the very top of the galaxy, so they should be the last to get hit.

Yes, and that is fair enough. I agree, they probably do stand the best chance of holding out the longest. I'm just saying, their survival pretty much depends on them not being found.

[The Twilight God]

stonbw1 wrote...

I may be wrong, but I get the impression that essentially the Reapers swoop in every 50,000 ish years, clean the galaxy out of lifeforms (except those they enslave) and the galaxy begins anew (ala a forest fire); then rinse and repeat.

My question:  how come I couldn't just steal away in the Normandy with the crew to a distant, uninhabited, but habitable world and start my own civilization? In fact, I could be king and let Liara and Tali have a kissing contest to determine who would be my queen.  Can the reapers really find us?  Wouldn't we just procreate and pass the legend of the reapers down and thus, they wouldn't be so ominous in their next visit to the galaxy. Forgive me if this has been answered before.

The circumstances are alittle different now so that is possible. At least at the onset.

In the past they would take the Citadel and obtain all the galactic census data. Then, with the Citadel, they would disable all the mass relays so that no one could traverse the galaxy. FTL travel will not get you very far with fuel requirments. At this point all system were isolated so they could attack planets at their leisure without any reinformants being able to show up and attack worlds with defensives with overwhelming force. I assume they did a sweep of other areas not found in the galactic census just to be sure there aren't any other space faring races out there who hadn't yet made contact with the Citadel races.


As the relays are intended for sentient species to use, it seems logical to assume they have surveyed the entire galaxy and also can roughly predict which worlds will become habitable so that they can know where to place mass relays, They've been at this for millions of years. Give constant laws of physics they can probably predict the future when it comes to planetary formation if they spread out enough over the galaxy and combined their collective data.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 19 juin 2011 - 02:14 .

[Grissium]

I think most everybody has hit the nail on the head. Basically the reapers can read all the data around fairly easily. It's one of the reasons they leave the relays and the citadel around, so people will base their technology off of stuff the reapers are familiar with. To really hide you would have to first find a planet, then not tell anybody about it. Then get to said planet with enough junk to sustain a population, with nobody being able to track your purchases at all (pay for everything in future cash), and then get all that stuff to the planet without making a record of it. THEN you gotta hope like hell that the crazy Cthulhu-robots don't decide to blow by your planet anyway looking for life. Lastly if you want to be really clever you have to build a base or something to hide your population incase that last one ever happens. The Protheans managed to do this Ilos, but they had an advantage in that they were the only intelligent race around at the time. But it didn't work out so well because only what like 12 survived or something like that, it wasn't enough to keep things going. It was only enough to set things up so the next batch might have a chance. Multiple species with governments and spies and everything actually makes that job way harder.

However, remember everybody that the Citadel is the center of all the plans the Reapers have. If you get a chance to blow it up early in the next game, take it.

[bazzybond]

"Your existence depends on stopping the Reapers not understanding them"

[onelifecrisis]

They have detectors.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

First off, the Reapers ONLY eradicate space-faring races.

Second, over the 1000's of millennia they've existed, I'm fairly certain they've perfected "data-mining".

[Haseeo]

Also remember everyones tech is all based off Reaper tech so easy for them to hack into a read. Even humans dumped all our own progress we made in space travel and such when we found the base on mars in the story.

[TCGodzilla]

ohupthis wrote...

First off, the Reapers ONLY eradicate space-faring races.

However if you read the planet Aphras description an alien race were wipe out during their Bronze Age by massive orbital bombardment that were aimmed directly at habitation centers which cause the local wildlife and plants to come extinct so it can presumed it was the Reapers.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

TCGodzilla wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

First off, the Reapers ONLY eradicate space-faring races.

However if you read the planet Aphras description an alien race were wipe out during their Bronze Age by massive orbital bombardment that were aimmed directly at habitation centers which cause the local wildlife and plants to come extinct so it can presumed it was the Reapers.

I so wanted to avoid further adding to this convo, but here ya go.

Could it be a test-firing?

[TomY90]

Ok i am no expert on the ME universe but VIGIL did a pretty simple explanation of how they do it from ME1.

It said that Citadel was the centre of the government of our galaxy as it is with your galaxy and the same for the ones before us, we placed all our information about our race including all the locations of colonies in the galaxy,

when the reapers came through the Citadel Mass Relay and took control of the Citadel they gained access to everything about our race and turned off all the relays and killed our leaders in one move ... we became separated from each other making it impossible to unify and made us easy prey for the reapers, who systematically destroyed our race.

Vigil said nothing of how they manage to get all the individuals but it is probable that they flatten the built up areas and use indoctrination to get everyone to come out from there hiding spots and eventually become there tools or just empty husks, those bringing them all down in one move.

There is some evidence of this from what Vigil said when they finished there work they left the indoctrinated on there planets with no purpose, no real brain and just rotted away and died due to not being told what to do by there masters. It also mentioned that those indoctrinated betrayed non indoctrinated by informing the reapers of there locations thus killing them.

Hope this is helpful and that is pretty much what they said during ME1

Modifié par TomY90, 19 juin 2011 - 07:29 .

[atheelogos]

Skirata129 wrote...

well...what would happen if the citadel was blown up?

I'm not sure that can happen... It would slow the Reapers sure but it would kill us in the long run. And they would just rebuild it sooner or later.

[Grissium]

I'm just getting more and more convinced the more I think about and play the game, that trying to fight Reapers with Technology based on stuff they made is kinda stupid. The only race that came close to fighting them is a race that almost figured out how to make the technology for themselves. Also Reaper tech itself is corruptive.

[Dragoncloud]

Shepard + a couple asari should be enough to keep a viable ammount of people going, considering asari live long enough to pass on knowledge to their offspring, and their genepool doesn't really suffer from 'inbreeding'. They could easily outlast the couple hundred years of reaping, only problem is that they would have to move to a planet and stay underground and use as little energy as possible.

And if using the relay logs is a problem, take a prison ship, send it to deepspace packed with supplies, keep a low profile for a couple hundred of years and return with a rase of asari full of shepard genes. (hell worst case you can bring the rest of your squad to make the anit pure blood asari happy for a while).



--> on fighting the reapers, wouldn't the geth have major production facilities able to churn out many ships with thanix canons (they more or less just need a few geth to control a dreadnought)?