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[Pasquale1234]

In Exile wrote...
Given that my Warden is off looking for a cure for the taint to be free of being a Grey Warden, the wrong tree is being barked up.

Okay, I get it.  You don't want to play as a Warden.  There are others who feel that way, just as there are others who do want the HoF (or some other Warden) to return.

Huntress wrote...

All my wardens are alive and all but:
1) what about the ones who killed their wardens? should they be forced to play as one? Would they be pleased with the idea of playing a warden again? Why?
2)How is Bioware writes going to come up with all the choices every single one of us had made? do you think is easy or you don't care about how many options they'll over look?
Will you settle if 50% of the options brought to the game are not the choices you had made? 
3)How did you felt been forced on playing as a Human?

Again, I love my warden's, myhawkes but just think on that for a minute.

Do I want to play mywardens? yes. 
Do I want to force all of you to pick my choices so everything fit on my games even if you don't like 90% of them?yes.. lol! No.

1) It's pretty clear that not everyone wants to play as a Warden again and equally clear that there are those who do.  Personal preferences.  Regardless of the type of PC selected, I would expect some people will like it and some will not.  Some people really dislike Hawke.  Given the wide variety of opinions expressed in these forums, they are not going to be able to please everyone.

2) It's hard to say, because it depends on how many of those choices would be reflected in a new story.  I wouldn't really expect there to be much impact, beyond the fate of the Warden.  I was frankly quite surprised to learn that choosing Bhelan for king of Orzammar would result in an additional quest in DA2.  Ultimately, they may be able to continue telling stories without establishing specific canon - or they may, at some point, feel that they need to establish canon in order to move some storyline(s) forward.  It will be interesting to see what happens.

3) It's hard to guess whether BioWare will support different race origins in future games.  I know that many players seem to enjoy playing as different races, but they might have to cut other content to include it.  Whether that would be a good tradeoff is not for me to decide.

[Brockololly]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Exactly. Hasn't Mr. Gaider condemned Awakening's import functionality?

Anyway, I don't think DAII knows the difference between an Orlesian and a Hero of Ferelden, thus all the ambiguity of reference. So, pretending you're someone else is the same as BEING someone else as far as the imports are concerned.

But, what I was getting at is: don't play Awakening at all. Just import straight from Origins, and an Orlesian did it.

Awakening's import process is so mucked up. Besides that most things were never fixed, I remember how Gaider made mention of how with Oghren, the approval numbers wouldn't transfer over. And yet, with DA2 isn't it the case that the approval numbers are necessary for imports to work right with some of the cameos?

I just want to see more with the Wardens, Weisshaupt and the Anderfels. Not to mention whatever the hell they're doing with investigating the idol and the stuff hinted at with Avernus in DA2 and the Architect. Not to mention the Wardens' ties to Morrigan, should she come back. So if they're going to do anything remotely related to the Warden in the future I'd rather play as the Hero of Ferelden or the Orlesian Warden Commander than some new Random Epic Hero of Thedas.

[Huntress]

csfteeeer wrote...

Huntress wrote...

All my wardens are alive and all but:
1) what about the ones who killed their wardens? should they be forced to play as one? Would they be pleased with the idea of playing a warden again? Why?
2)How is Bioware writes going to come up with all the choices every single one of us had made? do you think is easy or you don't care about how many options they'll over look?
Will you settle if 50% of the options brought to the game are not the choices you had made?
3)How did you felt been forced on playing as a Human?

Again, I love my warden's, myhawkes but just think on that for a minute.

Do I want to play mywardens? yes.
Do I want to force all of you to pick my choices so everything fit on my games even if you don't like 90% of them?yes.. lol! No.

1)Well, that's true, although given BioWare's apperant desire of reviving Characters, they could say that the warden revived, and he/she doesn't know why, and that he just knows he/she has to do this.
2)They don't need to come up with every single thing we did, that's too much, only things that we would really care, like Romances.
3) Didn't really bother me, as i usually play as a human anyway, but what does this has to do with this?
if you're mean that if the warden returns, we would be forced to play as humans, then that would not be very good, because people would DEFINETELY be pissed, they already pissed off enough at knowing that you could play a human in DA2, but anyway, we shouldn't, we don't have to, the only thing that could interfere would be the voice actiong, and that shouldn't be a problem, wanna know why?

because games like Saints Row 2 have multiple voice sets for our character, and they all speak the same thing on the cinematics, and if you say "well, in that game, you don't have a dialogue tree, so it's easier cause you don't have multiple choices"
well, in Dungeon Siege III() , there are 4 possible playable characters, and you have to choose one, and this game has dialogue trees, and they all speak.

so clearly, voice acting would not be a problem, they just have to put effort

Ok, why in the name of the maker, you're choices in you're  game should affect the rest of us.

You decided that killing companions/warden was a good idea and now when you learn that they still have things to do you want them DEAD? because you killed them? Well I didn't kill any companion/warden and I haven't seen any ressurection going on, should I call you a liar? Sorry I didn't mean to be rude, But just think for a minute outside the small box you are sitting on.

Ok.. why do you name games I neither knew about or care to know, are this game related in anyway to DA? Why I should be forced on learning about any of them to see you're points?

People will be angry if forced to play as Human but not if they are going to be forced to play a warden even when they do not want to play as one? Do that make any sense?

Not everyone care about romances, some players think adding romances to a game is taking away from killing enemies, dog's, cat's ect. So no, Not everyone think romances are important at all. Important for me, but many do not care about it.

DA2 voice was fine, why should they try to imitate another company when their game taste like roten eggs?

[Aradace]

Guys, Laidlaw has already essentially said that you're not going to see your warden again. You may get some closure for him/her possibly in sort sort of epilogue or something at the very best. But actually playing him/her again isnt going to happen. Period. The End.

I understand that there are people who would like to play their warden again but unfortunately for you that's not going to happen. It's something you just have to accept and move on.

[Pasquale1234]

Aradace wrote...

Guys, Laidlaw has already essentially said that you're not going to see your warden again. You may get some closure for him/her possibly in sort sort of epilogue or something at the very best. But actually playing him/her again isnt going to happen. Period. The End. 

Source?

I've seen a message where he indicated that he felt it would be difficult, but did not state that it would not happen.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Awakening's import process is so mucked up. Besides that most things were never fixed, I remember how Gaider made mention of how with Oghren, the approval numbers wouldn't transfer over. And yet, with DA2 isn't it the case that the approval numbers are necessary for imports to work right with some of the cameos?

No really. The thing that messed up the Awakening imports is that the game threats anyone who stayed at Vigil's Keep as having been killed by the darkspawn, unless you choose to save the Keep instead of Amaranthine. That's why some people don't get Nathaniel's quest, even though he should be alive. Other than that, the romance flags in Awakening as also messed, since the game doesn't recognize them if you import a save from Awakening or any post-Origins DLC, like Witch Hunt. But the approval doesn't count for anything in DA2 as far as I'm aware.

[goofyomnivore]

I'm 1000% behind using an Orelsian Warden or Hero of Fereldon as a future PC. Give him/her a VA if you insist, but bring bring em back .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Don't bring back anyone, stop making Cassandra and the Seeker look like imbeciles, and start anew without the hero worship bs.

[Il Divo]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Don't bring back anyone, stop making Cassandra and the Seeker look like imbeciles, and start anew without the hero worship bs.

This. The Warden's story is finished, barring if you enter the Eluvian. I'd rather play as a completely new PC. We do not need some contrived plot device to extend the Warden's story longer than it was intended.

[Teddie Sage]

I'm 100% against the idea of bringing back the Warden. Why? Because I already have an idea of what my Warden acts like and talks in my mind and wouldn't anyone to change that for all the gold of the world. If they bring the Warden back, they'd only mess up and many people would complain again and again. For DA3, it better be Hawke again. I don't want my Warden to be voiced. He's gone, I don't want to talk about him again. I'm more interested in what my Hawke could do.

[Sylvianus]

No the warden's story isn't over. Personally I am not satisfied with the end of the witch hunt. But I think that for DA3, we must try something else to leave forward all together in the right mood.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 28 juin 2011 - 09:12 .

[Master Shiori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Don't bring back anyone, stop making Cassandra and the Seeker look like imbeciles, and start anew without the hero worship bs.

Ouch!

Would simply saying "Give us a new protagonist" be too much? I know you're not fond of DA2 and all that, but this "imbeciles" and "bs" stuff is really getting old by now.

[Pasquale1234]

Master Shiori wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Awakening's import process is so mucked up. Besides that most things were never fixed, I remember how Gaider made mention of how with Oghren, the approval numbers wouldn't transfer over. And yet, with DA2 isn't it the case that the approval numbers are necessary for imports to work right with some of the cameos?

No really. The thing that messed up the Awakening imports is that the game threats anyone who stayed at Vigil's Keep as having been killed by the darkspawn, unless you choose to save the Keep instead of Amaranthine. That's why some people don't get Nathaniel's quest, even though he should be alive. Other than that, the romance flags in Awakening as also messed, since the game doesn't recognize them if you import a save from Awakening or any post-Origins DLC, like Witch Hunt. But the approval doesn't count for anything in DA2 as far as I'm aware.

I don't want to derail this thread, but would appreciate some clarification.  I recently finished another DAA playthrough with Nathaniel in the final battle party so that I could access his content in DA2.  I have not yet purchased The Exiled Prince, but was planning to do so, and to have a certain other cameo <spoiler> make mention of her romance with the HoF.  But if the romance flags in the DAA import are mucked - maybe that won't work?

TIA

[KnightofPhoenix]

Master Shiori wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Don't bring back anyone, stop making Cassandra and the Seeker look like imbeciles, and start anew without the hero worship bs.

Ouch!

Would simply saying "Give us a new protagonist" be too much? I know you're not fond of DA2 and all that, but this "imbeciles" and "bs" stuff is really getting old by now.

I am also including the Warden and DA:O in it.

[Aradace]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Guys, Laidlaw has already essentially said that you're not going to see your warden again. You may get some closure for him/her possibly in sort sort of epilogue or something at the very best. But actually playing him/her again isnt going to happen. Period. The End. 

Source?

I've seen a message where he indicated that he felt it would be difficult, but did not state that it would not happen.

Unfortunately dont have the link.  In fact, the wording was "Dont expect us to be going to back to a voiceless protagonist anytime soon."  the quote is, more or less verbetim.  That combined with him saying what he did about "importing your warden with the current face morphing system", the chances of seeing your warden again is slim to none.

In leiu of that, it had something to do with the fact that some folks would be ok with "their" warden looking slightlly dfferent, while others who may have spent hours creating his/her face, would more or less want to storm the proverbial castle with torches and pitchforks if there was ANY deviation from their warden's look at all.

And because of that I can understand why they wont do it.  Example:  My primary data that I carried over to DA2 was my Dalish Hunter "Mahariel".  Now, the way he looks in Origins would be greatly different if he ever made an appearance in DA2 due to the new art style for elves.  He also mentioned the VO issue.  Which I also understand.  If you saw your warden, he/she would have to have a VO. (Yes, they would, accept that and move on lol) if they were interacted with at all.  To which  as with the physical appearance issue,  would raise the same concerns.  Some folks wouldnt mind, while others (most likely the majority) would mind it.

Case in point again,  as much as you'd like to see your warden again.  The chances of it happening, while not completely 0, arent much higher than that.  And by not much higher I mean you have at best a %1 chance.  If you're the type that will cling to a measly %1.  Then you reaaaaaalllllly need to step back from the game for a while because one has clearly played this game and grown waaaaaaaay too attached to their warden.

Besides, I'd really like to not have to kill my warden because honestly, Hawke would stomp a mud-hole in Mahariel and walk it dry lol.  And that's all I could see happening if Mahariel came home expecting to see his clan on my playthrough only to find that his entire clan has been wiped out, keeper and all because of Hawke.  That's a confrontation I reaaaalllly dont want to have to choose sides on because Im sorry but, my warden just wouldnt win that fight.

[csfteeeer]

Huntress wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Huntress wrote...

All my wardens are alive and all but:
1) what about the ones who killed their wardens? should they be forced to play as one? Would they be pleased with the idea of playing a warden again? Why?
2)How is Bioware writes going to come up with all the choices every single one of us had made? do you think is easy or you don't care about how many options they'll over look?
Will you settle if 50% of the options brought to the game are not the choices you had made?
3)How did you felt been forced on playing as a Human?

Again, I love my warden's, myhawkes but just think on that for a minute.

Do I want to play mywardens? yes.
Do I want to force all of you to pick my choices so everything fit on my games even if you don't like 90% of them?yes.. lol! No.

1)Well, that's true, although given BioWare's apperant desire of reviving Characters, they could say that the warden revived, and he/she doesn't know why, and that he just knows he/she has to do this.
2)They don't need to come up with every single thing we did, that's too much, only things that we would really care, like Romances.
3) Didn't really bother me, as i usually play as a human anyway, but what does this has to do with this?
if you're mean that if the warden returns, we would be forced to play as humans, then that would not be very good, because people would DEFINETELY be pissed, they already pissed off enough at knowing that you could play a human in DA2, but anyway, we shouldn't, we don't have to, the only thing that could interfere would be the voice actiong, and that shouldn't be a problem, wanna know why?

because games like Saints Row 2 have multiple voice sets for our character, and they all speak the same thing on the cinematics, and if you say "well, in that game, you don't have a dialogue tree, so it's easier cause you don't have multiple choices"
well, in Dungeon Siege III() , there are 4 possible playable characters, and you have to choose one, and this game has dialogue trees, and they all speak.

so clearly, voice acting would not be a problem, they just have to put effort

Ok, why in the name of the maker, you're choices in you're  game should affect the rest of us.

You decided that killing companions/warden was a good idea and now when you learn that they still have things to do you want them DEAD? because you killed them? Well I didn't kill any companion/warden and I haven't seen any ressurection going on, should I call you a liar? Sorry I didn't mean to be rude, But just think for a minute outside the small box you are sitting on.

Ok.. why do you name games I neither knew about or care to know, are this game related in anyway to DA? Why I should be forced on learning about any of them to see you're points?

People will be angry if forced to play as Human but not if they are going to be forced to play a warden even when they do not want to play as one? Do that make any sense?

Not everyone care about romances, some players think adding romances to a game is taking away from killing enemies, dog's, cat's ect. So no, Not everyone think romances are important at all. Important for me, but many do not care about it.

DA2 voice was fine, why should they try to imitate another company when their game taste like roten eggs?

it's not me the one that Killed some characters, but other people did, and they are kinda confused as to why certain Characters (like Leliana) revived for no apparent reason, that was point, apparently they like to revive characters, and if that's their excuse, then they could do that with the warden as well, why not?
they already made a decision for us that our Warden had to disappear, so it's not like they have really respected some peoples decisions, like say,make the warden marry Alistair.

yes, because my point was that if companies like Obsidian or THQ can do it, then BioWare can do it too.

i said people Was already angry when we were told that Hawke would only be a Human, i was answering your question "How Did you Felt When you were forced to play as a Human Only?" , and , i asked what does this has to do with anything?

OK, I'm gonna say this loud and clear, Obviously not everybody cares about the romances, But EVERYBODY caring about something is NEVER going to happen, so the right thing is to listen to the MAYORITY, when i said we, i meant "WE" as the people, not "WE" of you and me, and the mayority cares about romances, and, Obviously, they don't have to make every single one of our decisions matter, just the ones that MOST people whould really care, Like Romances, as i said.

What? DA2 voice was fine? what are you talking about?
i was talking about the possibility that if the Warden returns, the only problem i saw was the voice acting, and i mentioned those games because it helped prove my point that the only thing that is needed is effort, and effort whether the game is good or not(and knowing BioWare, it's definetely good), is admirable.

[Giggles_Manically]

My main warden is dead.... just saying.

[Sutekh]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

My main warden is dead.... just saying.

And mine is not. Just saying.

I'm not in favor of the Warden's return, but this is a poor argument. Not only it's selfish, but it's a problem with an easy solution, which has already been said many, many times.

[Teddie Sage]

But BioWare won't revert to Silent Protagonist. Even though it's the easy solution, they don't want that.

[Pasquale1234]

Aradace wrote...
Unfortunately dont have the link.  In fact, the wording was "Dont expect us to be going to back to a voiceless protagonist anytime soon."  the quote is, more or less verbetim.  That combined with him saying what he did about "importing your warden with the current face morphing system", the chances of seeing your warden again is slim to none.

In leiu of that, it had something to do with the fact that some folks would be ok with "their" warden looking slightlly dfferent, while others who may have spent hours creating his/her face, would more or less want to storm the proverbial castle with torches and pitchforks if there was ANY deviation from their warden's look at all.

I've addressed all of this before.  Any Warden (HoF or a new one) in a new game would be voiced and rendered on the new engine.  I understand that some players would have a problem with that.  Those who would not like to see their HoF voiced and on the new rendering engine could create a new Warden.

Aradace wrote...
Besides, I'd really like to not have to kill my warden because honestly, Hawke would stomp a mud-hole in Mahariel and walk it dry lol.  And that's all I could see happening if Mahariel came home expecting to see his clan on my playthrough only to find that his entire clan has been wiped out, keeper and all because of Hawke.  That's a confrontation I reaaaalllly dont want to have to choose sides on because Im sorry but, my warden just wouldnt win that fight.

Assuming your Warden and Hawke ever met.

Your Warden would also be fighting on the new combat engine, with a build from the new skill trees.  Assuming they were both about the same level with their builds optimized, I'm not sure how anyone could predict which one would win.  It would be no different than a fight between Hawke and one of his companions.

[DonutsDealer]

I don't want a new protagonist in DA3, we already have Hawke and the Warden (HoF or Orlesian Commander). Why not finishing their story before starting with a new hero?

[In Exile]

csfteeeer wrote...
1) you always talk as if we had control over what happened with the warden, the warden disappeared, so it's not like they didn't already made that decision for us

Well, if the Warden is supposed to be ''our'' character, then I'm just pointing out how re-using the Warden in DA3 works against that.

Pasquale1234 wrote...
Okay, I get it.  You don't want to play
as a Warden.  There are others who feel that way, just as there are
others who do want the HoF (or some other Warden) to return.

It's not that I don't want the Warden back - it's just that Bioware can't ever bring back the Warden without doing justice to my Warden.

So I'd be forced to have a character I'd never play in DA:O - it's essentially telling me to use another player's PC.

What I'm trying to illustrate is that the freedom of the Warden being whoever you want (in theory, anyway) means that you suddenly have a huge motivation problem.

DA:A requires you to take on the mission of the Grey Wardens in Ferelden. But there might be lots of Wardens that don't want that. For them, their story ends abruptly. Why should Bioware set a cannon that you like and not a cannon that I like? That's the question I'm posing.

Brockololly wrote...
I just want to see more with the Wardens,
Weisshaupt and the Anderfels. Not to mention whatever the hell they're
doing with investigating the idol and the stuff hinted at with Avernus
in DA2 and the Architect. Not to mention the Wardens' ties to Morrigan,
should she come back. So if they're going to do anything remotely
related to the Warden in the future I'd rather play as the Hero of
Ferelden or the Orlesian Warden Commander than some new Random Epic Hero
of Thedas.

Well, I agree with you that the Grey Warden story could be interesting (if we ever have a story about the origin of the Blight) but why should we be forced into your vision of the Warden?

Modifié par In Exile, 28 juin 2011 - 11:05 .

[In Exile]

Sutekh wrote...
And mine is not. Just saying.

I'm not in favor of the Warden's return, but this is a poor argument. Not only it's selfish, but it's a problem with an easy solution, which has already been said many, many times.

The opposite is equally selfish. Why should either of you get a story written for one at the expense of the other?

[Sutekh]

In Exile wrote...

Sutekh wrote...
And mine is not. Just saying.

I'm not in favor of the Warden's return, but this is a poor argument. Not only it's selfish, but it's a problem with an easy solution, which has already been said many, many times.

The opposite is equally selfish. Why should either of you get a story written for one at the expense of the other?

The fact I said I'm not in favor of said return set aside, if we have a system like Awakening, then the Dead Warden players can play with a new Warden, while the Alive Warden players can play with their good old Warden. Everyone can play according to that aspect of their canon.

Ideally, Dead Wardens' playthrough could be imported so their decisions are taken into account, and the story could be the New Warden picks up where the deceased left, and stories continuing/closing specific The Warden business (e.g. WH) be treated as optional side quests, with possible optional content for New Wardens too, so they're not punished by having less.

My Warden is Dead is at the expense of My Warden is Alive, because it completely closes the door to any possibility, and allows only one canon. The reverse isn't true.

It becomes much more complicated though (and not feasible, IMHO), when all the possible other variables are taken into account. But dead/not dead is not insurmontable.

[Ariella]

What real story gain do we get if the Warden's brought back? I really don't see anything more that could be done with the various endings that the Warden/Hero of Fereldan could meet. DA has never been about the Warden or the Grey Wardens as a group. It's about Thedas and the Dragon Age. New characters in new places give new perspectives on Thedas' story. Think along the likes of Song of Ice and Fire, where each chapter jumps to a new pov character... That's most likely what we're going to see for the series.