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[quaresma_Pt]

Sutekh wrote...

quaresma_Pt wrote...

Huntress wrote...
Templars did the same with morrigan fighting in denerim, mage tower and redcliff, The templars ignored her been an apostate, witch of the wilds and most likely a blood-mage walking around with 2  fugitives wardens-king slayers, and this wardens were been hunted by Loghain who is/was a Hero for 90% part of the game .. isn't that wierd? Or did you miss the hole origens story?

I like hawke yes the game has few things that bothers me but is not as terrible as you make it seems.

 They did? Oh i remember so comments about her, cause she was mage. YES I REMEMBER.   Go play origins again then talk.

Morrigan being a mage only came up if you (the player/the Warden) mentioned it. Otherwise, not a word. On the same page, you could use blood magic under their very noses without them reacting. I know, I've done it. That was fun.

 No, i remember templars talking  with morrigan about it. Play again.:whistle:

[Sutekh]

quaresma_Pt wrote...

Sutekh wrote...

quaresma_Pt wrote...

Huntress wrote...
Templars did the same with morrigan fighting in denerim, mage tower and redcliff, The templars ignored her been an apostate, witch of the wilds and most likely a blood-mage walking around with 2  fugitives wardens-king slayers, and this wardens were been hunted by Loghain who is/was a Hero for 90% part of the game .. isn't that wierd? Or did you miss the hole origens story?

I like hawke yes the game has few things that bothers me but is not as terrible as you make it seems.

 They did? Oh i remember so comments about her, cause she was mage. YES I REMEMBER.   Go play origins again then talk.

Morrigan being a mage only came up if you (the player/the Warden) mentioned it. Otherwise, not a word. On the same page, you could use blood magic under their very noses without them reacting. I know, I've done it. That was fun.

 No, i remember templars talking  with morrigan about it. Play again.:whistle:

Where?

(And you're really bad at that condescending tone, you know.)

[Zanallen]

DSerpa wrote...

I really do get tired of hearing this. Unless you fed your Warden to the Archdemon, his/her story ended on a cliffhanger. Besides, even if you ignore the darkspawn-related plot door left open at the end of Awakening, or the Flemeth/Morrigan/Eluvian/OGB plot, the Warden is a powerful political figure in a country that's about to go to war with Orlais. Then again, Hawke's story also ended on a cliffhanger. Ugh. I hope Bioware learns how to write an ending before the next game is finished.

At the very least, stop being so damned assertive. You know as much about the creative direction of the DA franchise as the rest of us. Just because you think something unlikely does not make it impossible.

It is not a cliffhanger. Just because the story doesn't hold your hand and tell you every little detail about the Warden's life after Origins doesn't make it a cliffhanger. With the vast majority of stories, once the current plot has reached its end, it is over. There is no need for a sequel staring that character.

And how am I being assertive? I'm stating my opinion that I don't want to see the Warden again. The fact that he can be dead makes it unlikely that he will return. Also, from the very beginning, DA has been about the world and events, not a particular person or group.

[OmegaBlue0231]

My Warden has a nice life with Anora, I think he should just stay on the throne and out of the fighting.

[Sutekh]

Zanallen wrote...

It is not a cliffhanger. Just because the story doesn't hold your hand and tell you every little detail about the Warden's life after Origins doesn't make it a cliffhanger. With the vast majority of stories, once the current plot has reached its end, it is over. There is no need for a sequel staring that character.

For some Wardens, it is. Two of mine were left hanging with a "surprise" from Morrigan at the end of WH, without me having the slightest idea what the "surprise" is (I have my theory, though). For those, there might be things pending with the Architect, Avernus, the OGB etc... (as shown in DA2 with the letter found on a corpse). It is a cliffhanger.

And it's exactly why I don't think the Warden will return except, maybe, for a cameo because there are way too many variables, and a good number of players seem to have one canon Warden, who may be dead or happily married and royalty now, or something along the line.

[Zanallen]

Sutekh wrote...

For some Wardens, it is. Two of mine were left hanging with a "surprise" from Morrigan at the end of WH, without me having the slightest idea what the "surprise" is (I have my theory, though). For those, there might be things pending with the Architect, Avernus, the OGB etc... (as shown in DA2 with the letter found on a corpse). It is a cliffhanger.

And it's exactly why I don't think the Warden will return except, maybe, for a cameo because there are way too many variables, and a good number of players seem to have one canon Warden, who may be dead or happily married and royalty now, or something along the line.

I'll give you the Morrigan lives ending of Witch Hunt. But the Architect is hardly a cliffhanger. He is either dead or he isn't. If he's alive, he goes into the Deep Roads and takes the darkspawn with him. He can be brought back without any need for the Warden to be around. Same with Avernus. He is either dead or working with the order. No real need for the Warden to address it. The OGB is messy as hell. He is only connected to the Warden in one ending for Origins and is not considered canon. Even then, a new protagonist can deal with him. The Warden isn't actually needed for the plot.

But you do bring up another issue with the Warden returning. The sheer number of variables makes it difficult for Bioware to handle the situation well.

[Sutekh]

Zanallen wrote...

Sutekh wrote...

For some Wardens, it is. Two of mine were left hanging with a "surprise" from Morrigan at the end of WH, without me having the slightest idea what the "surprise" is (I have my theory, though). For those, there might be things pending with the Architect, Avernus, the OGB etc... (as shown in DA2 with the letter found on a corpse). It is a cliffhanger.

And it's exactly why I don't think the Warden will return except, maybe, for a cameo because there are way too many variables, and a good number of players seem to have one canon Warden, who may be dead or happily married and royalty now, or something along the line.

I'll give you the Morrigan lives ending of Witch Hunt. But the Architect is hardly a cliffhanger. He is either dead or he isn't. If he's alive, he goes into the Deep Roads and takes the darkspawn with him. He can be brought back without any need for the Warden to be around. Same with Avernus. He is either dead or working with the order. No real need for the Warden to address it. The OGB is messy as hell. He is only connected to the Warden in one ending for Origins and is not considered canon. Even then, a new protagonist can deal with him. The Warden isn't actually needed for the plot.

But you do bring up another issue with the Warden returning. The sheer number of variables makes it difficult for Bioware to handle the situation well.

I agree the Warden isn't needed for the plot if any of those were to return, but I was pointing at the lack of closure and unfinished business some Wardens might have. My canon Warden is one of those. He told Avernus to experiment and to keep him posted (roughly), so I would have loved to know what Avernus had come up with. The Architect, for me, was a potential ally etc...

But in term of story, I understand that the more likely plot is the Warden "retiring" peacefully until the Calling comes (or being dead), unless the plot is darkspawn-based, which I doubt.

I would have loved to play my Warden again, but I honestly don't think it would be a good thing for a whole game plot. Not mentioning the fact that he's already super-über-powerful, so character building would be lacking. There are too many cons and not enough pros.

[Zanallen]

Sure, there are loose plot threads that might lead to major events down the line. I just don't feel that the Warden is needed for any of them and that is what I think of when I refer to a cliffhanger. Like the end of the last Dresden Files novel. I am not going to say what happens in case someone reading this is currently reading the series, but it was a huge cliffhanger. Or the end of the Dark Knight movie. That is also a cliffhanger. It directly involves the main character in a precarious or difficult dilemma. Ironically enough, the ending of Cliffhanger was not a cliffhanger.

[GodWood]

I don't want the Warden back because BiowEAre would most likely ruin him (giving him a voice would result in me immediately abandoning the series)

And I don't want Hawke back because I hated Hawke.


So basically what I'm hoping for is a new protaganist.
Preferably silent.

[Sutekh]

Zanallen wrote...

Sure, there are loose plot threads that might lead to major events down the line. I just don't feel that the Warden is needed for any of them and that is what I think of when I refer to a cliffhanger. Like the end of the last Dresden Files novel. I am not going to say what happens in case someone reading this is currently reading the series, but it was a huge cliffhanger. Or the end of the Dark Knight movie. That is also a cliffhanger. It directly involves the main character in a precarious or difficult dilemma. Ironically enough, the ending of Cliffhanger was not a cliffhanger.

Pretty much. It's like in those series that are cancelled without so much of a warning to the writers. The finale ends the story, but there are still loose ends, and some characters may be left hanging (on the edge of a cliff, he). Problem being this character is many characters, and this character is the main character. It is understandable that some people are left... unsatisfied.

[steelfire_dragon]

who is this hawke you speak of??
who is this warden you speak of??

there is only cmmdr shepard .... hahahahahahaha

just kidding, there is only Thedas

[TEWR]

Sutekh wrote...

quaresma_Pt wrote...

Sutekh wrote...

quaresma_Pt wrote...

Huntress wrote...
Templars did the same with morrigan fighting in denerim, mage tower and redcliff, The templars ignored her been an apostate, witch of the wilds and most likely a blood-mage walking around with 2  fugitives wardens-king slayers, and this wardens were been hunted by Loghain who is/was a Hero for 90% part of the game .. isn't that wierd? Or did you miss the hole origens story?

I like hawke yes the game has few things that bothers me but is not as terrible as you make it seems.

 They did? Oh i remember so comments about her, cause she was mage. YES I REMEMBER.   Go play origins again then talk.

Morrigan being a mage only came up if you (the player/the Warden) mentioned it. Otherwise, not a word. On the same page, you could use blood magic under their very noses without them reacting. I know, I've done it. That was fun.

 No, i remember templars talking  with morrigan about it. Play again.:whistle:

Where?

(And you're really bad at that condescending tone, you know.)

In Lothering's Chantry talk to a plain Templar with a full helm and he'll comment on Morrigan going "You! You seem quite.... odd."


Which in all honesty isn't that hard to notice about Morrigan. She does scream at the top of her lungs "Look at me! I'm odd!" by the way she dresses and acts. It's not commenting on her being a mage blatantly, but that is the most likely cause for the comment. 

[Clover Rider]

GodWood wrote...

I don't want the Warden back because BiowEAre would most likely ruin him (giving him a voice would result in me immediately abandoning the series)

And I don't want Hawke back because I hated Hawke.


So basically what I'm hoping for is a new protaganist.
Preferably silent.

But if the new protaganist had a voice would it be fine for you? just wondering.

[Jaldaric]

Some Geth wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I don't want the Warden back because BiowEAre would most likely ruin him (giving him a voice would result in me immediately abandoning the series)

And I don't want Hawke back because I hated Hawke.


So basically what I'm hoping for is a new protaganist.
Preferably silent.

But if the new protaganist had a voice would it be fine for you? just wondering.

I wouldn't mind. I'd prefer the silent protagonist myself.

As long as they get rid of those stupid icons and paraphrasing. That was done poorly and quite idiotic.

[Sutekh]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
In Lothering's Chantry talk to a plain Templar with a full helm and he'll comment on Morrigan going "You! You seem quite.... odd."

Which in all honesty isn't that hard to notice about Morrigan. She does scream at the top of her lungs "Look at me! I'm odd!" by the way she dresses and acts. It's not commenting on her being a mage blatantly, but that is the most likely cause for the comment. 

I remember that, and I never took it as a comment about her being a mage, more looking Chasind or something along the line. Especially since the same Templar doesn't say a word about a mage Warden, even one wearing Tevinter robes (Tevinter robes. In the Chantry. Did I love this moments!) and a very suspicious looking staff emerging from his back.

And yes, yes, she does.

[TEWR]

Sutekh wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
In Lothering's Chantry talk to a plain Templar with a full helm and he'll comment on Morrigan going "You! You seem quite.... odd."

Which in all honesty isn't that hard to notice about Morrigan. She does scream at the top of her lungs "Look at me! I'm odd!" by the way she dresses and acts. It's not commenting on her being a mage blatantly, but that is the most likely cause for the comment. 

I remember that, and I never took it as a comment about her being a mage, more looking Chasind or something along the line. Especially since the same Templar doesn't say a word about a mage Warden, even one wearing Tevinter robes (Tevinter robes. In the Chantry. Did I love this moments!) and a very suspicious looking staff emerging from his back.

And yes, yes, she does.

I too love those moments. Not even the Mages' Collective recognizes a mage! The only Templars that recognize a mage Warden are Ser Bryant (whom you can tell IIRC, to which Morrigan would then say "I as well") and the ones in the Circle.


I would've been laughing though if the Templars in the Tower didn't recognize a Mage Warden.

Jaldaric wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I don't want the Warden back because BiowEAre would most likely ruin him (giving him a voice would result in me immediately abandoning the series)

And I don't want Hawke back because I hated Hawke.


So basically what I'm hoping for is a new protaganist.
Preferably silent.

But if the new protaganist had a voice would it be fine for you? just wondering.

I wouldn't mind. I'd prefer the silent protagonist myself.

As long as they get rid of those stupid icons and paraphrasing. That was done poorly and quite idiotic.

I don't mind the tone icons. There was an image on another thread (can't remember which one) where Dragoonlordz posted what should've been done.


List of choices with the tone to the side. It looked amazing imo. I just can't stand the paraphrase, even if Hawke said things I would've said in most situations.


Voiced or silent PC is fine with me. I could care less. I posted my reasons on another thread why voice doesn't bother me, and sadly, I can't remember what thread that was either.

[PsychoBlonde]

Atakuma wrote...

No thanks.

I'd much rather they keep with the new game, new protagonist trend.  I also don't want ANY of the companions back as in-party companions except possibly Sten and/or Varric, and I'd be perfectly content giving those two a miss as well.

I actually wouldn't mind if they do something completely offbeat for the next game, like forcing us to play an Elf and setting it primarily in the ruins of the Dales (in Orlais) where all sorts of weird stuff is going down involving a.) an Eluvian that can be used as a portal to Arlathan, b.) Morrigan and Flemeth having a showdown of some kind, c.) the OGB and the Architect getting together and having some crazy ideas.

That'd actually be kind of cool, offbeat, a huge risk, not what anyone was expecting, and maybe we could have some elves who were badass this time.

You know what would be even more awesome?  If they really stretched themselves and the game I suggested above was basically a massive dungeon crawl exploring the ruined Dales and deep roads and ruined Arlathan.  I mean really massive, and full of all sorts of really awesome puzzles, a la Eye of the Beholder.  It'd be old school.  It'd be totally out of left field.  IT WOULD BE SWEET.  And there'd be bound to be tons of darkspawn/elves/dwarves to do political intrigues and such with.  Making the humans and the Qunari a sideline for the next game might be a lot of fun.

:happy:

Modifié par PsychoBlonde, 19 juin 2011 - 04:10 .

[GodWood]

Some Geth wrote...
But if the new protaganist had a voice would it be fine for you? just wondering.

If it was voiced I'd wait for a significant price drop and buy it pre-owned.

[RedSonia]

I don't know what will they do, but while I love my warden to pieces and I really want to know more about her fate, I haven't been even able to finish my first Hawke playthrough yet.

I prefer a non-voiced character who has definitely a LOT to say (even if it is not true it was not voiced, since the Warden IS voiced, just doesn't speak in cutscenes, as it also happens in many other amazing RPGs) than a fully voiced one who only speaks to his/her companions twice and to who speaking to them is a quest in itself.

My vote is: more Warden adventures!!!! But please, also respect their outcomes  and love interests!!!

Modifié par RedSonia, 19 juin 2011 - 09:25 .

[Clover Rider]

GodWood wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
But if the new protaganist had a voice would it be fine for you? just wondering.

If it was voiced I'd wait for a significant price drop and buy it pre-owned.

Never took you for a guy who cared that much about voiced protagonists(in BioWare games that is) oh well you learn something new everyday.

[Hel]

I'd rather play a new character over having to play with the Warden(s) or Hawke.

The reason behind my preference? High levels! If the story would involve either of the existing characters again, BioWare would have to up the level cap, create new challenges and new sets of items. I'd much rather keep playing in the area between inexperienced adventurer and would-be hero. At least then the characters wouldn't have to face off against ridiculously powerful opponents... like Bandit Pirate Lords or some such.  Let's stay in the realm of fantasy-realism here, where slaying a dragon is a feat worthy of legend and bandits can still pose a danger.

Thank you!

Modifié par Helekanalaith, 19 juin 2011 - 09:54 .

[Deathwurm]

It would be nice to see our Warden's again...but not with DA3 centered completely around them. I really believe this Franchise is more about the Time Period in which it takes place (i.e. the Dragon Age)

My hope is that Bioware continues to explore the World they've created rather than focus on Protagonists from previous games.

There are things that need to be resolved to make the experience more satisfying, but they may already be in the works...only time will tell.

The one Character that I believe may continue to appear throughout the Franchise is Flemeth...I think she is going to be the Link that binds the Series together.

[Siven80]

There has been a millions threads the same as this.

Personally i prefer to have a new protagonist in each new DA game. After all, the series as i see it is about the world of Thedas and how your characters fit and shape it.

I wouldnt mind seeing the Warden in a cameo of sorts, but i'm not sure if i would like to play him/her again.

And as i said in another thread, have the protagonist voiced but with an option to toggle the voice off for those who like a mute character.

[Sidney]

DSerpa wrote...

I really do get tired of hearing this. Unless you fed your Warden to the Archdemon, his/her story ended on a cliffhanger. Besides, even if you ignore the darkspawn-related plot door left open at the end of Awakening, or the Flemeth/Morrigan/Eluvian/OGB plot, the Warden is a powerful political figure in a country that's about to go to war with Orlais. Then again, Hawke's story also ended on a cliffhanger. Ugh. I hope Bioware learns how to write an ending before the next game is finished.

At the very least, stop being so damned assertive. You know as much about the creative direction of the DA franchise as the rest of us. Just because you think something unlikely does not make it impossible.

The Warden isn't a powerful political figure unless you slapped him on the throne. I never did actually so none of mine arer anything other than the apolitical wardens.

As other have stated how do you build off a world where X players finished DAO, X+Y did DAA and then another group did X+Y+Z finished  WH (I don't think GoA had any decisions that would carry over). Now toss in that in each of those "jumps" there are variants on what the warden did or didn't do. Logistically I think it would be hard/impossible to create a coherent plot line out of that narrative mess.

Oddly at the end of DAO there was an "end". AD is dead and that's the end, or at least how most stories end. I don't know what stories you read where people keep going until they die of old age but when the conflict ends, the story ends. DAA and wH actually opened the story up again but those openings are a lot more problematic.