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[thenemesis77]

Aradace wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

If DA3 has Hawke as main character, I'm not gonna do anything more than buy the game pre-owned. Bioware's getting none of my money.
And if they have a new protagonist that has a dialogue wheel and voice, I'm buying it pre-owned, because Bioware's not getting my money.
But if they either have a new protagonist that is silent, or they bring back the Warden, then I will Pre-order the Collectors edition.

Just lettin' you know, Bioware, i think there are a lot of other people out there who agree with me, even it they don't frequent this site...

Guess you're going to be buying the game pre-owned lol.  I can say with %100 certainty that you WILL NOT be getting your silent protagonist back.  See the link in my sig if you want to know what I think about you folks pining and whining about not getting your silent hero back.  

Just get over it, seriously.  Either buy the game pre-owned as you said you were going to or dont play the game at all.  You have a %0 probability of getting either your Warden or a new silent protag back.  The End.  Period.  End of Story.  Move.  The.  F***.  On!!

You sure think you know your ****........so full of it, you work for BioWare? I just love your kind, the same way you love our kind. I would love to meet you, I bet we woudl really get along........

Modifié par thenemesis77, 21 juin 2011 - 12:32 .

[Atakuma]

thenemesis77 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

If DA3 has Hawke as main character, I'm not gonna do anything more than buy the game pre-owned. Bioware's getting none of my money.
And if they have a new protagonist that has a dialogue wheel and voice, I'm buying it pre-owned, because Bioware's not getting my money.
But if they either have a new protagonist that is silent, or they bring back the Warden, then I will Pre-order the Collectors edition.

Just lettin' you know, Bioware, i think there are a lot of other people out there who agree with me, even it they don't frequent this site...

Guess you're going to be buying the game pre-owned lol.  I can say with %100 certainty that you WILL NOT be getting your silent protagonist back.  See the link in my sig if you want to know what I think about you folks pining and whining about not getting your silent hero back.  

Just get over it, seriously.  Either buy the game pre-owned as you said you were going to or dont play the game at all.  You have a %0 probability of getting either your Warden or a new silent protag back.  The End.  Period.  End of Story.  Move.  The.  F***.  On!!

You sure think you know your ****........so full of it, you work for BioWare? I just love your kind, the same way you love our kind. I would love to meet you, I bet we woudl really get along........

Despite being a jerk about it, Aradace is right that they aren't going to go back to a silent PC, Mike laidlaw has said as much.

[TEWR]

A voiced protagonist with the list and tones to the side would work best (IMO anyway).


But they would need at 6-8 different voices if they do Origin stories again, which doesn't necessarily mean 6-8 VAs. Just find a voice actor who can do different voices to minimize how many VAs they need.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 juin 2011 - 12:42 .

[thenemesis77]

Atakuma wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

If DA3 has Hawke as main character, I'm not gonna do anything more than buy the game pre-owned. Bioware's getting none of my money.
And if they have a new protagonist that has a dialogue wheel and voice, I'm buying it pre-owned, because Bioware's not getting my money.
But if they either have a new protagonist that is silent, or they bring back the Warden, then I will Pre-order the Collectors edition.

Just lettin' you know, Bioware, i think there are a lot of other people out there who agree with me, even it they don't frequent this site...

Guess you're going to be buying the game pre-owned lol.  I can say with %100 certainty that you WILL NOT be getting your silent protagonist back.  See the link in my sig if you want to know what I think about you folks pining and whining about not getting your silent hero back.  

Just get over it, seriously.  Either buy the game pre-owned as you said you were going to or dont play the game at all.  You have a %0 probability of getting either your Warden or a new silent protag back.  The End.  Period.  End of Story.  Move.  The.  F***.  On!!

You sure think you know your ****........so full of it, you work for BioWare? I just love your kind, the same way you love our kind. I would love to meet you, I bet we woudl really get along........

Despite being a jerk about it, Aradace is right that they aren't going to go back to a silent PC, Mike laidlaw has said as much.

Thats not the point, his "rage' for us that like the Warden is sad to see.  You want us to..what was that...Get the **** over it? Really, you may try that kind of scare tactics to get peoplej to shut up......oh but please don't listen to this guy. 

If you hate Hawke or the Warden.......woopy dooo but don't attack people...

[Bryy_Miller]

Nemesis, cut it out. Are you honestly threatening to beat him up over an internet post?

[Bryy_Miller]

double post

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 21 juin 2011 - 01:11 .

[trademark2]

no i don't want to play as a warden again. the wardens arent coming back, im sure.

reading some comments further up the page...

theres people who want a completely silent protaganist? wow... thank god that's not happening. why on earth would you want a silent person.

Modifié par trademark2, 21 juin 2011 - 01:45 .

[What?]

Would love to see the Warden back, but it's likely NOT going to happen. Laidlaw said as much a few times on the forums, as well as in an e-mail I received from him when I asked about the Warden. Sad, but that's how it goes. Either we're with a new protagonist in DA3, or they're going to make Hawke the poster-boy. No getting around that, unfortunately.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 21 juin 2011 - 01:49 .

[Serpieri Nei]

Seems to me people want the Warden back for other reason than him being silent but it seems some people are unable to comprehend that.

What I find interesting however, is that Dragon age is supposedly about Thedas. So Hawke will not be returning unless Bioware decides to do a 180 on that as well.

[What?]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Seems to me people want the Warden back for other reason than him being silent but it seems some people are unable to comprehend that.

What I find interesting however, is that Dragon age is supposedly about Thedas. So Hawke will not be returning unless Bioware decides to do a 180 on that as well.

Retcons anyone? I really wouldn't put it past them to stick Hawke as the new poster-boy. But that's just me.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 21 juin 2011 - 01:52 .

[Jaldaric]

trademark2 wrote...
theres people who want a completely silent protaganist? wow... thank god that's not happening. why on earth would you want a silent person.

Some of us have the imagination to supply "our" own voice for the protagonist, and enjoy a more true RP experience.

5+ million sales for Fallout games kind of agree there.

[trademark2]

ah, well. what if the voice wheel included silence then. although i doubt that was the reason fallout sold well.

Modifié par trademark2, 21 juin 2011 - 01:53 .

[Sutekh]

Jaldaric wrote...
Some of us have the imagination to supply "our" own voice for the protagonist, and enjoy a more true RP experience.

And some of us like hearing the voice of their protagonist. Doesn't say anything about our imagination or our ability to "truly RP". It's just enjoying it.

I supplied the voice of my Wardens, although sometimes it was difficult not to figure them mute and telepaths. Expressionless mute telepaths. I would have prefered them voiced and expressive. I did without.

And anyway, a CRPG cannot be "true RP", if you go that elitist way. Not since Zork, anyway, or maybe Wizardry. True RP, pure imagination, is PnP. The game offers you a visual, NPC voices and sounds that already get in the way of imagination. 

I have nothing against people who don't like voiced PCs. Those who think that makes them better and superior in any way is another matter.

[Jaldaric]

Sutekh wrote...
I have nothing against people who don't like voiced PCs. Those who think that makes them better and superior in any way is another matter.

Never implied that its better and superior, and harkening more towards the old NWN1 persistant worlds, silent protag reminds me of that. Also PnP, needed some quick thinking and creative writing there!

I just find you get more content with a silent protag than VA. VA cuts out dialogue, not saying VA is bad, I quite enjoyed it for ME1/2. It fit better in that universe, VA in Dragon Age kind of sticks out like a sore thumb. Or maybe its because they're trying to be too similar to ME?

Dragon Protocol Effect 2 heh. (stole that from that crusty fella)

On an unreleated note, I love reading books. I have a whole closet full, that could be one reason I prefer a silent protag...

[Realmzmaster]

The only reason why early CRPGS did not have a voiced protagonist was lack of technology back then. There is no such thing as a silent protagonist in a P n P session. Many early computers simply lacked the power to do it.
The other reason is gamers grew up playing a silent protagonist. If we had grown up playing games with a voiced protagonist this issue would not exist..
Gamers of this generation are now growing up with VO, so to them it would be strange not to have VO. Just like the graphics of early games pale in comparison to games now.
It boils down to expectations. Gamers now have different expectations.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only reason why early CRPGS did not have a voiced protagonist was lack of technology back then. There is no such thing as a silent protagonist in a P n P session. Many early computers simply lacked the power to do it.
The other reason is gamers grew up playing a silent protagonist. If we had grown up playing games with a voiced protagonist this issue would not exist..
Gamers of this generation are now growing up with VO, so to them it would be strange not to have VO. Just like the graphics of early games now pales in comparison to games now.
It boils down to expectations. Gamers now have different expectations.

I concur with this statement.

[Serpieri Nei]

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only reason why early CRPGS did not have a voiced protagonist was lack of technology back then. There is no such thing as a silent protagonist in a P n P session. Many early computers simply lacked the power to do it.
The other reason is gamers grew up playing a silent protagonist. If we had grown up playing games with a voiced protagonist this issue would not exist..
Gamers of this generation are now growing up with VO, so to them it would be strange not to have VO. Just like the graphics of early games pale in comparison to games now.
It boils down to expectations. Gamers now have different expectations.

So new Gamers should expect VO`s, recycled maps, less Customization, shallow sketches, tedious gameplay, non tactical combat replaced by waves, butchered frame narrative, three short stories vs. an epic story, high rez and low rez textures thrown in, sterile environments, less content, and titles being rushed to production.

Yeah, Don`t think I`ll be lowering my expectations for Bioware anytime soon.  

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 21 juin 2011 - 03:23 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only reason why early CRPGS did not have a voiced protagonist was lack of technology back then. There is no such thing as a silent protagonist in a P n P session. Many early computers simply lacked the power to do it.
The other reason is gamers grew up playing a silent protagonist. If we had grown up playing games with a voiced protagonist this issue would not exist..
Gamers of this generation are now growing up with VO, so to them it would be strange not to have VO. Just like the graphics of early games pale in comparison to games now.
It boils down to expectations. Gamers now have different expectations.

So new Gamers should expect VO`s

Yes. 

[Zeevico]

Why have different expectations? This has nothing to do with advances in technology, they could have had a voiced protagonist in BG2 as well. They didn't because it cost a lot of money, that's all.

Voiced PCs take lots of money. Voicing PCs and lots of NPCs in Da2 and investing in the cinematics meant there was way, WAY less money to invest in the game itself. In fact in DAO they explicitly said as much--they opted not to get a voiced PC because it would mean cutting the game size down by about a third, if memory serves.

So my question is simple.

Do you want a game with (say) 50% more types of enemies, 50% more storyline and quests, and no recycled maps--with voicing only for companion dialogues (some) and key cut scenes or major quests, or do you want what DA2's "we had all the money in the world for this imovie style dialogue with a random NPC but no money at all for more enemy types and actual maps, and you know, 'gaming content.'"

I know what my answer to that question is.

[Serpieri Nei]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only reason why early CRPGS did not have a voiced protagonist was lack of technology back then. There is no such thing as a silent protagonist in a P n P session. Many early computers simply lacked the power to do it.
The other reason is gamers grew up playing a silent protagonist. If we had grown up playing games with a voiced protagonist this issue would not exist..
Gamers of this generation are now growing up with VO, so to them it would be strange not to have VO. Just like the graphics of early games pale in comparison to games now.
It boils down to expectations. Gamers now have different expectations.

So new Gamers should expect recycled maps, less Customization, shallow sketches, tedious gameplay, non tactical combat replaced by waves, butchered frame narrative, three short stories vs. an epic story, high rez and low rez textures thrown in, sterile environments, less content, and titles being rushed to production.
   

Yes.  

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 21 juin 2011 - 03:46 .

[Zeevico]

You have fun attacking bandits, shades and rage demons for the next 40 hours. Oh and archers. Maybe a few mabari, some spiders. Yep. Great game. Tour de force.

[GodWood]

Aradace wrote...
Guess you're going to be buying the game pre-owned lol.  I can say with %100 certainty that you WILL NOT be getting your silent protagonist back.  See the link in my sig if you want to know what I think about you folks pining and whining about not getting your silent hero back.  

Just get over it, seriously.  Either buy the game pre-owned as you said you were going to or dont play the game at all.  You have a %0 probability of getting either your Warden or a new silent protag back.  The End.  Period.  End of Story.  Move.  The.  F***.  On!!

Which is a shame really.
A silent protaganist is superior when it comes to role-playing, which strangely enough is exactly what I want to do when playing a role-playing game.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only reason why early CRPGS did not have a voiced protagonist was lack of technology back then. There is no such thing as a silent protagonist in a P n P session. Many early computers simply lacked the power to do it.
The other reason is gamers grew up playing a silent protagonist. If we had grown up playing games with a voiced protagonist this issue would not exist..
Gamers of this generation are now growing up with VO, so to them it would be strange not to have VO. Just like the graphics of early games pale in comparison to games now.
It boils down to expectations. Gamers now have different expectations.

So new Gamers should    

Yes.  

Yes.  

My point was that Realmz was saying that you can expect voiced protagonist whether you like it or not. so, forgive me for quoting the one part of your post that correctly identified his message.

Modifié par Blood-Lord Thanatos, 21 juin 2011 - 03:50 .

[Serpieri Nei]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only reason why early CRPGS did not have a voiced protagonist was lack of technology back then. There is no such thing as a silent protagonist in a P n P session. Many early computers simply lacked the power to do it.
The other reason is gamers grew up playing a silent protagonist. If we had grown up playing games with a voiced protagonist this issue would not exist..
Gamers of this generation are now growing up with VO, so to them it would be strange not to have VO. Just like the graphics of early games pale in comparison to games now.
It boils down to expectations. Gamers now have different expectations.

So new Gamers should    

Yes.  

Yes.  

My Point was that you forgive me

Um...no.

Next time don`t play quote games. 

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 21 juin 2011 - 03:59 .

[Realmzmaster]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only reason why early CRPGS did not have a voiced protagonist was lack of technology back then. There is no such thing as a silent protagonist in a P n P session. Many early computers simply lacked the power to do it.
The other reason is gamers grew up playing a silent protagonist. If we had grown up playing games with a voiced protagonist this issue would not exist..
Gamers of this generation are now growing up with VO, so to them it would be strange not to have VO. Just like the graphics of early games pale in comparison to games now.
It boils down to expectations. Gamers now have different expectations.

So new Gamers should expect VO`s, recycled maps, less Customization, shallow sketches, tedious gameplay, non tactical combat replaced by waves, butchered frame narrative, three short stories vs. an epic story, high rez and low rez textures thrown in, sterile environments, less content, and titles being rushed to production.

Yeah, Don`t think I`ll be lowering my expectations for Bioware anytime soon.  

I do believe I was talking about VO. But if gamers want what you state there will be a developer who will give it to them. Also sarcasm has very little effect on me. I been playing these games far to long and have seen all of what you mentioned in bad, good and great games.