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[Chiramu]

 The King's Speech has been out long enough for most people to watch it. 

While watching Colin Firth's performance as George VI, there are a lot of similarities between him and Alistair. Both did not want to be king; we know George VI didn't want to be king out of fear and he was a shy person, was Alistair the same way? 

Both were forced into the role of king unwillingly. Both thought the throne was not a part of their future.

A question to Bioware, did the writer for Alistair reference King George VI while developing his personality? It would have been awesome if they modelled Alistair off of a real king .

Your thoughts on the subject? 

Another thought, I think Alistair's character could have worked well with a bit of a stammer like George VI as well; we'll never know how well it could've been, but flawed characters are more interesting than perfect characters.

[Chiramu]

Ah so I'm guessing no one's seen The King's Speech or even heard of King George VI >.>.

If you haven't seen the movie GO SEE IT. It's positively fantastic, it's incredibly well written and very inspirational.
Plus, it can possibly make you think of how Alistair is when you see how King George VI was.

[Gamer Ftw]

No, Alistair didn't want to be king because he knew he was a weak person.
He couldn't even lead the Warden survivors even though he was a senior warden.
Plus he has the mentality of a immature ten year old.
[saying "la la la I'm not listening when Zev talks about sex."]
And Alistair is already a deeply flawed character.

[legbamel]

He was not a senior Warden, he was just a few months more senior than our Warden and he's never led so much as a picnic in the country except the trip through the Wilds before the battle at Ostagar and even then he bows to the PC's natural leadership skills. Unhardened Alistair just isn't a kingly kind of guy.

[Chiramu]

Looks like either of you haven't seen The King's Speech either :<.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I've seen it. And I do see the parallels between Alistair (especially unhardened) and those early scenes where George VI talks with his wife about not wanting to be king... how the country is never going to respect him because they've been taught to love his brother, and he'll be perceived as not deserving the crown.

Also, that movie makes Alistair's reluctance to formally marry a non-noble make a lot more sense.

That said, I doubt it was a direct reference. The reluctant heir is a pretty old trope, and I'm not sure that George VI was really associated with that particular "charming gentle reluctant king" personality before the movie became popular.

[Chiramu]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I've seen it. And I do see the parallels between Alistair (especially unhardened) and those early scenes where George VI talks with his wife about not wanting to be king... how the country is never going to respect him because they've been taught to love his brother, and he'll be perceived as not deserving the crown.

Also, that movie makes Alistair's reluctance to formally marry a non-noble make a lot more sense.

That said, I doubt it was a direct reference. The reluctant heir is a pretty old trope, and I'm not sure that George VI was really associated with that particular "charming gentle reluctant king" personality before the movie became popular.

Yeah there are a lot of differences too.

It is a bit weird at times with Alistair, who has had no formal training to be a king like George VI but suddenly out of the blue, Alistair gave this tremedous oration before the army moves into the city. 

But you are right in saying that people probably haven't thought of the connection before the release of the movie :<. 

It is a shame how Alistair was never modelled from a real king.

[Gamer Ftw]

I meant he has been a Warden longer than the Player character and he won't take charge.
And yes I have seen the horrible movie,I don't think Alistair is much like him.
If they were being realistic with the storyline Alistair would have made a bad king.
The first woman he sleeps with would totally control him and through him the throne.

[maxernst]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I meant he has been a Warden longer than the Player character and he won't take charge.
And yes I have seen the horrible movie,I don't think Alistair is much like him.
If they were being realistic with the storyline Alistair would have made a bad king.
The first woman he sleeps with would totally control him and through him the throne.

Right, because it's so easy to manipulate Alistair to do whatever you want, like accept Loghain as a Warden or marry you.

[Gamer Ftw]

In most cases yes he does what he's told.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

He does what your Warden tells him. That's not necessarily the same thing as unquestionably doing as he's told.

Your Warden, good or bad, is one of the few living people that Alistair trusts implicitly. Deferring to a stronger leader and preferring not to lead do not necessarily mean that one is weak-willed. If you talk to him about it, it's more that he lacks self confidence, and may have had some bad experiences before. That doesn't mean they'd make a bad leader. Some of the better leaders I've met are second-in-commands thrust into the role as primary.

[Chiramu]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I meant he has been a Warden longer than the Player character and he won't take charge.
And yes I have seen the horrible movie,I don't think Alistair is much like him.
If they were being realistic with the storyline Alistair would have made a bad king.
The first woman he sleeps with would totally control him and through him the throne.

Maybe if you grew up we could then have a proper discussion about this with you. 

[Gamer Ftw]

I will wait until you grow up first.
Alistair has no reason to trust my warden, they hate him.
How is he going to be King if any mention of sex turns him into a ten year old?
And all the female nobles will use it to manipulate him.
That's why I never make him King.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 20 juin 2011 - 09:07 .

[Birdhive]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

In most cases yes he does what he's told.

A hardened Alistair, in most cases, does not do what he has been told.  In my most recent Origins game, poor Alistair loved my Warden, but she broke up with him for Zevran early on, leaving Alistair still a virgin--this Alistair would be your worst-case scenario, right?  Well, he refused to marry Anora, and he absolutely quashed Morrigan's deal, refusing to even talk about it further.  No pushover, that guy.

I haven't seen The King's Speech yet, but it's on my list and I'm looking forward to it.

[nos_astra]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
In most cases yes he does what he's told.

That's true for every companion.

[Gamer Ftw]

Have fun, it's one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

[Maria13]

Love Alistair, goes without saying.

But have refused to see this movie. A bunch of Royal arselicking crap... And I'm British. Apparently the treatment in question only took three months. And like many British aristos at the time George VI was a Mussolini/Hitler sympathiser... So, no thanks!

[DreamerM]

Why are we writing about Alistair on the Dragon Age II board? Are we talking about his one-scene cameo?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Well, in this case we're talking about Alistair's transformation from guy who doesn't want to be king into King so... yes? Sort of? We're talking about what his one scene cameo may allow us to extrapolate about his transformation into a King?

Also, I understand the historical flaws of the movie. Rather than viewing it as a historical thing, I decided to view it as complete fiction. I think you can enjoy the movie without confusing the fictionalizations with real historical figures... in fact, that's probably the best way to view it.

[DreamerM]

There's a case to be made that anyone who DOES want to be King should be immediately disqualified from claiming any crowns. In the words of Douglas Adams, "to whom do you give power when no one who wants it can be trusted with it?"

I answer, you give it to the Hobbits. The little guys. They are the only ones who are strong enough to resist it's corruption, and perhaps even put it to good use....or at least dispose of it safely.

Modifié par DreamerM, 20 juin 2011 - 08:35 .

[maxernst]

Speaking of royal movies, I saw the Queen recently. I have no idea how accurate it is, but I was expecting a hatchet-job, and I came out feeling a lot of empathy for her. I don't know how to make it DA2 related--is there a character who is too rigid to adapt to changing times (Cullen?) or somebody whose actions are misunderstood and miscast as a villain? I suppose you could argue Meredith.