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[Chiramu]

 I personally cannot bring myself to not kill him, because there is no other punishment option for him and a rapist is the worst kind of person in the world. 

I would have liked to castrate him personally and beat him to a bloody pulp, but since it's either let him live and commit rape again or kill him. I always kill him without fail.

I was wondering, is there any way for someone to let him walk free to his father? 
If there is, how can you not have anger towards a rapist. He is almost a paedophile too, since he targets young elf girls. Seriously the worst type of person.

Just out of curiousity, even if I were playing a character who didn't want to care I don't think I could let something like that walk free. It sucks how he wants to die to escape from his guilt, that's the worst.

[Maria Caliban]

I tend to see murdering children as worse, which is something Hawke can do with the Templar ending.

My first Hawke didn't kill him. My second Hawke did. My first Hawke believed strongly in justice, compassion, and social order. My second Hawke considered the man no different than a sick dog and put him down like one.

How I feel about the matter isn't relevant to what my Hawke does as I'm not her.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 18 juin 2011 - 03:02 .

[dragonflight288]

I can't bring myself to not kill him either. In fact, I have yet to have a playthrough where I let him live.

[danteliveson]

I wish the fathers threat actually lead to something.

[Foolsfolly]

There's no reason to keep him alive. The Magistrate's threat means nothing, I can't think of a companion that agrees with keeping him alive, and the guy's a complete monster.

Well written quest. One of the best side quests in the game. But complete failure to have meaningful consequences.

[TheBlackBaron]

My second character was a Lawful Neutral rogue. Following the rule of law means she returned him to the Magistrate, even if it wouldn't necessarily lead to justice.

[Aetika]

I didn´t kill him at my second playthrough. I have problems to kill someone who hates himself and begs me to be killed. He also seemed regretful, though he can´t help himself. My Hawke wants to believe that he can be helped in some way(like asylum).

[Mickespel]

As Aveline puts it "Some people are simply broken". I kill him, but it is a mercy killing, he wants to die, and even seek out a dangerous place willingly so the monsters there can kill him. Keller do know how to tell right from wrong, he just cannot stop himself from doing what he do. The real monster is his father that sees the whole affair as a scandal that needs to be covered up.

A perfect ending in my view would been to place Keller in a proper asylum for the insane, (as Bartrand are if spared). Magistrate Vanard should personally have to answer for his sons crimes from the point where he started to cover them up. This is exactly the lack of choice many quests gives, missed opportunity.

[JoHnDoE14]

 My Hawke (not the joke one!), who is actually based on me, didn't kill him. As a matter of fact, I kill only in self-defense (and counter attack is also self defense). Additionaly, I strongly believe in justice and law, and killing Kelder means that I took the law in my hands. After all, it is only cruel to murder a man who needs help.
 That said, my second Hawke, a Chaotic Neutral rogue, did kill him.

Modifié par JoHnDoE14, 18 juin 2011 - 08:02 .

[Mickespel]

JoHnDoE14 wrote...

 My Hawke (not the joke one!), who is actually based on me, didn't kill him. As a matter of fact, I kill only in self-defense (and counter attack is also self defense). Additionaly, I strongly believe in justice and law, and killing Kelder means that I took the law in my hands. After all, it is only cruel to murder a man who needs help.
 That said, my second Hawke, a Chaotic Neutral rogue, did kill him.

The problem here is that Keller is above the law due to interference from his father. Do not kill him and more innocent will suffer and die due to this, cold you live with that? In an ideal world Keller would be locked up better and recive treatment in an asylum and his father would be imprisoned for his behaviour but Kirkwall is not an ideal world.

[Firky]

I didn't kill him. But, I couldn't stomach the option where you take money for silence, so I said I'd expose him. In the 2nd act, I got a letter from Lia's dad saying that he thought I'd done the right thing but that she remained "scared of men." Something like that, anyway.

I wasn't over fond of this quest. But, I did like the way, if you had Anders, he could tell you that there was no demon inside the guy; he was making excuses. (From memory. Or am I getting that mixed up with another quest.)

[Mickespel]

Firky wrote...

I didn't kill him. But, I couldn't stomach the option where you take money for silence, so I said I'd expose him. In the 2nd act, I got a letter from Lia's dad saying that he thought I'd done the right thing but that she remained "scared of men." Something like that, anyway.

I wasn't over fond of this quest. But, I did like the way, if you had Anders, he could tell you that there was no demon inside the guy; he was making excuses. (From memory. Or am I getting that mixed up with another quest.)

Demons in the world where Thedas exist are very real things and none of them had possesed him. Still the demons that told him to do things could be very real to Keller, even if they just existed due to a missfuction of his brain. In real life, criminals are often psyciatrically evaluated so the court will know if they are insane or not. Rarely are they considered insane enough to get of the hook but it does happen. When it do, tratment in an asylum are what awaits them.

A side possibility, due to Kirkwalls thin veil, maybe demons can "whisper" to people without actually possesing them. It would not make a otherwhise normal person behave like Keller but it could perhaps allow for a bad situation to go from bad to worse. Lot's of insanity going on in Kirkwall, lots of huge suicide gangs attacking Hawke & Co despite those being known to be badass fighters.

[Firky]

I dunno. I just took it that he was a child abuser (like without the presence of a demon, in DA lore terms) - otherwise you could explain a large percentage of the game's content as "a demon made me do it." Also, I did think that something Anders said "Can you look a demon in the eye and say 'No?'" was a theme that kept coming back. Man's power over demons, real or imagined. Something like that.

But, Lia did appear to believe the demon story, because she defended his behaviour. (I found that really sad.)

Modifié par Firky, 18 juin 2011 - 09:00 .

[Mickespel]

Filament wrote...

I tried not to kill him for the sake of rivalry, it felt way too slimy though. Reloaded, killed him.

The problem is knowing he won't get real justice given the situation if you let the magistrate have him back. Even your threat to the magistrate with Aveline just feels hollow. So I mean, yeah.

There should be a scean similar to when Avaline get Captain Jeven dragged out of his office when proven to be on the take of crimianls and willing to sell out his own guards no less. That was satisfying to see.

[Scottish TaZeR]

I tried to make a playthrought without killing him.... I couldn't do it...

I had to Hurt him xD

[Herr Uhl]

I didn't, for a few reasons. To begin with, he didn't seem to have all the lights working at home. Secondly, I was there to bring him in, not as an arbiter. And thirdly, it was the most obvious and surefire way to expose and get rid of that magistrate for long-time betterment.

The son was on a way to the noose anyways, as soon as the father was out of the way.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I killed him the first two games.

Hawke #1 was a benevolent sort who believed in 'good' over 'right', and decided between what Anders and the mage said that the mage should die as he wished. She felt Lia's compassion spoke well of her, but was misplaced.

Hawke #2 was a mage who tended to get angry at other mages who abused their powers or made up excuses for their weaknesses. She had no problem killing the guy.

Hawke #3 wanted his money, doesn't care for elves, and kept his promise to return the magistrate's son home.

[Herr Uhl]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Hawke #2 was a mage who tended to get angry at other mages who abused their powers or made up excuses for their weaknesses. She had no problem killing the guy.

...what does this quest have to do with mages?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The magistrate's son was a mage.

[Herr Uhl]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The magistrate's son was a mage.

How was he abusing mage powers?

And I thought that was he claiming to be one, like how he claimed to be possessed.

Edit: Been a while since I played it, so I might be misremembering.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 18 juin 2011 - 12:03 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The magistrate's son was a mage.

How was he abusing mage powers?

And I thought that was he claiming to be one, like how he claimed to be possessed.

Edit: Been a while since I played it, so I might be misremembering.

I mean more that, for Hawke #2, the magistrate's son claiming 'demons made him' do all the terrible things he did could easily give other mage's a bad name, whether his claims were true or false, and add to the tension against mages. He may or may not have been abusing any powers he had, but by claiming 'demon possession' and abusing children he wasn't doing magekind any favours.

[Dragonella1]

 
I haven't killed him for different reasons:
My good and lawful Hawke:
It's taking law in my hands
The guy is obviously insane so can't be hold responsible for his actions. He should be lock up in padded cell for others as well as his own safety - not executed
My “let's consider all possibilities” HawkeDo I have convincing evidence against this guy? One thing I know for sure is that he has abducted a girl.

• Her father words - if there are murders in area and his daughter was abducted it is quite natural that he panics that she was taken by serial killer but it doesn’t imply his right.
• Girl herself – alive, scared but seemingly healthy and she speaks kindly about attacker. As to possibility of rape, a cave full of man eating monsters is not right environment for tactful investigation so better drop it.
• And in the end chaotic confession of obviously insane guy.

Hardly a capital punishment evidence.
My selfish, amoral Hawke
It's no brinier that the Magistrate has more money than elf. And as he is willing to protect his son secret he can be long time source of money and influence. So why to kill a milky cow?

[ddv.rsa]

Hawke is hired by a powerful magistrate to bring him in. It's smarter to follow orders than to make an enemy of the magistrate.