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[nightscrawl]

Herr Uhl wrote...

I didn't, for a few reasons. To begin with, he didn't seem to have all the lights working at home. Secondly, I was there to bring him in, not as an arbiter. And thirdly, it was the most obvious and surefire way to expose and get rid of that magistrate for long-time betterment.

The son was on a way to the noose anyways, as soon as the father was out of the way.

If there were some actual consequences as a result of this quest, political or otherwise, I think some people might be more inclined to react differently. However, it's just one of those 'earn a few G and some exp' quests and it doesn't mean anything, except to underscore how badly elves are treated in Kirkwall (and indeed all of Thedas).

I do applaud those who look at it from a more roleplay standpoint though.

I put him down like the sick dog that he is. Every time. IMO it's liberating to be able to do this stuff in a game, where I can't/shouldn't in real life.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 18 juin 2011 - 12:19 .

[Dragonella1]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The magistrate's son was a mage.

 
I don't think he was a mage. He was checked by the Circle on demon possession and send away. The templars in Kirkwall might be incompetent but it's hard to believe they let insane mage out when they have hold on him.
Something like:
The Knight Commander to the Magistrate: I have good and bad news, your son is not possessed yet he probably would be soon. So send him to us again when this happens, you can't miss it, he would change into monster and quite possibly would tear a few people into pieces.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

My assumptions he was actually a mage are based on his robe and mage cowl, FWIW. Since every single mage in the game seemed restricted to robes and cowls, I judged his dress sense and nothing more. Not the first time either...

Me: *upon meeting Merrill* .oO(I already know she's a mage, but the staff on her back gives it away.)
Merrill: *casts spells at first battle*
Hawke: *unprompted dialogue* OMFG you're a mage!
Me: *facepalm*

Anyway, DA2 keeps trying to tell us that if Hawke gets good enough standing in Kirkwall it'll be protection against the Templars. Why, I have NFI. Possibly it's just a case of money, in which case the magistrate clearly has enough to throw around. Maybe his son was checked by a templar in the magistrate's pocket, I don't know.

You could be right and he may not be a mage, but I got the impression he was.

[Hegix]

I didn't kill him because of the magistrate's promise that he would be a powerful friend later on. At the time I still believed that those kind of things had some meaning in the game...

[ejoslin]

I let him live once. It ticked me off because it made absolutely no difference other than a minor dialog change -- his father was still nasty. There should have been repercussions for killing him and some sort of acknowledgement for letting him live. Even the follow up letter from the girl's father was still grateful :/

[wildannie]

I've never been able to bring myself to let him live. He's a serial child murderer and paedophile. None of my Hawkes are willing to trust that his father will prevent him doing so again.

I usually let Fenris kill him.

[Costin_Razvan]

What the hell? How in the hell is he a rapist anyway?

Yes he definitively murdered quite a lot of elves...but rape? Based on ****ing what?

Either way, the choice doesn't matter jack to me. Kill him, spare him...whatever, no consequences for it either way.

[Huntress]

He dies in all my games, he is not a mage, he is just a sick man who target elves because not one gives a Rat about it in thedas. Yes demons make him do it right, all the blood mages died been possesed by a demon or try to work with them.
He is sick and if you leave it to the magister, he will kill again. Sad but true, he can't be sent to the mages prision because he is not helping mages as origen priest did in mage-warden and because he is not a mage himself.

[Lucian820]

Dies everytime. You can't let him live because he won't get any kind of punishment or even help, his father will continue to just cover it up and he will continue to just do it.

Reading through this thread and some of the people's rationales for not killing him makes me concerned about out justice system.

"I turned him in because once his father dies he will finally get justice"
"There's not enough evidence he did anything wrong at all"

I was kinda iffy on him being a mage, but I assumed all the robed cowled people around kirkwall were underground mages, let's face it the templars are the brightest pack, I'm launching spell after spell and the docks templar right there is asking if anyone has seen any mages. Casting spells with Cullen in the fray and he never says a word (although Cullen always was kind of dense in DAO, luckily he got beat up the side of the head with a clue stick by Act 3). I mean they ouldn't fiure out that Meredith was off the deepend until the end of the game, can we really expect them to find a mage?

[Huntress]

Think! if he was a mage and possesed by demons the moment you tried to kill him the demon take possesion of the body trying to stop you, see Cullen hitting the templar scene, see anders shooting to another templar to see if it has a "demon" and what he said about it.
Many times a mage that have a demon inside transform into one before it get killed. He doesn't.

[Lucian820]

I dont think anyone thinks he has a demon inside of him, save for himself of course

[Annarl]

He only lives once in my playthroughs. I wanted to see what happen if he lived (it was a later game) and it didn't seem to make a difference. With his father's interference in the justice system (if Kirkwall really had any) it seems the better to kill him.

[The Baconer]

He doesn't wear a robe. Only a hood.

On Topic: He hasn't survived any of my playthoughs yet. I can't stomach letting him go free.

[maxernst]

I thought he was a mage too, because that was the only explanation I could think of for all the shades that pop up. They don't attack him, only my party.

I didn't kill him. If it had happened in Act 2, I would have, but in Act 1, I'm just a lowlife from Ferelden and I felt I needed to follow the orders of the powers that be. I hoped that the magistrate would have the sense to confine him upon his return. Maybe he did, because there's no mention of further elf children murders, but I honestly expected to have to kill him later in the game.

[Get Magna Carter]

I spared him at the girl's request.
Irritated that the game did not give me an option to tell the magistrate what would happen to him if his son did it again...

[Aurelet]

I liked letting Fenris kill him.

[nightscrawl]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

What the hell? How in the hell is he a rapist anyway?

Yeah - I noticed that too.  Just decided to let that distinction go though as the OP was obviously overly emotional and ready to throw every evil label he could on this make believe character.

I wrote a long post about capital punishment as opposed to problem solving by removing the problem.  But then I deleted it because it's a video game discussion board.  Anyway the OP obviously wanted to emote disgust and wanted to violate this character before executing him.  So he stuck rapist in the description.

I don't know... while it's never stated directly in the game, I think it's kind of implied. However, I admit that I was surprised to see the title of the OP's thread.

Here is how it is implied (I can't believe I am writing all of this...):

* Hawke asks Lia if she is alright and says "I don't see any injuries," after which the girl looks downcast.

* After stating that Kelder "hit me and told me I was nothing," when asked why he let her go, she stated that he started crying and "pushed me away."

* When you confront Kelder and ask why he let her go, he goes on to say that Lia was concerned for him "after all those things I did to her."


With points so vague as that, I think they really left it up to the audience to imply or not. However, I don't think the OP was being overly dramatic just to label the man as a justification for killing him every time in the game.

[LobselVith8]

Chiramu wrote...

I personally cannot bring myself to not kill him, because there is no other punishment option for him and a rapist is the worst kind of person in the world. 

I would have liked to castrate him personally and beat him to a bloody pulp, but since it's either let him live and commit rape again or kill him. I always kill him without fail.

Kelder murdered elven children for being "too beautiful." Kelder needed to die a thousand deaths, and no "favors" from the Magistrate were worth the lives of children.

Chiramu wrote...

I was wondering, is there any way for someone to let him walk free to his father? 
If there is, how can you not have anger towards a rapist. He is almost a paedophile too, since he targets young elf girls. Seriously the worst type of person.

The Magistrate doesn't cause Kelder to commit his crimes since he's broken mentally, and letting him live is going to provide danger to all the children in the Alienage, since humans apparently don't give a frak about their children getting slaughtered by this serial killer. I'm surprised the Alienage doesn't react to Hawke, considering that he took down a man who many had likely assumed would never face justice for killing their children.

Chiramu wrote...

Just out of curiousity, even if I were playing a character who didn't want to care I don't think I could let something like that walk free. It sucks how he wants to die to escape from his guilt, that's the worst.

It would suck worse to let him live to continue murdering elven children, which is precisely what happens if Kelder isn't killed.

[LobselVith8]

Herr Uhl wrote...

I didn't, for a few reasons. To begin with, he didn't seem to have all the lights working at home. Secondly, I was there to bring him in, not as an arbiter. And thirdly, it was the most obvious and surefire way to expose and get rid of that magistrate for long-time betterment.

The son was on a way to the noose anyways, as soon as the father was out of the way.

Kelder is let loose again because of his influential father, Magistrate Vanard, (which is why Elfren asks Hawke to kill him, since the Magistrate never punishes Kelder for the previous murders of elven children, assuming it's because the victims are elves since no one realizes Kelder is the son of the Magistrate). Kelder ends up killing elven children as a result of Hawke sparing his life.

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The magistrate's son was a mage.

You really think Kelder was a mage who was possessed by demons, who happened to not possess him despite his inclination to give into the "voices" in his head? If he was a mage, he would be an abomination, not a physically normal human. No one in Hawke's group "buys" his claim that he's a mage, and everyone from Aveline to Isabela calls Kelder out on this fiction.

[Giggles_Manically]

What would have been cool in act 2:

If you killed him you constant get pointed at by elves calling you a hero, while getting a special item for your class from the elder. However the magistrate sends a hit squad after you and instead gets tossed into jail for it.

If you let him live you are given the same item, and some money from the magistrate. While a group of elves jump you in Lowtown for letting Kelder free.

[vanom66]

I feel that true justice at the circumstances would be to kill him . Since after all Daddy covers for him he wanted it and my Hawke wanted it too. though I can see alternatives such as putting him into a remote asylum . Also was he a mage ..? I cannot remember if so tranquility is the best solution ..

[Plaintiff]

I spared him on my first playthrough, it was actually a pretty easy decision for me. Kelder's actions are despicable, no doubt. But he's insane. He genuinely believes demons are telling him to do what he does. He sees and hears them as if they were real. He's not evil, he's mentally ill, and I can't condemn him for that.

That said, there is no treatment for his condition in Thedas and there might never be. He hates himself for his actions and genuinely wants to die. So when I do kill him, I consider it a mercy, rather than "righteous punishment"

In subsequent playthroughs, my decision to kill or spare him is based on who I'm bringing with me and whether I'm trying to boost friendship or rivalry with them.