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[Morroian]

sympathy4saren wrote...

GodWood wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...
And sorry Dragon Age, Mass Effect's writing is above and beyond DA writing.

lol

You can laugh, but there is really no disputing it.

I guess its a matter of opinion, but the vast majority acknowledges the reality Mass Effect has better writing. Because it is a reality.

The vast majority based on what? Have you counted up the posts? IMHO the writing for the DA series is head and shoulders above the ME series. 

[SaY4cT]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Bethesda hasn't confirmed NPC relationships (friendship/romance) so it's just a rumor at this point.

Even though it wasn't developed by Bethesda, NV already did it in Dead Money... or at least I think it did 


fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Christine_Royce

[vometia]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

vometia wrote...

But the mudcrab conversation was my favourite ever!  My only regret is that I couldn't take part.

Not to worry! You'll be able to romance the mudcrab in Skyrim.

[Druss99]

vometia wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

vometia wrote...

But the mudcrab conversation was my favourite ever!  My only regret is that I couldn't take part.

Not to worry! You'll be able to romance the mudcrab in Skyrim.

What the...I....um.....

I suspect this is how the whole Tali thing started out too.

[vometia]

Druss99 wrote...

What the...I....um.....

I suspect this is how the whole Tali thing started out too.

Happily it's just Nigel the guardmudcrab being given an appreciative stroke rather than any unsavoury business.  Though I rather shudder at the thought at some of the more "close" relationships that may be dreamt up elsewhere should the opportunity arise...

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Druss99 wrote...

vometia wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

vometia wrote...

But the mudcrab conversation was my favourite ever!  My only regret is that I couldn't take part.

Not to worry! You'll be able to romance the mudcrab in Skyrim.

What the...I....um.....

I suspect this is how the whole Tali thing started out too.

Squeamish, Druss? What would Conan do in this situation?

[2papercuts]

Archaven wrote...

@Virumor
I would say Prince of Persia 2008 with Elika. That game was awesome. The prince was really humorous as well.

too bad it probably won't be continued

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

2papercuts wrote...

Archaven wrote...

@Virumor
I would say Prince of Persia 2008 with Elika. That game was awesome. The prince was really humorous as well.

too bad it probably won't be continued

not after the mediocre movie cash-in.

[2papercuts]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

Archaven wrote...

@Virumor
I would say Prince of Persia 2008 with Elika. That game was awesome. The prince was really humorous as well.

too bad it probably won't be continued

not after the mediocre movie cash-in.

that movie was AWESOME though

i think it won a bunch of awards right?

[MegaBadExample]

BioWare has the crown for Love interests. Still Skyrim is good enough without Love interests. I won't complain if they include them though.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I have a nasty feeling that these are the culprits for the return of the Dragons:

Ka Po' Tun is the "Tiger-Dragon's Empire". The cat-folk here are ruled by the divine Tosh Raka, the Tiger-Dragon. They are now a very great empire, stronger than Tsaesci (though not at sea). After the Serpent-Folk ate all the Men, they tried to eat all the Dragons. They managed to enslave the Red Dragons, but the black ones had fled to (then) Po Tun. A great war was raged, which left both the cats and the snakes weak, and the Dragons all dead. Since that time the cat-folk have tried to become the Dragons. Tosh Raka is the first to succeed. He is the largest Dragon in the world, orange and black, and he has very many new ideas.

"First," Tosh Raka says, "is that we kill all the vampire snakes." Then the Tiger-Dragon Emperor wants to invade Tamriel.



(Quoted source: Mysterious Akavir by Anonymous)

[Addai]

The image that comes to mind is that woman in Oblivion who lets slip that she's into necrophilia. lol

[sympathy4saren]

Alright, guys and gals. I have people who are claiming Dragon Age has much better writing than Mass Effect. I know its an opinion, but let's shed so light on Mass Effect writing compared to Dragon Age

[KenKenpachi]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Squeamish, Druss? What would Conan do in this situation?

Simple, burn the village, rape the woman, kill a few guards, then the guard crab who would then be roasted over a fire and eaten.

sympathy4saren wrote...

Alright, guys and gals. I have people who are claiming Dragon Age has much better writing than Mass Effect. I know its an opinion, but let's shed so light on Mass Effect writing compared to Dragon Age

Just make a poll. But I'ld side with ME. DA wasn't that well written imo, and in parts was just plain silly. Oh hey even though we are running for our lives lets stop and talk about shoes! Its not a bad game or baddly written but I'll say Mass Effect was the better. However I do like scifi more than fantasy, and I'm sure a person who backed fantasy more and hated scifi would back Dragon age.

Kinda the funny thing about this forum. Huge fans of either normally can't be found in the same palce minus here.

[Sigma Tauri]

KenKenpachi wrote...
DA wasn't that well written imo, and in parts was just plain silly. Oh hey even though we are running for our lives lets stop and talk about shoes!

Oh hey even though Saren and the geth are threatening the galaxy let's stop and get into someone's business about what to do with their newborn!

[KenKenpachi]

monkeycamoran wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...
DA wasn't that well written imo, and in parts was just plain silly. Oh hey even though we are running for our lives lets stop and talk about shoes!

Oh hey even though Saren and the geth are threatening the galaxy let's stop and get into someone's business about what to do with their newborn!

If I'm not correct, Shepard goes up to them and says "Is there a problem" and then they ask him for advise. As funny as it sounds some people will do this to strangers more so if it concerns matters of retail etc. Shepard being obviously in the military may draw the conclussion that he would know about said implants AND you always have the option to walk off.

So nice try, I gave the above as a smart ass example, but the writing of DA has far more bad examples than this.

[Sigma Tauri]

KenKenpachi wrote...
If I'm not correct, Shepard goes up to them and says "Is there a problem" and then they ask him for advise. As funny as it sounds some people will do this to strangers more so if it concerns matters of retail etc. Shepard being obviously in the military may draw the conclussion that he would know about said implants AND you always have the option to walk off.

So nice try, I gave the above as a smart ass example, but the writing of DA has far more bad examples than this.

You can rationalize it all you want. The talk is incompatible with the feeling of the overarching threat that supposedly looms in the game. Both are essentially just dialogue, but they don't address the most important issue at hand. They're side dialogue that any player can pursue if they want, just like Leliana's shoes. You got that in Baldur's Gate 2. You got that KoTOR when you have find to Mission's brother. None are critical.

So, don't get so caught up about examples of "bad" writing. Your example was silly, and I think you don't like Leliana talking to you about shoes because she's being a girl.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 19 juin 2011 - 01:26 .

[csfteeeer]

oh my god seriously?

[csfteeeer]

Montezuma IV wrote...
Bethesda has fantastic writing..

Seriously man?
i mean, yeah Morrowind is possibly is the most incredible story ever, but Writting?

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I thought that Dead Money (depends on how you take it) would've had a fantastic romance with Christine. She seemed to be the only other person that did not belong in the Sierra Madre, and her expressed emotions towards the character showed, to me, some sort of romance. Towards the end, I kind of took it like the Courier (<--greatest character name ever) abandoned Christine and she never recovered. I think that Obsidian writes the best romances kind of like Alpha Protocol's they are really fluid and life like.

Back on topic, I can only imagine Bethesda really screwing up the romances. I also wonder how anyone could praise Bethesda's crappy writing on a BioWare board. I mean Dragon Age: Origins has 100xs better writing than Oblivion or Morrowind. I'm still on Baldur's Gate, but from what I've seen so far, the writing is far superior. If Bethesda gives the romance options more life than a block of wood, then maybe we will have a little hoorah. I just won't hold my breath to that.

[HoonDing]

A romance with Christine would only make sense for a female character with Cherchez La Femme perk. And even with that perk, she makes it clear that she won't leave the Sierra Madre when everything's done.

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I also wonder how anyone could praise Bethesda's crappy writing on a BioWare board. I mean Dragon Age: Origins has 100xs better writing than Oblivion or Morrowind. I'm still on Baldur's Gate, but from what I've seen so far, the writing is far superior.

Maybe because BioWare writing is nothing to write home about either? Lore books in Morrowind are 100xs better written than any Codex entry in a BioWare game. For the rest, hard to compare Morrowind's wiki-style dialogue with Dragon Age, but at least it's much better than anything in Baldur's Gate.

I can't even remember one memorable NPC in Baldur's Gate, aside from Tamoko.

Modifié par virumor, 19 juin 2011 - 03:40 .

[naughty99]

csfteeeer wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...
Bethesda has fantastic writing..

Seriously man?
i mean, yeah Morrowind is possibly is the most incredible story ever, but Writting?

Your post is a complete enigma to me.

In the same breath you are admitting that Morrowind is the most incredible story ever, but somehow it is poorly written?

That makes absolutely zero sense to me.

How can a poorly written story be a good story?

[SOLID_EVEREST]

virumor wrote...

A romance with Christine would only make sense for a female character with Cherchez La Femme perk. And even with that perk, she makes it clear that she won't leave the Sierra Madre when everything's done.

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I also wonder how anyone could praise Bethesda's crappy writing on a BioWare board. I mean Dragon Age: Origins has 100xs better writing than Oblivion or Morrowind. I'm still on Baldur's Gate, but from what I've seen so far, the writing is far superior.

Maybe because BioWare writing is nothing to write home about either? Lore books in Morrowind are 100xs better written than any Codex entry in a BioWare game. For the rest, hard to compare Morrowind's wiki-style dialogue with Dragon Age, but at least it's much better than anything in Baldur's Gate.

I can't even remember one memorable NPC in Baldur's Gate, aside from Tamoko.

Well, I always play a male in RPGs, so my Courier never had that capability. From my male's perspective, though, I was getting the go ahead. As I said, though, it is entirely based off of my personal mindset and my male Courier's lack of knowledge (I mean I had all the details from the Wiki).

Well, I don't play a game to just sit and read books, so I don't judge writing entirely on lore. Lore and actual game writing are not even in the same boat. A game could have terrible codex entries, but a well written story like Dragon Age. I mean I wouldn't consider the story Planescape or Fallout good, but it was 100xs better than anything I've seen from Bethesda. As you even stated, Bethesda's dialogue is like a Wiki entry there is no substance or realism just a poorly written responses, and don't get me started with the idiotic dialogue in Fallout: 3. Anyways, I'm just not getting my hopes up with romance in a Bethesda game.

Someone gave the perfect example from Fallout: 3, though, the smart response to Three Dog's "I fight the good fight with music" was "so you use music to fight the good fight" was pretty hilarious.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Squeamish, Druss? What would Conan do in this situation?

Simple, burn the village, rape the woman, kill a few guards, then the guard crab who would then be roasted over a fire and eaten.

Wrong! Conan? What is best in life?

To crush your mudcrabs, see the butter drawn before you and to hear the lamentations of their women!

Modifié par Ryllen Laerth Kriel, 20 juin 2011 - 09:39 .