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[River5]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

River5 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...


Lol what a naive view of the world. sometimes innocent people must die for the greater good sometime you must wage war. otherwise you will create far more horrible situations. What Anders did was the right thing to do.

I think Anders tried to minimize the amount of people killed by his bomb.


For one thing, the bombing happened at night when the Chantry is closed. Also, one of the theories about the bomb that I agree with was that when it sucked everything up into the sky and fired it straight in all directions, it fired it out to the outskirts of Kirkwall. Away from the citizens.

His main target was Elthina, and because of that he tried to minimize the death toll as much as possible. Obviously he still feels guilty about it though.

Elthina and/or any subordinate that could have temporarily assumed the role of Grand Cleric, preventing Meredith from invoking the RoA on the Circle.

true. But all those Chantry sisters live in the Chantry so he got them all.

Yup!  I was just adding to what you wrote because I often see people arguing that he only needed to go after Elthina, so blowing up the Chantry didn't make sense.

[Huntress]

DPSSOC wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...
Lol what a naive view of the world. sometimes innocent people must die for the greater good sometime you must wage war. otherwise you will create far more horrible situations. What Anders did was the right thing to do. 

Anders killed innocent people to provoke a confirmed lunatic into killing more innocent people all for the sake of having his war (which will kill more innocent people).  By what stretch of the imagination is that "the right thing to do."

Is not just Anders war, is Mages war, and is all about freedom vs imprisonment, is about them making their own choices to waiting to become tranquils, is about their life to not having a life.

And about the building full or empty with  a high priest and bunch of idiots waiting for the maker's to enlight them, and praying to reach eternity, well they were send straight to Him, someone had to die to make the point that waiting was NOT longer acceptable for Mages.

[TEWR]

Yup! I was just adding to what you wrote because I often see people arguing that he only needed to go after Elthina, so blowing up the Chantry didn't make sense.

Yup I agree, but Elthina was his primary target nevertheless since she was the Chantry priest with the most power, but Anders was smart enough to account for the rest of the sisters.

[DPSSOC]

Huntress wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...
Lol what a naive view of the world. sometimes innocent people must die for the greater good sometime you must wage war. otherwise you will create far more horrible situations. What Anders did was the right thing to do. 

Anders killed innocent people to provoke a confirmed lunatic into killing more innocent people all for the sake of having his war (which will kill more innocent people).  By what stretch of the imagination is that "the right thing to do."

Is not just Anders war, is Mages war, and is all about freedom vs imprisonment, is about them making their own choices to waiting to become tranquils, is about their life to not having a life.

No, those who wanted to fight did, any who found the situation sufficiently objectable objected, and Anders forced the fight on those who didn't.  Now admittedly I don't agree with Anders, having seen what the majority of Marcher Mages do with their freedom I say they don't deserve it, so that does colour my views on his actions.  However can you honestly say that this isn't his fight, his personal crusade, that he's forcing on everyone else.

Huntress wrote...
And about the building full or empty with  a high priest and bunch of idiots waiting for the maker's to enlight them, and praying to reach eternity, well they were send straight to Him, someone had to die to make the point that waiting was NOT longer acceptable for Mages.

And I'd have had no problem with sending that kind of message (though I disagree in part with the message itself) if he'd chosen an appropriate target.  He could have targeted the Templar barracks at the Gallows, lyrium shipments, etc. until he forced the Templar action and Mage reaction.  Instead he decided to murder innocent people; I'm sorry but there's always a better way to pick a fight.

[element eater]

DKJaigen wrote...


Lol what a naive view of the world. sometimes innocent people must die for the greater good sometime you must wage war. otherwise you will create far more horrible situations. What Anders did was the right thing to do.

OK  thats bs 
you say this but who is in a position to say what is or isnt acceptable who has the right to make that choice. Anders murders a lot of people for his peoples  freedom, do not the victims of his crime deserve the freedom to live there lives? is it simply accepttable for them and there families to suffer simply so that his people may gain?

most terrorist justify there crimes as for the good of there people,nation,religion etc and many of there people will agree with them does that make the acts justified? should u simply say well those people were horribly killed but it doesnt matter as x group only did it to benefit there people.

Huntress wrote...
 thats what my mages are fighting for, to have a place in THEDAS, not to be seen as a monsters because  they're not.

and that leads to the great flaw in Anders plan attacking the organisation which has pretty much univeral support is not going to gain sympathy for his people or make people see them as anything more then the monsters they already perceive them as, if any thing it would lead to a backlash and level even more descrimination towards mages(as has been seen in real life equivilents). Heck even his own people believe in the chantry so how does he expect himself to be embraced as there leader martyr etc

Modifié par element eater, 28 juin 2011 - 02:28 .