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[Paul Sedgmore]

Jenaimarre wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

sam726 wrote...

 If Cerberus is supposed to be a terrorist organisation, you'd think that their operatives would not be advertising their affiliation with Cerberus with the numerous logo's on their uniform:huh:

Cerberus doesn't have a logo.

Cord Hislop Aerospace does.

They don't seem to disassociate the logo from Ceberus as characters like Jack see the logo and know its Cerberus in the games.

Jack has history with Cerberus. She -would- know what the logo looks like.

But if the logo on the Normandy is the Cord Hislop Aerospace there is no reason why the Cerberus cell the was testing on Jack would be using it

[Fixers0]

For some reason i don't think these guys work for an earo space company.

[Jenaimarre]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

Jenaimarre wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

sam726 wrote...

 If Cerberus is supposed to be a terrorist organisation, you'd think that their operatives would not be advertising their affiliation with Cerberus with the numerous logo's on their uniform:huh:

Cerberus doesn't have a logo.

Cord Hislop Aerospace does.

They don't seem to disassociate the logo from Ceberus as characters like Jack see the logo and know its Cerberus in the games.

Jack has history with Cerberus. She -would- know what the logo looks like.

But if the logo on the Normandy is the Cord Hislop Aerospace there is no reason why the Cerberus cell the was testing on Jack would be using it

It's a front. Cord-Hislop is like this barrier that blocks and filters out suspicion. To everyone else, that facility was probably a research base for Cord-Hislop - only those inside know better.

[JukeFrog]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

But if the logo on the Normandy is the Cord Hislop Aerospace there is no reason why the Cerberus cell the was testing on Jack would be using it

Maybe Jack's cell didn't use it. It's not too much of a stretch to assume that Jack did some research on Cerberus and found out about Cord-Hislop.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cerberus fail at everything they touch.

I can't wait to see how they'll kill themselves and a large part of the galaxy if you gave them the Collector Base.

My money's on them trying to engineer the seeker swarms to become lethal on their own, followed by the swarms escaping and turning on their masters, after which they'll naturally find some way to escape into the galaxy.

The sort of incompetence you'd expect from your regional villainous Pokemon team. Ya know, the usual.

[BigBad]

Akuze.
Depot Sigma-23.
Kahoku and his marines.
Colony on Chasca.
Release of dust-form eezo over colony Yandoa.
Facility on Pragia.
Project Overlord.

One thing all of these Cerberus projects have in common? They utilize sloppy, unnecessarily brutal methods to accomplish goals that inevitably backfire due to complete lack of ethics or foresight. They are terrorists. And, like most terrorists, the vast majority of their crimes are perpetrated without regret or concern on the very populace they claim to be protecting (humans).

[Schneidend]

Art3mShepard wrote...

It's a game. In real life none would use white armor too.

Color-based camouflage is kind of pointless when somebody can know you're there simply by pointing their gun at you. Smart targeting is an pretty cool guy, eh accelerates shards of metal to supersonic speeds and doesn't afraid of anything.

Phaedon wrote...

Cerberus doesn't have a logo.

Cord Hislop Aerospace does.

Exactly. /thread

[Paul Sedgmore]

JukeFrog wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

But if the logo on the Normandy is the Cord Hislop Aerospace there is no reason why the Cerberus cell the was testing on Jack would be using it

Maybe Jack's cell didn't use it. It's not too much of a stretch to assume that Jack did some research on Cerberus and found out about Cord-Hislop.

You can clearly see the logo on some of the walls in Jacks Loyalty mission

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

For some reason i don't think these guys work for an earo space company.

Well they're now working for Reapers so using that company as a front is no longer necessary to hide.

Also it's on Earth.

[Paul Sedgmore]

Jenaimarre wrote...

It's a front. Cord-Hislop is like this barrier that blocks and filters out suspicion. To everyone else, that facility was probably a research base for Cord-Hislop - only those inside know better.

Thats possible but the point still stands that everyone knows that logo as Cerberus, I was just using Jack as an example. Another example would be the Quarians on Freedoms Progress as they identify you as Cerberus and the only Identifying marks on you is the logo for Cord-Hislop.

[onelifecrisis]

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ever since "terrorist" became a one-size-fits-all word for "bad people" IRL.

This bugs me as well. The word "terrorist" is thrown around a lot, but they never name even one example of Cerberus terrorism.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 18 juin 2011 - 04:46 .

[raist747]

Because they are big enough to stand on their own? Most terrorists those days are too small to stand up to military units.

[Paul Sedgmore]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ever since "terrorist" became a one-size-fits-all word for "bad people" IRL.

This bugs me as well. The word "terrorist" is thrown around a lot, but they never name even one example of Cerberus terrorism.

Does Space ****s fit them any better for you?

[onelifecrisis]

javierabegazo wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Did you play Mass Effect at all....?  :happy: *mildly sarcastic*

How do you figure Cerberus' actions in ME1 qualify as terrorism?

Cerberus are evil, no doubt, but that doesn't make them terrorists.

[onelifecrisis]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ever since "terrorist" became a one-size-fits-all word for "bad people" IRL.

This bugs me as well. The word "terrorist" is thrown around a lot, but they never name even one example of Cerberus terrorism.

Does Space ****s fit them any better for you?

Gotta love BSN for my daily dose of unwarranted hostility. 

[Paul Sedgmore]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ever since "terrorist" became a one-size-fits-all word for "bad people" IRL.

This bugs me as well. The word "terrorist" is thrown around a lot, but they never name even one example of Cerberus terrorism.

Does Space ****s fit them any better for you?

Gotta love BSN for my daily dose of unwarranted hostility. 

Not trying to be hostile, its a perfectly valid comparison for Cerberus

Modifié par Paul Sedgmore, 18 juin 2011 - 04:58 .

[BigBad]

The 'terrorist or not' discussion is never going to get resolved, most likely, since there are a couple hundred different definitions of terrorism used worldwide, and there's not really any definite, legal definition with limits and degrees. So, we're falling into a 'define your terms' area before the debate really means anything.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

For some reason i don't think these guys work for an earo space company.

(Snip)

Well they're now working for Reapers so using that company as a front is no longer necessary to hide.

Also it's on Earth.

And i didn't know Aerospace companies were allowed to do VI research.

[onelifecrisis]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ever since "terrorist" became a one-size-fits-all word for "bad people" IRL.

This bugs me as well. The word "terrorist" is thrown around a lot, but they never name even one example of Cerberus terrorism.

Does Space ****s fit them any better for you?

Gotta love BSN for my daily dose of unwarranted hostility. 

Not trying to be hostile, its a perfectly valid comparison

Then I'm not following you at all. What comparison?

[raist747]

And i didn't know Aerospace companies were allowed to do VI research.

Because companies don't branch out. You'd be surprised at some of the stuff Boeing and Lockheed Martian build besides aircraft.

Modifié par raist747, 18 juin 2011 - 05:02 .

[onelifecrisis]

BigBad wrote...

The 'terrorist or not' discussion is never going to get resolved, most likely, since there are a couple hundred different definitions of terrorism used worldwide, and there's not really any definite, legal definition with limits and degrees. So, we're falling into a 'define your terms' area before the debate really means anything.

This is an old debate? It's new to me. As for terrorism not being clearly defined... that's news to me as well. It used to have a pretty clear meaning, derived from "terrorize". But I can understand the current confusion, now that the US government has spent a decade throwing the word at anything and everything to see where it'll stick.

[CroGamer002]

For some people:

Shadow Broker Cerberus dossier.

Rogue agency for "advancement of humanity" founded in 2157. Active in both Citadel and Terminus Space. Strong human supremacist overtones. classified as a terrorist threat by both the Systems Alliance and Citadel Council.
The loss of credits due to the Illusive Man's direct interferencein recovery of Commander Shepard's body has been offset by data gathered from the Lazarus Project. Withhold retaliation until Shepard's long-term functionality is confirmed (one year post-resurrection).

Activity Highlights (for more extensive list of shell companies, see "Cerberus Economic Structure, Vol. 1-4")


2165 - Operatives steal antimatter from the SSV Geneva. Assignment goes wrong, but discipline holds and squad fights to the death. Sole survivor divulges little but names his sponsor "Cerberus." Recruitment increases, but stringent standards slow growth.


2171 - Pope Clement XVI assassinated via rosary beads coated withsodium nonacetate and dimethyl sulfoxide. Death attributed to age and heart failure. Replacement, Pope Leo XIV, has eschatological beliefs in-line with militarizing humanity; forgiving attitude to salarians re: genophage proves useful for strategic alliances against turians.


2182 - MSV Anixara sabotaged. Catalyst added to metastable metallic hydrogen fuel by timer injection. Ship breaks apart during FTL,all hands aboard lost, turian Hierarchy hawk Raherix Ursivus killed in the process. Explosion attributed to faulty engineering.
- Admiral Kahoku begins investigation of suspected Cerberus activities. (see Competition Details for more recent activity) he got killed by Cerberus

They were terrorists from start.

Modifié par Mesina2, 18 juin 2011 - 05:18 .

[Paul Sedgmore]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ever since "terrorist" became a one-size-fits-all word for "bad people" IRL.

This bugs me as well. The word "terrorist" is thrown around a lot, but they never name even one example of Cerberus terrorism.

Does Space ****s fit them any better for you?

Gotta love BSN for my daily dose of unwarranted hostility. 

Not trying to be hostile, its a perfectly valid comparison

Then I'm not following you at all. What comparison?

Replace Aryan race over everything with Humanity over everything and the views are similar. Remember that Cerberus' goals are securing human dominace over the galaxy. The same can be said of many other human organisations/governments in sci-fi like the Imperium in the Warhammer 40,000 universe

[onelifecrisis]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ever since "terrorist" became a one-size-fits-all word for "bad people" IRL.

This bugs me as well. The word "terrorist" is thrown around a lot, but they never name even one example of Cerberus terrorism.

Does Space ****s fit them any better for you?

Gotta love BSN for my daily dose of unwarranted hostility. 

Not trying to be hostile, its a perfectly valid comparison

Then I'm not following you at all. What comparison?

Replace Aryan race over everything with Humanity over everything and the views are similar. Remember that Cerberus' goals are securing human dominace over the galaxy. The same can be said of many other human organisations/governments in sci-fi like the Imperium in the Warhammer 40,000 universe

Okay, so they're fascists. Not terrorists. There is (or used to be) a difference.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

That's not an anwser.

If it is a Cord-Hislop logo then why would Cerberus want to put it on a secret illegal VI research facility on Aite, either the location remains secret and thus placing a logo would be waste of paint and decals or the Alliance will find it out and Cord-Hislop will have to explain what there logo was doing on a illegal VI Research station.