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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Please don't tell me that there are people justifying Cerberus. They murdered Admiral Kohoku and his men. There is NO justification for that.

[Someone With Mass]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Please don't tell me that there are people justifying Cerberus. They murdered Admiral Kohoku and his men. There is NO justification for that.

Prepare to be surprised.

[HTTP 404]

Paulinius wrote...


Fair enough.

I could see them using Alliance symbols in order to throw off and confuse people, but using a symbol that is easily traced back to you-sweet Jesus.

yah, we also got to keep in mind that the Reapers are arriving soon and Cerberus knows this. being Cautious is more or less thrown out the window in favor for quick results.  I am sure all the equipment sent to Overlord and other research sites have the Cereberus logo on them.  Why waste time scrubbing them off?  The chips are down and Cerberus is playing all their cards up their sleeve before the Reapers arrive. 

The level of desperation by Cerberus was increasingly felt in Retribution.  Hell, the illusive man was almost captured in it.

[CroGamer002]

Paulinius wrote...

Fair enough.

I could see them using Alliance symbols in order to throw off and confuse people, but using a symbol that is easily traced back to you-sweet Jesus.

Eh, many Alliance officials secretly support Cerberus and Cerberus is pro-human.

So doing illegal stuff, especially in Terminus System's, with Alliance uniforms is retarded?

[Paulinius]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Please don't tell me that there are people justifying Cerberus. They murdered Admiral Kohoku and his men. There is NO justification for that.

Right and wrong are human constructs, thus each person has their definition. Arguing morality would be like arguing politics-everyone is just going to get angry.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Please don't tell me that there are people justifying Cerberus. They murdered Admiral Kohoku and his men. There is NO justification for that.

Prepare to be surprised.

Well ZULU rage-quit from BSN do to variables.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

So is Watson

YOUR POINT?!

Alliance can come in the Terminus sytems.

Wait a second, this planets aren't in same place.

Aita is in The Phoenix Massing while while Watson in Sigurd's Cradle.

YOU FAIL.

Again i will show you this picture,

[Beerfish]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Please don't tell me that there are people justifying Cerberus. They murdered Admiral Kohoku and his men. There is NO justification for that.

Sure there is in their own minds.  If Cerberus and TIM feel that they have to do anything at all to protect human interests and stop a catastrophe they will do it.  The ends justify the means to them.  Are many of their moves pretty terrible when looked at individually?  For sure.

At the end of the day if you were given this choice:  Collectors are allowed to harvest 10,000,000 humans for their human reaper or some bad decissions by the organization trying to stop them you might have to over look the bad behaviour if that org is the only reason a lot of humanity is saved.

(I don't like Cerberus either by any means, just trying to point out that in the grand scheme of things they can be defended,)

[Paulinius]

Mesina2 wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Fair enough.

I could see them using Alliance symbols in order to throw off and confuse people, but using a symbol that is easily traced back to you-sweet Jesus.

Eh, many Alliance officials secretly support Cerberus and Cerberus is pro-human.

So doing illegal stuff, especially in Terminus System's, with Alliance uniforms is retarded?

I would think it would be useful if a non-human group stumbled upon their activities. It may confuse them and have them going after the Alliance for answers, then the Alliance would of course deny it and possibly make the aliens even more suspicious.

Of course, like you said it could bite the hand that feeds them and affect human-alien relations.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I'm still going to take great delight in taking them down. Revenge for their victims in ME1.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Paulinius wrote...

When Lockheed Martin and other defense contractors send personnel to Iraq, Afghanistan, and any other hostile place overseas all company identification is removed. They aren't stupid enough to have people going around with traceable logos.

When U.S. and other special forces groups go on a mission, they remove all military and national symbols. Why Cerberus or anyone would place any logo or identifying marks on operatives or "secret" facilities at all is beyond me.

They probably blackmail Alliance officials while keeping a tight noose around the neck of certain political figures back on earth... So yes, they are a fascist organization but it's largely ignored by the human government and military... Just imagine how hard it is to police everywhere in the galaxy when most of it is off limits. Above all, it's just a symbol, nothing more nothing less and it's hardly anything to go by.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 18 juin 2011 - 06:22 .

[CroGamer002]

Paulinius wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Fair enough.

I could see them using Alliance symbols in order to throw off and confuse people, but using a symbol that is easily traced back to you-sweet Jesus.

Eh, many Alliance officials secretly support Cerberus and Cerberus is pro-human.

So doing illegal stuff, especially in Terminus System's, with Alliance uniforms is retarded?

I would think it would be useful if a non-human group stumbled upon their activities. It may confuse them and have them going after the Alliance for answers, then the Alliance would of course deny it and possibly make the aliens even more suspicious.

Of course, like you said it could bite the hand that feeds them and affect human-alien relations.

Why not just ambush some Blue Suns and use their armors when fighting alien government agency.

[Someone With Mass]

The shape of the Normandy is what made the batarians believe that the Alliance was responsible for the incident in the Bahak system after the events in Arrival.

It works in Cerberus' favor to some extent.

Even if I'd like to call it dumb luck.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 18 juin 2011 - 06:26 .

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

Again i will show you this picture,

We have no idea what is the border between Terminus System's and Council space.


Esan is part of Batartain Hegemony while they were still with the Council and have Aratoht that far away.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Again i will show you this picture,

We have no idea what is the border between Terminus System's and Council space.


Esan is part of Batartain Hegemony while they were still with the Council and have Aratoht that far away.

But it does show that the Alliance is capable of creating a colony deep within the terminus systems even though the system itself is not official part of it.

[darth_lopez]

It is incredibly sad that some people can't recognize terrorist activity and properly label it as such. There's no other way to cut the cerberus cookie (unless they are working for the government then they become an incredibly unethical branch of military operations)
i honestly don't see how that fact could even be brought into question. i mean even if you agree with cerberus' base goal of human supremacy they way they do it is not good, correct or anything other than terrorism (i don't believe they count as an insurgency, though i'm 100% sure most of their actions qualify for terrorisms definition)

[Fixers0]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Uhh, Because geth are AI, and AI's are illegal,

Thanks for the "uhhhh"  real classy.

AIs are illegal to create. the geth were already there.  I would bet that Alliance would test on geth because they are the enemy.  And to clarify, what they did to David was illegal.  But to have David be a part of the research is not.  If the Alliance came down to inquire what they were doing, I am more than convinced that the facility would give an Alliance inspector a tour and still keep things behind closed door (the torture devices used on David)

The Research it self doesn't necessarily but illegal, but the project itself is, because i really doubt that i see project overlord in the Alliance's galactical chamber of commerce, what you do think it will read.

In Project Overlord our goal is to take Control over the Geth by using a merging an Human mind with a VI,

I think that will Raise some questions, considereng an Aerospace company useally isn't involved in AI research.

You might think that they will use a cover up or something like that, but still the fact that the research station is deep within the Terminus systems and geth space will cause suspision and  if the Alliance will send someone to check out and there he will find that the equipment Cord-Hislop is using is exactly the ones you use to create Spaceships, even though he does sees their logo's since they are painted on every wall.

Now, Cerberus could just do nothing and secretly start up the project, but then why would they need to waste paint on Cord-Hislop logo's on every wall if they aren't going to tell anyone?

Anwser: it's also Cerberus's logo.

[Schneidend]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Please don't tell me that there are people justifying Cerberus. They murdered Admiral Kohoku and his men. There is NO justification for that.

Kahoku knew too much. His men, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[kaiki01]

Tamahome560 wrote...

What we see is NOT a Cerberus logo, it's a logo of a front company Cord-Hislop aerospace ...

That would be nice if that was emphazied in the game >_>

[Fixers0]

Schneidend wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Please don't tell me that there are people justifying Cerberus. They murdered Admiral Kohoku and his men. There is NO justification for that.

Kahoku knew too much. His men, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Unfortuantly Murder remains a crime.

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

But it does show that the Alliance is capable of creating a colony deep within the terminus systems even though the system itself is not official part of it.

Or maybe, I don't know, SYSTEM WAS INHABITANT AND NOT CLAIMED BY ANYONE THEN?!


That's not gonna spark a war.

Going to Aita would spark a war.

[Phaedon]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

Jenaimarre wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

sam726 wrote...

 If Cerberus is supposed to be a terrorist organisation, you'd think that their operatives would not be advertising their affiliation with Cerberus with the numerous logo's on their uniform:huh:

Cerberus doesn't have a logo.

Cord Hislop Aerospace does.

They don't seem to disassociate the logo from Ceberus as characters like Jack see the logo and know its Cerberus in the games.

Jack has history with Cerberus. She -would- know what the logo looks like.

But if the logo on the Normandy is the Cord Hislop Aerospace there is no reason why the Cerberus cell the was testing on Jack would be using it

There is. Cerberus doesn't have a limitless amount of front companies. And Hislop is actually one of their greatest. I think that Hislop was actually one of TIM's companions, who died.

[Phaedon]

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Legal definition =/= Dictionary definition

The Council and the Alliance have declared them as a terrorist organization, and the current FBI definition seems to agree.

Someone With Mass wrote...
And unless the rights have changed during the last 175 years, torture and kidnapping are also crimes.

As well as theft, conspiracy, terrorism, property destruction and illegal experiments.

Modifié par Phaedon, 18 juin 2011 - 07:13 .

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

Unfortuantly Murder remains a crime.

And unless the rights have changed during the last 175 years, torture and kidnapping are also crimes.

[Schneidend]

Fixers0 wrote...

Unfortuantly Murder remains a crime.

I don't think Cerberus has ever made the claim that it is a law-abiding organization.