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[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

But it does show that the Alliance is capable of creating a colony deep within the terminus systems even though the system itself is not official part of it.

Or maybe, I don't know, SYSTEM WAS INHABITANT AND NOT CLAIMED BY ANYONE THEN?!


That's not gonna spark a war.

Going to Aita would spark a war.

And you just think the Alliance can fly through all systems in terminus  and magicly finds a system that isn't inhabited yet even though it is very close to Omega the heart of terminus system, and they thought it would be a good place for a colony. 

Why would it spark a war ? sending an Normandy class Ship with an N7 team could quickly clear it up.

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Uhh, Because geth are AI, and AI's are illegal,

Thanks for the "uhhhh"  real classy.

AIs are illegal to create. the geth were already there.  I would bet that Alliance would test on geth because they are the enemy.  And to clarify, what they did to David was illegal.  But to have David be a part of the research is not.  If the Alliance came down to inquire what they were doing, I am more than convinced that the facility would give an Alliance inspector a tour and still keep things behind closed door (the torture devices used on David)

The Research it self doesn't necessarily but illegal, but the project itself is, because i really doubt that i see project overlord in the Alliance's galactical chamber of commerce, what you do think it will read.

In Project Overlord our goal is to take Control over the Geth by using a merging an Human mind with a VI,

I think that will Raise some questions, considereng an Aerospace company useally isn't involved in AI research.

You might think that they will use a cover up or something like that, but still the fact that the research station is deep within the Terminus systems and geth space will cause suspision and  if the Alliance will send someone to check out and there he will find that the equipment Cord-Hislop is using is exactly the ones you use to create Spaceships, even though he does sees their logo's since they are painted on every wall.

Now, Cerberus could just do nothing and secretly start up the project, but then why would they need to waste paint on Cord-Hislop logo's on every wall if they aren't going to tell anyone?

Anwser: it's also Cerberus's logo.

This research is illegal in Council Space.

Aita is not in Council space.

Same for Noveria.



And that base is, you know, SECRET!
Nobody knows about it but Illusive Man, Atlas cell and Shepard.

[Phaedon]

Schneidend wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Please don't tell me that there are people justifying Cerberus. They murdered Admiral Kohoku and his men. There is NO justification for that.

Kahoku knew too much. His men, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It has to be a very wrong place and time when you actually set up a transmission signal to the Alliance.

As for Kahoku knowing too much, that's neither a legal nor a moral explanation as to his abduction,torture and murder.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Uhh, Because geth are AI, and AI's are illegal,

Thanks for the "uhhhh"  real classy.

AIs are illegal to create. the geth were already there.  I would bet that Alliance would test on geth because they are the enemy.  And to clarify, what they did to David was illegal.  But to have David be a part of the research is not.  If the Alliance came down to inquire what they were doing, I am more than convinced that the facility would give an Alliance inspector a tour and still keep things behind closed door (the torture devices used on David)

The Research it self doesn't necessarily but illegal, but the project itself is, because i really doubt that i see project overlord in the Alliance's galactical chamber of commerce, what you do think it will read.

In Project Overlord our goal is to take Control over the Geth by using a merging an Human mind with a VI,

I think that will Raise some questions, considereng an Aerospace company useally isn't involved in AI research.

You might think that they will use a cover up or something like that, but still the fact that the research station is deep within the Terminus systems and geth space will cause suspision and  if the Alliance will send someone to check out and there he will find that the equipment Cord-Hislop is using is exactly the ones you use to create Spaceships, even though he does sees their logo's since they are painted on every wall.

Now, Cerberus could just do nothing and secretly start up the project, but then why would they need to waste paint on Cord-Hislop logo's on every wall if they aren't going to tell anyone?

Anwser: it's also Cerberus's logo.

This research is illegal in Council Space.

Aita is not in Council space.

Same for Noveria.



And that base is, you know, SECRET!
Nobody knows about it but Illusive Man, Atlas cell and Shepard.

THEN WHY DID THEY PUT UP CORD HISLOP LOGOS EVERWERE.

Tip, the anwser is in one of my posts.

Modifié par Fixers0, 18 juin 2011 - 07:18 .

[Fixers0]

Double post.

Modifié par Fixers0, 18 juin 2011 - 07:18 .

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
And you just think the Alliance can fly through all systems in terminus  and magicly finds a system that isn't inhabited yet even though it is very close to Omega the heart of terminus system, and they thought it would be a good place for a colony. 

Why would it spark a war ? sending an Normandy class Ship with an N7 team could quickly clear it up.

I didn't follow the debate so I have no idea what you and Mesina2 are talking about, but let me point out some flaws in your theory, if you don't mind:

-90%+ of the galaxy is not inhabitted, they did not magically find it.

-Define 'close'. There are multiple dozens of systems at minimum, between any dots that we have been shown so far on the map.

-The lore strongly suggests that there have always been no more than two Normandy class ships in the galaxy.

Modifié par Phaedon, 18 juin 2011 - 07:19 .

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

And you just think the Alliance can fly through all systems in terminus  and magicly finds a system that isn't inhabited yet even though it is very close to Omega the heart of terminus system, and they thought it would be a good place for a colony.

Maybe, I don't know, those system's didn't go independent at the time?
Like Horizon, Freedom Progress and many more?

And we don't know territory of any faction in Mass Effect.

There can be some other Mass Relay that connects that system withing Alliance space, but Shepard doesn't use since he/she can go freely through Terminus System's and had no reason to use that one?

Why would it spark a war ? sending an Normandy class Ship with an N7 team could quickly clear it up.

There's only 1 stealth ship in entire galaxy.

That's Normandy SR-2, which belongs to Cerberus.


And for sending N7 operatives wouldn't spark a war?


That's like saying you send Navy Seals in China or better yet North Korea and think it won't have any consequences.

[Schneidend]

Phaedon wrote...
It has to be a very wrong place and time when you actually set up a transmission signal to the Alliance.

As for Kahoku knowing too much, that's neither a legal nor a moral explanation as to his abduction,torture and murder.

Exactly. Legality and morality are meaningless to an organization like Cerberus, that does whatever it takes to accomplish its goals. To a Cerberus member, eliminating somebody who is in the way of accomplishing your mission is all the justification one needs.

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
THEN WHY DID THEY PUT UP CORD HISLOP LOGOS EVERWERE.

Tip, the anwser is in one of my posts.

And once again I intervene unaware of what the original debate is about.

Being considered as a private corporation gives the owner of a ship to do whatever s/he wants in the Terminus, without the Alliance being involved. Check CDN for Gavrug.

Anything else raises suspicions or trouble.

It's a bit different to say "Oh, hey look, a private frigate doing scheduled pick-ups from the Terminus"
to "Hey! An unmarked vessel that is not on our databases are heading from the Terminus to Council Space. FIRE AT WILL."

[me_54m]

Well one things for sure, I doubt the Cerberus logo will be down the side of the Normandy any more.

It would be amusing if you could still see the outline where the paint around it has faded, a bit like you sometimes see when company like royal mail sell their vans and just peel off the stickers!

Modifié par me_54m, 18 juin 2011 - 07:25 .

[Phaedon]

Schneidend wrote...
Exactly. Legality and morality are meaningless to an organization like Cerberus, that does whatever it takes to accomplish its goals. To a Cerberus member, eliminating somebody who is in the way of accomplishing your mission is all the justification one needs.

Yup. That pretty much sums up why I hate utilitarianism and I think that it's hurtful.

How many fanatical paramilitary organizations can a galaxy hold and for how long?

me_54m wrote...

Well one things for sure, I doubt the Cerberus logo will be down the side of the Normandy any more.

It would be amusing if you could still see the outline where the paint around it has faded, a bit like you sometimes see when company like royal mail sell their vans and just peel of the stickers!

We have actually had a detailed look of the 'new' Normandy. The paintjob is new. all right.

Modifié par Phaedon, 18 juin 2011 - 07:25 .

[Someone With Mass]

Phaedon wrote...
It has to be a very wrong place and time when you actually set up a transmission signal to the Alliance.

As for Kahoku knowing too much, that's neither a legal nor a moral explanation as to his abduction,torture and murder.

Murder is never justified. Because we don't live in those old ages anymore.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
And you just think the Alliance can fly through all systems in terminus  and magicly finds a system that isn't inhabited yet even though it is very close to Omega the heart of terminus system, and they thought it would be a good place for a colony. 

Why would it spark a war ? sending an Normandy class Ship with an N7 team could quickly clear it up.

I didn't follow the debate so I have no idea what you and Mesina2 are talking about, but let me point out some flaws in your theory, if you don't mind:

-90%+ of the galaxy is not inhabitted, they did not magically find it.

-Define 'close'. There are multiple dozens of systems at minimum, between any dots that we have been shown so far on the map.

-The lore strongly suggests that there have always been no more than two Normandy class ships in the galaxy.

The Sigurd's Cradle system is relatively close to the Omega Nebula, i even think it is the closest system on the Galaxy map right in the Middle of Terminus systems, how and why would the Alliance want to start a colony there if they arer all closed in by hostile factions.

The SSV Ain jalut is Normandy class Vessel, it can be heard on the news.

Link to wiki page. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Alliance_Navy  

[Phaedon]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Murder is never justified. Because we don't live in those old ages anymore.

Murder is justified in some cases, imo.
Self-protection and protection of one's freedom are the things that come to mind, should peaceful alternatives be impossible.

I know that you are talking about the "the ends justify the means" policy, just thought I'd add my opinion there.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

And you just think the Alliance can fly through all systems in terminus  and magicly finds a system that isn't inhabited yet even though it is very close to Omega the heart of terminus system, and they thought it would be a good place for a colony.

Maybe, I don't know, those system's didn't go independent at the time?
Like Horizon, Freedom Progress and many more?

And we don't know territory of any faction in Mass Effect.

There can be some other Mass Relay that connects that system withing Alliance space, but Shepard doesn't use since he/she can go freely through Terminus System's and had no reason to use that one?

Why would it spark a war ? sending an Normandy class Ship with an N7 team could quickly clear it up.

There's only 1 stealth ship in entire galaxy.

That's Normandy SR-2, which belongs to Cerberus.


And for sending N7 operatives wouldn't spark a war?


That's like saying you send Navy Seals in China or better yet North Korea and think it won't have any consequences.

SSV ain jalut.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Alliance_Navy

[Someone With Mass]

The Alliance can deploy stealth drones, though.

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
The Sigurd's Cradle system is relatively close to the Omega Nebula, i even think it is the closest system on the Galaxy map right in the Middle of Terminus systems, how and why would the Alliance want to start a colony there if they arer all closed in by hostile factions.

The SSV Ain jalut is Normandy class Vessel, it can be heard on the news.

Link to wiki page. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Alliance_Navy  

I think that my original argument still stands. I can't find a source right now, but I am sure that ME1 mentions that more than 90% of the galaxy is uncharted. Should the system be charted, as it appears to be, if that is the work of some scientists and a supah dupah telescope or someone who landed there. Probably the first. Even then, a settlement in a planet, in a system, in the thousands of Terminus Systems make the odds pretty good.

I still don't know anything about the original argument, so I can't comment further.

[CroGamer002]

Fixers0 wrote...

SSV ain jalut.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Alliance_Navy

SSV=Systems Alliance Space Vehicle


Any military ship from Alliance or Council even near borders would spark a war.

[Someone With Mass]

Phaedon wrote...
Murder is justified in some cases, imo.
Self-protection and protection of one's freedom are the things that come to mind, should peaceful alternatives be impossible.

I know that you are talking about the "the ends justify the means" policy, just thought I'd add my opinion there.

Bsesides self-defense and all that, yeah.

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

SSV=Systems Alliance Space Vehicle


Any military ship from Alliance or Council even near borders would spark a war.

If it's detected, that is.

I doubt all factions can cover all their grounds at all times.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

SSV ain jalut.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Alliance_Navy

SSV=Systems Alliance Space Vehicle


Any military ship from Alliance or Council even near borders would spark a war.

the SSV Ain Jalut is an Normandy-class Stealth frigate, Read the link or go in game and follow the News reporst of Emily wong. that would be able to quickly strike on Aite  and take Atlas station out.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

SSV=Systems Alliance Space Vehicle


Any military ship from Alliance or Council even near borders would spark a war.

If it's detected, that is.

I doubt all factions can cover all their grounds at all times.

Terminus System's are independent colonies.

They have their own govorments and fleets.
They even go to war on each other sometimes.


Only thing that they share is hate for that Council and if they attack, they'll f*cking unite.
Kinda like Greece in ancient times.

[Phaedon]

So, the whole argument started out of this post?

Fixers0 wrote...


That's not an anwser.

If it is a Cord-Hislop logo then why would Cerberus want to put it on a secret illegal VI research facility on Aite, either the location remains secret and thus placing a logo would be waste of paint and decals or the Alliance will find it out and Cord-Hislop will have to explain what there logo was doing on a illegal VI Research station.

Mesina2's response is satisfactory I think, and it seems to be the most straightforward explanation.

The SA wouldn't: a) Openly start operations on Terminus, have any chance of finding the base, c) have any reason to search there.

If they did have a reason to raid the base, then it would be a wee bit too late.

As to why the logo is there in the first place? These are my two theories:
1. A pirate who sees a base sponsored by a big corporation will stay away. The defences will either be advanced, or the corporation may set a bounty on his or her head.

2. A company's factory/lab seems less suspicious to anyone else than a shady looking base with no sponsor.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

So, the whole argument started out of this post?

Fixers0 wrote...


That's not an anwser.

If it is a Cord-Hislop logo then why would Cerberus want to put it on a secret illegal VI research facility on Aite, either the location remains secret and thus placing a logo would be waste of paint and decals or the Alliance will find it out and Cord-Hislop will have to explain what there logo was doing on a illegal VI Research station.

Mesina2's response is satisfactory I think, and it seems to be the most straightforward explanation.

The SA wouldn't: a) Openly start operations on Terminus, have any chance of finding the base, c) have any reason to search there.

If they did have a reason to raid the base, then it would be a wee bit too late.

As to why the logo is there in the first place? These are my two theories:
1. A pirate who sees a base sponsored by a big corporation will stay away. The defences will either be advanced, or the corporation may set a bounty on his or her head.

2. A company's factory/lab seems less suspicious to anyone else than a shady looking base with no sponsor.

Your reason could be valid, but since rarely people come there  I still think the most straightforward option to think is that the put the Logo's because it's cerberus logo,

Also if just found out that if you Check the codex entry for Ceberus, you get an image of that infamouslogo so ithink that pretty confirms that it is indeed also the logo for Cerberus.  

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
Your reason could be valid, but since rarely people come there  I still think the most straightforward option to think is that the put the Logo's because it's cerberus logo,

Also if just found out that if you Check the codex entry for Ceberus, you get an image of that infamouslogo so ithink that pretty confirms that it is indeed also the logo for Cerberus.  

Cerberus can't have a logo. They are a covert organization, and other than the Lazarus Cell and some parts of the R&D cell (which I theorize are the ones with the operatives that formed the Lazarus Cell later, I am working on a thread on Cerberus right now), they don't use it. Think about it. If their regular R&D cell doesn't use it (from ME1), and the political cell doesn't use it, what remains? The corporate cell and the Lazarus cell which was formed after the events of ME1.

Anyway, it's confirmed that it's the logo of the front company Cord Hislop Aerospace, right? I don't think that there's much point in arguing.