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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Phaedon wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Murder is never justified. Because we don't live in those old ages anymore.

Murder is justified in some cases, imo.
Self-protection and protection of one's freedom are the things that come to mind, should peaceful alternatives be impossible.

I know that you are talking about the "the ends justify the means" policy, just thought I'd add my opinion there.

In my mind, there's a difference between murder and killing, where murder would be in cold blood, and killing would be something like... shooting somebody who's trying to stab somebody else.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
Your reason could be valid, but since rarely people come there  I still think the most straightforward option to think is that the put the Logo's because it's cerberus logo,

Also if just found out that if you Check the codex entry for Ceberus, you get an image of that infamouslogo so ithink that pretty confirms that it is indeed also the logo for Cerberus.  

Cerberus can't have a logo. They are a covert organization, and other than the Lazarus Cell and some parts of the R&D cell (which I theorize are the ones with the operatives that formed the Lazarus Cell later, I am working on a thread on Cerberus right now), they don't use it. Think about it. If their regular R&D cell doesn't use it (from ME1), and the political cell doesn't use it, what remains? The corporate cell and the Lazarus cell which was formed after the events of ME1.

Anyway, it's confirmed that it's the logo of the front company Cord Hislop Aerospace, right? I don't think that there's much point in arguing.

Well the Codex shows that logo it didn't mention anything about Cord-hislop, i mean why would it lie?  that and  the fact game heaviliy seems to emphasize that this is the insingia of Cerberus and every time Ceberus is involved this logo is shown.

Think about, not only in game but also in tooltips, Cerberus daily, news and the icon in the ME2 DLC menu seem to indicate that this also logo for Cerberus, Rember that Cerberus was heavily emphasized in the Marketing campaign and that this logo is constantly related to all this, why would Bioware give us a logo of an Aerospace company thas is unknown to the majority of the Players  

[TexasToast712]

I dont see Cerberus attacking civilian targets and/or blowing themselves up in order to overthrow a government therefore I see no terrorists. Just sick twisted individuals who like to experiment.

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...
Well the Codex shows that logo it didn't mention anything about Cord-hislop, i mean why would it lie?  that and  the fact game heaviliy seems to emphasize that this is the insingia of Cerberus and every time Ceberus is involved this logo is shown.

Think about, not only in game but also in tooltips, Cerberus daily, news and the icon in the ME2 DLC menu seem to indicate that this also logo for Cerberus, Rember that Cerberus was heavily emphasized in the Marketing campaign and that this logo is constantly related to all this, why would Bioware give us a logo of an Aerospace company thas is unknown to the majority of the Players  

All of those are cases of Bioware having to show something...?

How does it make sense for Cerberus to have a logo. I won't repeat my past post, because I'll just have to restate every single of my points which you ignored. That would be all of them.

Everything else is unfounded assumption based on no factual evidence which can not produce a rumour, let alone a backed-up statement.

[Fixers0]

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
Well the Codex shows that logo it didn't mention anything about Cord-hislop, i mean why would it lie?  that and  the fact game heaviliy seems to emphasize that this is the insingia of Cerberus and every time Ceberus is involved this logo is shown.

Think about, not only in game but also in tooltips, Cerberus daily, news and the icon in the ME2 DLC menu seem to indicate that this also logo for Cerberus, Rember that Cerberus was heavily emphasized in the Marketing campaign and that this logo is constantly related to all this, why would Bioware give us a logo of an Aerospace company thas is unknown to the majority of the Players  

All of those are cases of Bioware having to show something...?

How does it make sense for Cerberus to have a logo. I won't repeat my past post, because I'll just have to restate every single of my points which you ignored. That would be all of them.

Everything else is unfounded assumption based on no factual evidence which can not produce a rumour, let alone a backed-up statement.

you're right they should't have a logo, but they have, it's shown all the time.

The Codex confirms the logo is related to Cerberus, you can't deny that.

I agree it could very well be Cord-Hislop logo, but  you should also look at the context of the entire game, which is about cerberus and the logo is constantly shown even outside the game, if you want factual proof that unfortuantly i can't give you one, because Miranda never said ''Shepard, this is our logo, what do you think?'' i think the people at bioware thought it was obvious enough.

You are starting to act like the good-old Smudboy who also refused to believe things if they weren't stated/
 
And lastly ,What do you think average people think when they see that logo, the probably have never read a Mass Effect Novel, and the only place i can find Cord-Hislop in game is in the Shadow broker Dossier.

Modifié par Fixers0, 18 juin 2011 - 08:53 .

[Yakko77]

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ask Sole Survivor Shepard.

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Fixers0 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
Well the Codex shows that logo it didn't mention anything about Cord-hislop, i mean why would it lie?  that and  the fact game heaviliy seems to emphasize that this is the insingia of Cerberus and every time Ceberus is involved this logo is shown.

Think about, not only in game but also in tooltips, Cerberus daily, news and the icon in the ME2 DLC menu seem to indicate that this also logo for Cerberus, Rember that Cerberus was heavily emphasized in the Marketing campaign and that this logo is constantly related to all this, why would Bioware give us a logo of an Aerospace company thas is unknown to the majority of the Players  

All of those are cases of Bioware having to show something...?

How does it make sense for Cerberus to have a logo. I won't repeat my past post, because I'll just have to restate every single of my points which you ignored. That would be all of them.

Everything else is unfounded assumption based on no factual evidence which can not produce a rumour, let alone a backed-up statement.

you're right they should have a logo, but they have, it's shown all the time.

The Codex confirms the logo is related to Cerberus, you can't deny that.

I agree it could very well be Cord-Hislop logo, but  you should also look at the context of the entire game, which is about cerberus and the logo is constantly shown even outside the game, if you want factual proof that unfortuantly i can't give you one, because Miranda never said ''Shepard, this is our logo, what do you think?'' i think the people at bioware thought it was obvious enough.

You are starting to act like the good-old Smudboy who also refused to believe things if they weren't stated/
 
And lastly ,What do you think average people think when they see that logo, the probably have never read a Mass Effect Novel, and the only place i can find Cord-Hislop in game is in the Shadow broker Dossier.

it isn't "could" it "is"

Im failing to see what point you are driving at Fixer.  that cerberus is dumb to have logos at research sites? or that bioware failed in their writing?  what is your point?

[Anihilus]

Maybe Cord-Hislop is just a front for Cerberus, and because of that most associate the CH logo with Cerberus

[Yakko77]

Tamahome560 wrote...

What we see is NOT a Cerberus logo, it's a logo of a front company Cord-Hislop aerospace ...

I really need to read the Codex more.  I honestly didn't know that despite my multiple playthroughs.

[CroGamer002]

Anihilus wrote...

Maybe Cord-Hislop is just a front for Cerberus, and because of that most associate the CH logo with Cerberus

Mass Effect Wiki...

Cord-Hislop is actually used by Cerberus as a front to fund their activities. Paul Grayson was assigned to Cord-Hislop's sales department when he adopted Gillian Grayson, and eventually climbed to the executive ranks as a cover for his work with Cerberus.

Pretty much.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Paulinius wrote...

When Lockheed Martin and other defense contractors send personnel to Iraq, Afghanistan, and any other hostile place overseas all company identification is removed. They aren't stupid enough to have people going around with traceable logos.

When U.S. and other special forces groups go on a mission, they remove all military and national symbols. Why Cerberus or anyone would place any logo or identifying marks on operatives or "secret" facilities at all is beyond me.

For the most part you are right. It depends on the mission. Certain types of Direct action missions (depending on the force) sometimes do wear some sort of patch. Army Rangers probably won't have a Ranger tab on them in combat but they do have some sort of Identifier. Green Berets (or Special Forces) sometimes wear their tabs on their bdus.

It depends, but it does happen.

[sam726]

regardless of whether the logo is cord hislops' or not, people associate it with cerberus and "terrorist like" activities, so it still seems odd that cerberus would be flashing it around the place

[Someone With Mass]

It really doesn't help when they're putting that logo everywhere. Sooner or later, someone's going to make the connection.

[Schneidend]

Yakko77 wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ask Sole Survivor Shepard.

Terrorism is the use of fear as a catalyst for change. Terrorism is causing suffering or damage that scares people and then telling those people "the violence will continue until you do what we want." Cerberus isn't a terrorist organization because fear is not how they expect to achieve their goals.

[Yakko77]

Schneidend wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

When did Cerberus became terrororist organisation?

Ask Sole Survivor Shepard.

Terrorism is the use of fear as a catalyst for change. Terrorism is causing suffering or damage that scares people and then telling those people "the violence will continue until you do what we want." Cerberus isn't a terrorist organization because fear is not how they expect to achieve their goals.

OK, I'll play.  It wasn't a "terrorist" act.

Instigating a Thresher Maw attack on a company of Alliance Marines for the sake of "research" at the cost of their lives is what exactly?

[marshalleck]

Folks, they have to plaster their logo all over everything so the gamers who button mash past all the talky bits still have some idea that there is in fact some sort of plot somewhere.

"Okay I'm on this squid ship thing and I see the same logo Miranda has on her boobs, I guess this is one of their ships or something, god this is boring I want to shoot something..."

[Yakko77]

marshalleck wrote...

Folks, they have to plaster their logo all over everything so the gamers who button mash past all the talky bits still have some idea that there is in fact some sort of plot somewhere.

"Okay I'm on this squid ship thing and I see the same logo Miranda has on her boobs, I guess this is one of their ships or something, god this is boring I want to shoot something..."

OK, I LOL'd at that.

[Schneidend]

Yakko77 wrote...

OK, I'll play.  It wasn't a "terrorist" act.

Instigating a Thresher Maw attack on a company of Alliance Marines for the sake of "research" at the cost of their lives is what exactly?

You already answered your own question. It was an experiment. If it were a terrorist act, they would have broadcast it across the galaxy to spread terror, not try to cover it up.

[Antivenger]

Shadow Broker Cerberus dossier.

Rogue agency for "advancement of humanity" founded in 2157. Active in both Citadel and Terminus Space. Strong human supremacist overtones. classified as a terrorist threat by both the Systems Alliance and Citadel Council.

I'm surprised everyone just glazed over this.

[Schneidend]

Calling a dog a cat does not make it a cat.

[Antivenger]

But the almighty creator and/or evolution creating said creature to be a cat does, in fact make it a cat.

Seriously, by their actions and by how BioWare wrote them, they are terrorists.

Modifié par Antivenger, 19 juin 2011 - 10:18 .

[Schneidend]

Bioware and the Alliance/Council are not synonymous. The Alliance/Council declaring Cerberus terrorists is not Word of God. It's a purely political move to turn public opinion against Cerberus. The average person doesn't really know anything about Cerberus, and Cerberus doesn't broadcast its intent or activity, so since there is no alternate message about Cerberus, "terrorist" immediately becomes true to the people of the galaxy.

Al-Qaeda is a terrorist group. They attack somebody and then claim responsibility, "We did this. We don't like how you live your lives. Change your ways, or the violence will continue." They are trying to intimidate people on a large scale.

Cerberus is not attempting to intimidate the masses. They influence events directly, rigging elections, assassinating key figures, etc. By definition, Cerberus is not a terrorist organization.

[Wulfram]

Whether or not they're actually technically terrorists, the fact that the powers that be consider them terrorists makes putting their logo everywhere pretty stupid.

If you accept that it's the logo of the front company, then putting on the new Normandy is stupid because you've just blown your front company's cover.

[Schneidend]

Cord-Hislop Aerospace put their logo on a ship? The fools!

Modifié par Schneidend, 19 juin 2011 - 10:49 .

[Ianamus]

Well, the Normandy was supposed to be a stealth ship wasn't it? So I doubt that anyone would ever get inside to see the interior, and even if they did they'd probably be more concerned about the illegal AI, the Geth platform and the wanted theif then the fact that everone has a cerberus symbol on.

As for outside of the Normandy, on their space stations and such, I agree completely. Maybe they just have a really big ego or something.