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[atheelogos]

I didn't like it in ME2, but I have to admit I love it in ME3. Its like they're saying we're out of hiding! lol

[Wojtek the Soldier Bear]

It's quite simple, really. During Tali's loyalty mission, the Migrant Fleet's scanners detect that the Normandy SR-2 is registered as a Cerberus vessel. The ship has the logo in multiple places on the exterior hull. This is incontrovertible proof that it is Cerberus' logo, not Cord-Hislop. Cerberus has many shell companies; Cord-Hislop is the only one mentioned by name. Only one logo is seen. The issue is not as complex as people make it out be. Perhaps Cerberus just doesn't care if they are seen anymore, seeing as how galactic life may be ending very shortly.

[Wulfram]

Schneidend wrote...

Cord-Hislop Aerospace put their logo on a ship? The fools!

On a ship operating for what is considered a terrorist organisation, based on the latest military designs.  Just having built the thing is surely grounds for the Alliance or Council to shut the company down, confiscate all assets and investigate everyone even vaguely connected to the company.

Actually, it being a straightforward Cerberus logo makes more sense.  It's still a bit ridiculous, but TIM wants people to know that Shepard is working for him now.

[Schneidend]

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

It's quite simple, really. During Tali's loyalty mission, the Migrant Fleet's scanners detect that the Normandy SR-2 is registered as a Cerberus vessel.

It wasn't "registered" as a Cerberus vessel. The quarians knew it was a Cerberus ship because they'd already had experience with Cerberus ships entering the Fleet in the novels. IFF codes were likely similar enough that the quarians put two and two together.

[Schneidend]

Luc0s wrote...

World English Dictionary:

terrorism  (ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm) 
— n

1.systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal


Cerberus are terrorists. No doubt about it.

The key word here is "intimidation." Cerberus isn't trying to intimidate anybody.

If using violence was all it took to be a terrorist, every military in the entire world would be terrorists.

[Antivenger]

Schneidend wrote...



Cerberus is not attempting to intimidate the
masses. They influence events directly, rigging elections, assassinating
key figures, etc. By definition, Cerberus is not a terrorist
organization.

This had convinced me of Cerberus not being terrorists.

Luc0s wrote...

World English Dictionary:

terrorism  (ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm) 
— n

1.systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal


Cerberus are terrorists. No doubt about it.

This made me rethink it.

~~

I guess it all comes down to your own definition of "terrorism". No point debating it, I guess. I always hated Cerberus anyway. Typhoeus FOR THE WIN!

Modifié par Antivenger, 19 juin 2011 - 03:11 .

[Yakko77]

Schneidend wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

OK, I'll play.  It wasn't a "terrorist" act.

Instigating a Thresher Maw attack on a company of Alliance Marines for the sake of "research" at the cost of their lives is what exactly?

You already answered your own question. It was an experiment. If it were a terrorist act, they would have broadcast it across the galaxy to spread terror, not try to cover it up.

Except that "experiment" was carried out with the ultimate goal of helping Cerberus (though they claim to do such things in the name of "humanity") achieve supremacy at the cost of lives, in this case, a company of Alliance Marines.  I'm pretty sure they were plenty terrified as they were being eaten and/or melted by acid for the sake of some of some shadow groups ultimate goal of human dominance.

[Schneidend]

Terrorism, by its very nature, is a very publicized, loud agenda. Terrorists kill en masse for no other reason than to spread fear, then they find some way to get the word out that not only are they the ones responsible, but they'll do it again if their demands are not met.

Cerberus does neither of these things. If they kill, it is with a very specific purpose in mind, like replacing somebody with one of their agents or supporters, or stealing something vital to their research. They don't go for the highest kill count possible and then brag on the extranet about it.

[Someone With Mass]

Schneidend wrote...

The key word here is "intimidation." Cerberus isn't trying to intimidate anybody.

If using violence was all it took to be a terrorist, every military in the entire world would be terrorists.

Tell that to Paul Grayson and admiral Kahoku.

Oh, wait... 

[leeboi2]

Dannyboy9876 wrote...

It's logical.

Al'Qaeda shout gibberish related to Allah just before they blow.

ALLAH AKBAH!

[thetruefreemo]

I think of them more as a PMC than a terrorist group, a PMC that you can't hire for anything. That's how I justify the logo thing though or that almost no one knows what it means.

[Inspectre]

javierabegazo wrote...
They seemed pretty stupid already. Did you read any of the books?

That's not fair; the books were pretty stupid.

SennenScale wrote...

Not a single person in the galaxy is
fooled by it and yet they still refuse to get rid of the logo. I'd say
that qualifies as a fail on Cerberu's part.

Not a single one of us is fooled by it.  If the cpus do know, they can keep a really straight face/level tone.

Mesina2 wrote...

God, this people are morons.

Careful, asskissing seems to be hurting your grammar.

[Ahglock]

Just yell COBRA when you see them on screen, it makes it seem more fitting some how. Then when storm shadow(Kai Lang) attacks you you can wonder if a biker gang with a disguise expert boss will attack you later or maybe if the man in the iron mask arms dealer with a smoking hot girlfriend will cause problems down the line.

[Dave of Canada]

Oh hey, another anti-Cerberus thread. Just what we needed.

[sam726]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Oh hey, another anti-Cerberus thread. Just what we needed.

Read the start of the thread. It was about something completely different from what it is now. So no, it wasn't an anti Cerberus thread.

[Dave of Canada]

sam726 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Oh hey, another anti-Cerberus thread. Just what we needed.

Read the start of the thread. It was about something completely different from what it is now. So no, it wasn't an anti Cerberus thread.

I did, though almost all anti-Cerberus threads are formed when people hijack anything Cerberus related.

[onelifecrisis]

Luc0s wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

How do you figure Cerberus' actions in ME1 qualify as terrorism?

Cerberus are evil, no doubt, but that doesn't make them terrorists.

World English Dictionary:

terrorism  (ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm) 
— n

1.systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal


Cerberus are terrorists. No doubt about it.

Yes, well done, you've managed to find one incredibly vague dictionary definition somewhere, by which every schoolyard kid who ever stole another's lunch money is a terrorist.

[Slayer299]

onelifecrisis wrote...
Yes, well done, you've managed to find one incredibly vague dictionary definition somewhere, by which every schoolyard kid who ever stole another's lunch money is a terrorist.

It's straight out of the Mirriam-Webster dictionary, hardly some generic and unclear definition of the word. Terrorism isn't a word that was only created in the last 15 yrs or something.

The word terrorist is not defined by the image of someone running into the middle of a crowd/store/restaurant yelling something and then blowing themselves up. That is a modern image from events seen/heard from the news.

And I'd say Cereberus' activities to date pretty much sum up "intimidation and violence to achieve a goal" (human dominance). 

edit - clarity

Modifié par Slayer299, 20 juin 2011 - 03:15 .

[DoNotIngest]

It's a shame Cerberus' logo isn't a three-headed thresher maw...



;^)

[onelifecrisis]

Slayer299 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...
Yes, well done, you've managed to find one incredibly vague dictionary definition somewhere, by which every schoolyard kid who ever stole another's lunch money is a terrorist.

It's straight out of the Mirriam-Webster dictionary, hardly some generic and unclear definition of the word. Terrorism isn't a word that was only created in the last 15 yrs or something.

The word terrorist is not defined by the image of someone running into the middle of a crowd/store/restaurant yelling something and then blowing themselves up. That is a modern image from events seen/heard from the news.

And I'd say Cereberus' activities to date pretty much sum up "intimidation and violence to achieve a goal" (human dominance). 

edit - clarity

I don't see how the definition becomes any clearer on account of being from Mirriam-Webster; a schoolyard bully still fits their definition.

[Paula Deen]

zweistein_J wrote...

i don't get the meaning of this thread lol
for starters Cerberus are not terrorists.
'terrorism' is just a tag people put on things they want.
Cerberus is a kick-ass organisation, the problem is that they believe that the means justify the ends, which is not always the best way to keep everyone happy.

A "kick-ass organization"? Well, I guess you wouldn't have a problem with being shipped off to Teltin facility, or be a soldier/colonist at Akuze. Or an Admiral just wondering why his men were murdered (by said kick-ass organization). Oh, and it's best not to be a prodigal biotic. Or a biotic at all, for that matter. Or an alien politician that isn't fond of humanity. Or even a pro-human politician that doesn't want to be controlled by said organization. Or the person assigned to defend him. Or a quarian, for that matter.

[khordlambert]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Paula Deen wrote...

A "kick-ass organization"? Well, I guess you wouldn't have a problem with being shipped off to Teltin facility, or be a soldier/colonist at Akuze. Or an Admiral just wondering why his men were murdered (by said kick-ass organization).

Oh boo-hoo. If you were born in the Terminus and you joined the Blue Suns to earn a living and see the galaxy I'm sure you wouldn't think Shepard was kick-ass either.

I'm sure if you were a krogan you wouldn't find the Spectres or STG kick-ass considering how their actions have adversely affected your life.

I'm sure if you're a batarian the Alliance aren't the good guys considering how man of your people they've killed and land they've stolen.

Nobody likes making sacrifices, but they're unavoidable. Always putting yourself in someone else's shoes doesn't accomplish much. In your case it would just paralyze you and prevent action.

Yeah, a good number of these comparisons don't really work. Blue Suns are an amoral group of barely professional psychopaths, the Krogan would've conqured the galaxy out of sheer numbers and were not planning on doing anything to avoid that, and the Batarians are one of the only major civilizations still using slaves. (And all of this is just off the top of my head.) Each of these groups have done more than a few things to warrant a beating.

Also, I always find it funny how the people talking about sacrifice tend to be those not making the sacrifices. Why dont you offer up a few eggs you own to be broken "for the greater good"?