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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

So who are the ones you venerate in the history of mankind in the plain of Theory, Philosophy, Science, Politics and essential matters.
Please no Artists,, Actors, Musicians, Poets, Novel Writers and fictional characters.
My list is:
1. Aristotle (Ethics)
2. Cicero (Politics)
3. Toynbee (Philosophy of history)
4. Montesquieu (Law & Politics)
5. Epictetus (Symbol of purity)
6. Thomas Edison (Scientist - Inventor)
7. Marcus Aurelius (Emperor)
8. Dmitri Mendeleev (Chemistry)
9. Albert Einstein (Physics)
10. Bill Gates (Microsoft Windows!)

Note: Please be polite.

Modifié par Garbage Master, 18 juin 2011 - 04:53 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Did you just say Isaac Einstein?

[vometia]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Did you just say Isaac Einstein?

Dave Einstein's younger brother.  He used his vast knowledge of physics to invent the Soda Stream.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Have you something constructive (a list) to say?

[Turnip Root]

10.Hideki Sato(Sega engineer who made the Dreamcast, the greatest console ever)
9.FDR(Politician)
8.Chairman Mao(Politician)
7.Miyamoto Musashi(Samurai)
6.Lance Armstrong(Athlete)
5.Genghis Kahn(warrior)
4.Yuri Gagarin(Cosmonaut)
3.Carlos the Jackal(Assassin)
2.Tom Cruise(Revolutionary)
1.Joseph Stalin(God)

Modifié par Turnip Root, 18 juin 2011 - 05:16 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Turnip Root wrote...
2.Tom Cruise(Revolutionary)
1.Joseph Stalin(God)

No actor please!
And if I want to call someone god he would be Caesar Augustus!

[Fiery Phoenix]

In no particular order:
> Albert Einstein
> Isaac Newton
> Isaac Asimov
> Carl Sagan
> Abū Rayḥān al-Bīrūnī
> Michio Kaku
> Stephen Hawking
> Abraham Lincoln
> Bill Clinton
> Bruce Lee

Then again, there have been a lot of truly inspiring people throughout.

[Eternal Phoenix]

1: Jesus.

Nuff said.

[KenKenpachi]

Turnip Root wrote...
1.Joseph Stalin(God)

Сталин не говорит никакой Гулаг для вас!

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

In no particular order:
> Albert Einstein
> Isaac Newton
> Isaac Asimov
> Carl Sagan
> Abū Rayḥān al-Bīrūnī
> Michio Kaku
> Stephen Hawking
> Abraham Lincoln
> Bill Clinton
> Bruce Lee

Then again, there have been a lot of truly inspiring people throughout.

Mostly Scientific (Physics, Mathematics) and I also like the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th and last persons in your list

[Kronner]

Nikola Tesla is number 1 for me, easily.

After that it gets pretty hard (for me) to compare for example scientists, politicians, soldiers, writers etc.

[KenKenpachi]

makalathbonagin wrote...

1. Hitler... wha?

 

<< >>

[Chuvvy]

Attila the Hun
Pol Pot
Kim Jong Il
Jack the ripper
Ratko Mladic
General Buttnaked
Mao Ze-Dong
Leopold II of Belgium
Adolf Hitler
Jozef Stalin

Nikola Tesla is cool too.

[slimgrin]

Elton John is dead wrote...

1: Jesus.

Nuff said.

Pfft. He's in my list of the worst 10.

1. Da Vinci. One of the greatest minds ever to grace a human, even if he did dawdle.

2. Michelangelo. No lack of talent in Italy at the time, and he was the most talented.

3. Harold Hardradda. Read about this Viking, an amazing life he led. Gigantic balls and audacity.

4. Isaac Newton. Smartest scientist ever.

5. Peter Paul Rubens. My favorite artist, a true renniassance man.

6. Alexander the great. Shaped the course of western civilization.

7. Socrates. Helped lay the groundwork for philosophy 

8. Plato. Math and philosophy

9. Whoever wrote the Illiad and Odyssey. I don't think it was one person.

10. Richard Dawkins. No he's not a genius, but he'll be remembered for being one of the few intellectuals of our time to take a firm stance against religious dogma. He's basically led the way.



Edit - this could have been a cool thread, but douches just had to post Hitler to get it locked. Thanks a lot.

Modifié par slimgrin, 18 juin 2011 - 08:29 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

My list is dominated by scientists, as I'm  a science geek, and history of science is the history I love best.

1. Charles Darwin (Biology, Geology, Developmental psychology - the quintesential scientist, best known for being the first to explain and persuasively argue for a physical mechanism by which life diversifies into an unlimited variety of species, form initially simple forms. The theory of evolution has of course evolved since the time of Darwin, but still forms the core of what is known as the modern synthesis, with most of his insights having received confirmation, and overwhelming evidentiary support since the idea was first proposed. As a total biology geek, he's pretty much my scientific hero.)

2. Galileo Galilei (Natural philosopher, mathematician and astronomer - one of the founders and key early proponents of the scientific method, and a member of the first scientifc society.)

3. Isaac Newton (For his groundbreaking work in physics, and invention of Calculus - though it should be mentioned that Leibniz independently came up with the same mathematical ideas at the same time. Not a likeable character at all, but undeniably brilliant.)

4. David Hume (One of my favorite philospher, an empiricist and enlightenment thinker. In his "Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion" he quite robustly challenges the argument from design, at a time before Darwin, and thus without a benefit of being able to account for the appearance of design. It is a brilliant read, one that I highly recommend.)

5. Roobert Hooke (Newton's contemporary, and rival. Newton was not an easy person to get along with, and he could REALLY hold a grudge. Newton published something that had obviously drawn from Hooke's earlier work, without giving proper attribution of credit to Hooke. Hooke was understandably dismayed, and when this objection came to Isaac's ears, he in turn was thoroughly offended. THIS dispute is actually the source of the famous line "If I have seen further, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants", and rather than the humble appreciation of previous scientists that it's often taken to be, it was probably a slight directed at Hooke. You see, Hooke was a diminuative man, with poor constitution and a crooked back - pretty much the opposite of a "giant". What Newton intended was to add insult to injury by giving credit to other, earlier scientists, but slyly excluding Hooke. Something which would not have been missed by the scientific community at the time, aware of the Newton-Hooke dispute. Hooke was a very significant contributor to science, for example, for his work with the study of the microscopic world, and he was the most active member of the Royal Society, but after his death, Newton did his best to erase him from all records, to diminish his imprint on history. THAT is how far Newton could take a grudge.)

6. Albert Einstein (Needs no introduction.)

7. Ada Lovelace (The daughter of the famous poet Lord George Byron. A Brilliant mathematician and a woman working in a male dominated field in the 19th century. She was way ahead of her time, in foreseeing in Charles Babbage's "difference engine", the potential of making a computer that could do everything from making music to creating graphics. For this astonishing insight she's sometimes called "the world's first computer programmer", and the programming language "Ada" was named after her.

8. Richard Feynman (The person of the most recent history, an extraordinary physicist, who's most significant scientific contribution is probably Feynman diagrams, that provided a way for scientists to understand and interpret the very complex behavior of subatomic particles, by translating convoluted mathematical expressions into fairly simple pictorial forms. This is what makes it possible for people to understand subatomic physics, that would go above the heads of 99.999999% of people otherwise. But what he reallly excelled at was explaining scientific concepts at the level of his audience, whatever the level of the audience was, and doing it in an exiting way that conveyed his enthusiasm for science, and allowed his audience to experience some of that beauty. Recommend looking him up on YouTube. Here's an example.)

9. Bertrand Russell (A Philosopher, a profoundly intelligent and multi-tallented man who's curiosity knew no bounds, and a great source of pitthy quotes: "If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing.")

10. Edmond Halley (Astronomer, Newton's contemporary, best known for calculating the orbit of Halley's comet, also was first to show that stars, that were thought to be "fixed" in the sky, had actually moved significantly, by comparing his measurements with those of Ptolemy some 1800 years earlier. He was also a pioneer in attempting to use scientific methods to date ancient monuments - he tried to date the Stonehedge, and altough he got the date wrong, the idea of using science to date things persisted and developed.)

I probably forgot someone, that, on further reflection would have displaced someone else on the list.

[KenKenpachi]

slimgrin wrote...

Crap load of europeans lulz

Edit - this could have been cool thread, but douches just had to post Hitler to get it locked. Thanks a lot.

Your Welcome. (though I'm positive your anti-religious retrothic wouldn't have lead to it being locked too!)

As to mine

in no real order

1. Sun Tzu.
2.Tsuramoto Tashiro
3. Genghis Khan
4.Miyamoto Musashi
5. Admiral Yi Sun-Sin.
6. George Washington.
7. Georgy Zhukov
8. George S Patton Jr.
9.  Werner von Braun
10.  Aristotle.

Honeslty I could name a hell of alot more, some in fact tied with the above, Tesla, several of the first humans in space, General Giap, Cheng Ho, etc. But meh, short list, and yes most of these are Military.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 18 juin 2011 - 07:09 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

My list is boring as it is entirely composed of family members or personal friends. Sure there are alot of people who have made impressive scientific, social or religious advances throughout history but it's impossible to ever say I knew them. They could of been grade A jerks despite their achievements. So I'm not sure I could say I like any famous people. The best things, the most profound things I've learned in life have come from people who never sought fame or stood for a moment in the limelight. Yes, my answer is boring I guess, but it's my answer.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Blast the douches, wussbags and meatbags!
I hope this thread is going on well without the distractions like the guy who posted top 10 murderers.
@Swordfishtrombone, nice list, though Russell is too arrogant in his way.
I wonder if someone really doesn't know 10 great persons in the history, and only knows those like Gengis Khan

[KenKenpachi]

Garbage Master wrote...

Blast the douches, wussbags and meatbags!
I hope this thread is going on well without the distractions like the guy who posted top 10 murderers.
@Swordfishtrombone, nice list, though Russell is too arrogant in his way.
I wonder if someone really doesn't know 10 great persons in the history, and only knows those like Gengis Khan

Pft the means aside, Gengis Khan was an effective ruler and just adminstrator. You just didn't ****** in his cornflakes if you liked being alive...or having a town...or half of a population. And in general when you look at his contemporaries he wasn't nearly as bad when it comes to dealing with other races or conqured people's who didn't resist. In parts of the world he is seen as a hero and in China and Russia is credited with setting about the corse of events that lead to the unification and lasting to the modern era of both nations.

Also note in nearly every battle he was outmanned, and outnumberd and won via superior tactics and technology. And more impressively he did it with a hanful of farmers and barbarians. Also the Yassa which was wrote by him is quite remarkable. Though by modern standards it gave the death pentality in too many events it was rather..."Liberating" and just for its time. It even *Gasped* allowed you to worship whoevers religion you wanted. Even mentioning such things in any other nation at that time was a good way to get killed. Many people think of him as a bloody madman, without looking at the whys and his aims. Sure he wanted to dominate the globe, but it wasn't like the English much later, where such people were to be exploited and be looked at as savages and 2nd class citizens at best.


As to the above killers if you will, one mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist. Mao, and Stalin depending on who you ask were either madmen, or saints. Polpot and Hitler are unquestionablely evil and heavy handed in terms of leaders however. But even they have fallowers and those who admired some of what they did. Adolf Hitler in fact had one who wasn't crazy...well minus about his body building, but in fairness he is an Austrian.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 18 juin 2011 - 07:48 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

Garbage Master wrote...
@Swordfishtrombone, nice list, though Russell is too arrogant in his way.

Thanks!

Though everyone on everyone's list is likely to have some personal flaw - the least likeable person on my list is Isaac Newton, by far. But his contributions to science are undeniable, and his uncompromizing personality served him well in his scientific experiments. Sticking a darning needle under your eyeball, and twisting it around to change the shape of the eyeball and observe the effects, is something not many scientists would be willing to do in the name of science. Though he was completely in the wrong track in as many issues as he was proven right in. He devoted much of his time to alchemy, which of course proved to be nothing but pseudoscience. Still, it's hard to not include Newton on a pretty high position on any list that is science-oriented, as he is a true giant in the field of physics.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

KenKenpachi wrote...


Also note in nearly every battle he was outmanned, and outnumberd and won via superior tactics and technology. And more impressively he did it with a hanful of farmers and barbarians. Also the Yassa which was wrote by him is quite remarkable. Though by modern standards it gave the death pentality in too many events it was rather..."Liberating" and just for its time. It even *Gasped* allowed you to worship whoevers religion you wanted. Even mentioning such things in any other nation at that time was a good way to get killed. Many people think of him as a bloody madman, without looking at the whys and his aims. Sure he wanted to dominate the globe, but it wasn't like the English much later, where such people were to be exploited and be looked at as savages and 2nd class citizens at best.


As to the above killers if you will, one mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist. Mao, and Stalin depending on who you ask were either madmen, or saints. Polpot and Hitler are unquestionablely evil and heavy handed in terms of leaders however. But even they have fallowers and those who admired some of what they did. Adolf Hitler in fact had one who wasn't crazy...well minus about his body building, but in fairness he is an Austrian.

I'm happy that at least Teutons and Mamelukes stopped mongols or we have a world with half of it Mongolian. I really disgust that guy, despite freedom of religion he and his sons killed near 10 million humans. believe it or not, they massacred China and Persia and weakened these countries for several centuries.
Others, as you said.