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[Faust1979]

Did some people just want the same types of characters with the same personalities but different looks? that would be boring for me. The characters are just as good as in past Bioware games, well written with good backgrounds and instead of just one side quest their stories are weaved throughout the game which makes a better experience than just talking to them a few times then do their quest and they are pretty much done. 

[thesilverlinedviking]

I wonder that myself. I actually like the characters. Except Anders. I hate him.

[Faust1979]

thesilverlinedviking wrote...

I wonder that myself. I actually like the characters. Except Anders. I hate him.

I didn't like the character but I like his story arc if that makes sense

[Dormiglione]

You know, everyone has his own likes and dislikes. Myself, i didnt like Fenris.

[lionalio87]

I guess they are very disappointed about the game, so that's why they also forgot all the shining points of the game, including the characters (I like them much, they are better than in the previous game. In DA:O, the NPC companions are somewhat "dull")

[Protodega]

I think it's become the "in" thing to hate on Dragon Age 2. People get so caught up in the things they didn't like in the game that they write everything off, even the stuff that was done better than Origins.

[Faust1979]

lionalio87 wrote...

I guess they are very disappointed about the game, so that's why they also forgot all the shining points of the game, including the characters (I like them much, they are better than in the previous game. In DA:O, the NPC companions are somewhat "dull")

I don't find them dull I like them just as much as the characters in the second game. Varric and Isabella are my favs from the second

[Cyberarmy]

İt is a matter of personel choice. We dont like them, you do..

[Speakeasy13]

I think the new characters are mostly likable except for the idiot that is Sebastian. But upon playing the game twice I realized why the complaints are there.

1) All of them are pretty much irrelevant to the plot. Any of them could've not been with Hawke and the events probably wouldn't have unfolded differently. But then again Hawke him/herself could've not been there and things wouldn't be different. You just couldn't shake the feeling, "why are you here? This whole thing is none of your business." And that seriously undermines their existence.

2) They're likable but pretty one-dimensional. Fenris hates mages, Anders frees mages, and Sebastian is an idiot. And that's pretty much all there is to their character. No amount of Hawke interaction could bring out a different side of their character, let alone change it. In DA:O, Morrigan, Liliana and Alistair could become vastly different characters depending on your choices, and that makes them fascinating.

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 18 juin 2011 - 07:19 .

[Brwarner]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

... In DA:O, Morrigan, Liliana and Alistair could become vastly different characters depending on your choices, and that makes them fascinating.

Agreed. In my playthrough, Morrigan felt really bad about the whole "make a baby, then I leave" plot, because of the romance we had. She almost sounded like she was having trouble going through with it. My friend didn't romance Morrigan, and she was just like "look let's do it." Because of that romantic aspect to it I actually had a really hard time picking that decision, and part of me did it because if I didn't , she'd leave sooner

I think the character's had potential, but they needed to be more fleshed out, and the conversations could have been a lot better. One thing I really miss from DA:O was having those conversations with Allister about anything from life to, well, "licking a flag pole." I felt like I was actually having a conversation, not picking the tone of my response.

[MorrigansLove]

Anders is the worst character in the history of games.

[Faust1979]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Anders is the worst character in the history of games.

you must not have played a lot of games then

[Great_Horn]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Anders is the worst character in the history of games.

Nope, he was gorgeous in DA:A.

[Alex Kershaw]

As somebody who was disappointed with DA2, I admit that the characters are probably the best part of the game. I'll remember every companion character in Dragon Age II in 5 years time easily, and that's an impressive feat.

It's a shame that the characters are perhaps TOO unique in that they come across as one-dimensional. If Anders speaks, you know its to talk about mage rights. If Isabela speaks, well, you know. Dragon Age Origins had an incredible cast and so it will always be in that shadow. The DAO characters all seemed to be multi-layered.

I think the main issue wasn't the companion themselves, but more the lack of being able to talk to companions. I'm not talking about being able to chat anywhere (although that's a decent feature that was removed); I liked being able to walk up to the companions at the camp and talk about a whole host of things. In DA2, it seems very forced; get quest, go to house, interact once or twice with the cutscene, then leave... It felt like instead of taking your own decisions, you were simply choosing a slightly different personality for the main character as the game took you on its linear turn of events. You weren't interacting with the characters, simply watching somebody else have a few short conversations with them.

So while they had potential and are certainly memorable, I think it's a shame that we'll probably never get a game like Origins again because the player voice actor makes it a waste of resources.

[TheTraina]

you are definitely right. i liked most of the characters very much (except fenris, i dont know why, but i dont like him).

i also liked that there are a lot conversations between the companions.

[Huntress]

I like everyone but sebastian..I don't know he seems more of a pansy and his views are even worst then fenris, and to me Fenris has alot more conflicting problems that sebastian will ever have.
I don't want to spoilers but come on.. sebastian is looking through a microscopic if you ask me.

[maxernst]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

I think the new characters are mostly likable except for the idiot that is Sebastian. But upon playing the game twice I realized why the complaints are there.

1) All of them are pretty much irrelevant to the plot. Any of them could've not been with Hawke and the events probably wouldn't have unfolded differently. But then again Hawke him/herself could've not been there and things wouldn't be different. You just couldn't shake the feeling, "why are you here? This whole thing is none of your business." And that seriously undermines their existence.

2) They're likable but pretty one-dimensional. Fenris hates mages, Anders frees mages, and Sebastian is an idiot. And that's pretty much all there is to their character. No amount of Hawke interaction could bring out a different side of their character, let alone change it. In DA:O, Morrigan, Liliana and Alistair could become vastly different characters depending on your choices, and that makes them fascinating.

I actually thought the companions had a lot more to do with the plot than the ones in DA:O.  Other than Alistair, none of the characters in DA:O have anything to do with the main story line, other than Morrigan offering the Dark Ritual at the end.   Whereas Anders actions are pivotal to the 3rd act, Isabela is important to the 2nd act, Bethany/Carver are potentially a significant motivating factors for Hawke's choices in the 3rd act, Varric's personal quest is tied to an object of significance to the main plot, Aveline's position as Captain of the Guard is relevant to a couple of main plot questlines.  I can't speak for Sebastian (but he's a DLC character), but all the other characters except Fenris have clear ties to the main quest lines of either Act 2 or Act 3. If you didn't have the companion characters in DA2, there'd be hardly any game left.

I agree that the characters feel one-dimensional compared to the ones in DA:O, however. It may in part be the fact that you can't have as many conversations with them and the ones you do have tend to be quest-related rather than of the "getting to know you" variety, but some of it is the writer's choice to have some characters (Anders and Fenris are particularly bad) talk obsessively about their issues in a way none of the DA:O characters did. And I really dislike the friendship/rivalry mechanics, in part because much like the paragon/renegade thing in ME, it penalizes players for trying to chart a middle path.

[Lucian820]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Anders is the worst character in the history of games.

And see I think Anders in DA2 is the best character ever in the history of all writing!

DAA Anders was lame and not even one sided

[Recycled Human]

I think they did a great job with the cast! I'm shocked people thought they were one dimensional. At their core Isabella, Fenris and Merrill are very dynamic and by the end of the game it's rather out in the open. Bethany has an extreme swing (carver as well I assume though I haven't bothered with a Mage yet) especially if you take her to the deep roads and she survives. Anders 'may' have an excuse with his being an abomination of vengeance. For what that's worth, but even he shows a 'morrigan-like' amount of breadth if you stay true to him the whole time. By the end he almost sounds remorseful for not telling you. (my first playthrough he remained defiant).

[Chuvvy]

The only character I don't like is Aveline. That said, the only characters I really liked were Varric and Carver (dat conversation where he blames you for Bethanys death and then the end game as a Warden). Anders, Fenris and Merril are all monomaniacal. Isabela, I don't have any complaints but I don't have allot of praise. Aveline just annoyed me. Bethany is basically the same as Isabela (no complaints no praise)

[Uccio]

Characters were good, I just wish the interaction should have been more deep along with the relations.

[Cutlass Jack]

The game featured one of my favorite companions of all time (Isabala) and the only companion I ever purposely killed (Anders). So I think they did pretty good this time around to inspire such a range.

Of them all Fenris was the only one that didn't move me one way or the other. I found him both hard to like and hard to hate.

[Faust1979]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The game featured one of my favorite companions of all time (Isabala) and the only companion I ever purposely killed (Anders). So I think they did pretty good this time around to inspire such a range.

Of them all Fenris was the only one that didn't move me one way or the other. I found him both hard to like and hard to hate.

yeah Isabella is great love having her in my party she strong willed and tough and likes to screw and she is sarcastic she is also nice there is a lot to her character

[Huntress]

I like to have isabela/carver/Merril or isabela/fenris/Aveline lol! Of course beth talking with isabela is just win!.. poor beth! she is sweet.

Any way isabela in the group is just Epic. hehe

[PsychoBlonde]

I ENJOYED all of the NPC's, although I can't say I LIKED all of them.  I haven't ever really warmed to Anders or Merril.  I wasn't a fan of Wynne or Alistair or Morrigan in Origins, either.  Good thing I like playing as a mage.  I found Sebastian and Oghren kind of boring, too, they were both so one-note to me.

I think I like the characters the very best where I can't go 100% one way or the other on their personal problems--and when they also seem to have some definite reasonable perspective of their own.  I adore Sten and Varric.  I like Fenris and Shale, Leliana and Isabela and Aveline.  Anders, Merril, Carver, Morrigan, Alistair, Wynne and Oghren I just was never that concerned with.  Do their quests, keep em happy, don't take 'em with me for the most part.

I don't see that so much has changed, I have pretty much the same reaction to companions in any of Bioware's games.  Some I like, some I'm indifferent to.  Can't think of any I DESPISE.