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[Aaleel]

I didn't like most of the characters. I liked Varric and Isabela. Aveline was good if she was in a party with Isabela, but I found her stale on her own.

Sebastian was alright, and I was indifferent to Bethany.

Couldn't stand Merrill, Andres or Fenris.

[Silverfox4]

I hate the new Anders. Anders in DAO:A was funny and cool. DA2 Anders is a giant p*$$%. For love interests, Isabella is to dirty and skanky and Merrill is too annoying and ugly. Merrill's neck when you two are laying in bed is horrendous. Her model and looks need to be adjusted.

Varric rules, Fenris is ok, I actually enjoyed manwoman Aveline's character.

The only one that sucked in DAO was Wynne. Everyone else was awesome.

[Azzlee]

I bash them for 1 reason and 1 reason only.

"I am Sten of the Beresaad, vanguard of the Qunari peoples"

No character, save maybe Wrex and possibly Garrus come close to the almost godlike epicness of Sten.

[Cornelius119]

The changes to the game was very poorly implemented and that has made people attack every aspect of the game, even the characters and story which really was two very good parts about DA 2. I loved Aveline and Varric particularly, and the whole political fantasy story was great and revitalizing compared to the typical Hero vs. ancient evil setting.

Modifié par Cornelius119, 24 juin 2011 - 12:07 .

[Cornelius119]

the party panter of isabela and aveline was epic!

[DubiousPigeon]

Maybe the whole glowing blue thing going on with Anders and Fenris was a little overdone.
Anders could have still been a troubled rebel mage with a spirit trapped inside him without glowing and **** quite as much as he did. It worked in the Fade though.

Likewise while Fenris' ingame abilities were nice, he'd still be a brooding badass were he not able to tear hearts out. Maybe even moreso, since he'd have to kill people with his hands or an actual weapon. Which isn't to say the lyrium tattoos were the big problem, just the fist thing.

Their situations were genuinely interesting, but a little corny in implimentation.

Despite that, I liked both characters, and the rest of the companions. Except Seb.

[cobretti1818]

I liked Varric, Bethany and Aveline (pretty face mod) - the rest were virtually unlikable to me.
Fenris - royal PITA - get over it
Merril - She was ok I suppose, I romanced her due to lack of other appealing options.
Carver - uggh
Anders - double uggh
Isabella - What an joke of a character she was - we aren't all 12 year old boys who have wet dreams about ****ty pirate ****s. I can imagine the smirk on The Wardens face when he comes face to face with Hawke holding hands with Isabella.

[thedistortedchild]

Compared to Alistair and Zevran, Anders and Fenris felt shallow. The former were fleshed out and still had opinions and morals. The latter had one track minds and felt like fanatics.
Merril was too naive.
Isabella Varric and Aveline all felt like real-ish people(for DA2 anyway).
EDIT: And don't get me started on Sebastion...<_<

Modifié par thedistortedchild, 24 juin 2011 - 05:57 .

[Realmzmaster]

thedistortedchild wrote...

Compared to Alistair and Zevran, Anders and Fenris felt shallow. The former were fleshed out and still had opinions and morals. The latter had one track minds and felt like fanatics.
Merril was too naive.
Isabella Varric and Aveline all felt like real-ish people(for DA2 anyway).

Fenris and Anders are fanatics and yes they had one track minds. Anders was intent on freeing the mages from the oppression he feels they have suffered for ages. Given his experiences he feels justified (no pun intended). Fenris hated mages and magic because of his experiences. Fenris only had one consuming goal that was to kill his former master. Once that was done he was at a loss. What does he do now? He does the same action that any fanatic does he keeps hating even if it is irrational.

Some characters like people are one-dimensional or seem to be.

[csfteeeer]

in your opinion they're just as good.

i'm alright with, by their own standards, Compared to Origins, or any BioWare game, they F'n Suck.

Aveline: mmmm.... yeah, she's alright, she's more unique, but her almost lack of backstory (i said almost) makes her shallow

Anders:F**k You

Bethany: no personality, but she is well written.

Carver:annoying brat, but well written again

Varric:Excluding Isabela, the only one i actually like and care about, decent amount of backstory, good personality

Fenris: Don't Care

Isabella: Excluding Varric, the only one i like

Merrill:Well Written and with decent amount of back story, her personality drives me insane

Sebastian: Don't care

along the many problems with character development in comparison to Origins was the Friendship/rivalry system

in Origins, when you change Alistair or Leliana, at least the game has the decentsy to reflect that, some converstations change, the epilogues change, some times they're approval on certain things change, and the result of some situations change too (Urn of Sacred Ashes and Landsmeet).

in Da2, you have conversation with them, they supposedly change or have an epifamy or something, and then they secretly tell Hawke "hey, let's pretend this never happens", it's like that, everything is so on rails, and it could have been something that affected the epilogue, but no, there is not even an epilogue.

i could go on, but i'm tired, gotta go sleep

Modifié par csfteeeer, 24 juin 2011 - 03:54 .

[thedistortedchild]

Realmzmaster wrote...

thedistortedchild wrote...

Compared to Alistair and Zevran, Anders and Fenris felt shallow. The former were fleshed out and still had opinions and morals. The latter had one track minds and felt like fanatics.
Merril was too naive.
Isabella Varric and Aveline all felt like real-ish people(for DA2 anyway).

Fenris and Anders are fanatics and yes they had one track minds. Anders was intent on freeing the mages from the oppression he feels they have suffered for ages. Given his experiences he feels justified (no pun intended). Fenris hated mages and magic because of his experiences. Fenris only had one consuming goal that was to kill his former master. Once that was done he was at a loss. What does he do now? He does the same action that any fanatic does he keeps hating even if it is irrational.

Some characters like people are one-dimensional or seem to be.

Alistair wanted revenge for the other Grey Wardens. He was also dealing with the fact that he may have to become king. He was not totally consumed by his anger or grief for the entirity of the game. He cracked jokes and talked about other issues. He talked about how he grew up and where he grew up. What the grey wardens were like. What he felt about the other companions. How he felt about your decisions.

Zevran seemed shallow and of only one mind (sex and only sex) but after you spoke to him he told you about mutiple "adventures" he had been on, why he was a Crow, what happened to his parents.

You learned over the course of a game who they were and how they felt about the world events.

With Fenris and Anders you got no explination of who they were that wasn't tie to their hate or anger. They feel like one trick ponies.
TL;DR I could see talking to Alistair and Zevran about anything, beacuse they felt real. However with Anders and Fenris it always comes back to one thing, mages.

Modifié par thedistortedchild, 24 juin 2011 - 06:27 .

[Realmzmaster]

thedistortedchild wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

thedistortedchild wrote...

Compared to Alistair and Zevran, Anders and Fenris felt shallow. The former were fleshed out and still had opinions and morals. The latter had one track minds and felt like fanatics.
Merril was too naive.
Isabella Varric and Aveline all felt like real-ish people(for DA2 anyway).

Fenris and Anders are fanatics and yes they had one track minds. Anders was intent on freeing the mages from the oppression he feels they have suffered for ages. Given his experiences he feels justified (no pun intended). Fenris hated mages and magic because of his experiences. Fenris only had one consuming goal that was to kill his former master. Once that was done he was at a loss. What does he do now? He does the same action that any fanatic does he keeps hating even if it is irrational.

Some characters like people are one-dimensional or seem to be.

Alistair wanted revenge for the other Grey Wardens. He was also dealing with the fact that he may have to become king. He was not totally consumed by his anger or grief for the entirity of the game. He cracked jokes and talked about other issues. He talked about how he grew up and where he grew up. What the grey wardens were like. What he felt about the other companions. How he felt about your decisions.

Zevran seemed shallow and of only one mind (sex and only sex) but after you spoke to him he told you about mutiple "adventures" he had been on, why he was a Crow, what happened to his parents.

You learned over the course of a game who they were and how they felt about the world events.

With Fenris and Anders you got no explination of who they were that wasn't tie to their hate or anger. They feel like one trick ponies.
TL;DR I could see talking to Alistair and Zevran about anything, beacuse they felt real. However with Anders and Fenris it always comes back to one thing, mages.

Exactly, which is why they are called fanatics except if you visit Fenris is his home you do get to see another side of him especially when he talks about his past. But like most fanatics he and Anders have an all consuming passion that absorbs them. Even Anders is not totally fanatical he sets up a clinic to help and heal people. But he hates the Chantry and templars and all they stand for.

Sten in DAO could be called fanatical in his beliefs. He will not go home without his sword. He killed a family over it. On the surface he is more fanatical than Fenris or Anders, but he is not.

[Shadowlit_Rogue]

I didn't mind DA2's party members, but there just wasn't much to them compared to who you had to work with in DA:O. They relied on their archetypes far too often, which annoyed me somewhat, and it didn't help that you aren't able to talk to your party very often. I caught glimpses of what was definitely characterization, but it never went beyond that. Glimpses and flashes of characters that went beyond angst, duty, justice, and stubbornness.

[Aaleel]

Main problem I had with the DA2 party members was that they didn't really change over the seven years. You had no influence and the world had no influence on them, no matter what your relationship with them.

If they were fanatics year one, they were fanatics year seven, not one stitch of change.

Even with all the blood magic and examples of blood magic Merrill sees over 7 years. All the friends warning her for seven years, she STILL fails to see the perils of what she's doing. Seven years of fighting, killing, seeing all kinds of evil. She's still naive, and unaware of how the world works seven years later, HONESTLY.

Also people talk about how Andres changed, what about Merrill?  She was a hard ??? in Origins, and now she's a ditz.  Maybe that's too harsh a word but it was the first one that came to my mind.

Modifié par Aaleel, 24 juin 2011 - 12:43 .

[Chromie]

I miss being able to harden companions like Alistair and Leliana. That really changed them.

[ISI-Society]

Aaleel wrote...

Main problem I had with the DA2 party members was that they didn't really change over the seven years. You had no influence and the world had no influence on them, no matter what your relationship with them.

If they were fanatics year one, they were fanatics year seven, not one stitch of change.

Even with all the blood magic and examples of blood magic Merrill sees over 7 years. All the friends warning her for seven years, she STILL fails to see the perils of what she's doing. Seven years of fighting, killing, seeing all kinds of evil. She's still naive, and unaware of how the world works seven years later, HONESTLY.

Also people talk about how Andres changed, what about Merrill?  She was a hard ??? in Origins, and now she's a ditz.  Maybe that's too harsh a word but it was the first one that came to my mind.

Agreed.

None of the response options provided give any way to alter people from their pre-determined paths.  The denoumont [spoiler witheld] with Anders and the Grand Cleric is absolutely unavoidable, as is the denoumont [spoiler witheld] with Merrill and her clan. As a roleplayer, I resented being locked onto rails like that, and not having a possibility to alter those events.

I was also disappointed, as a male player, being given only 2 hetero romance options ... either a vacuous pirate s**t with little sense of honor or integrity, or a ditzy bloodmage with a fugly facial tatt who's unalterably blind to the inevitable consequences of her own actions.  Neither companion was a satisfying choice for a player with any degree of intelligence, foresight and personal integrity, and both of them unavoidably fail demonic temptation if brought to the fade ... I felt constantly embarassed and uncomfortable to be in an active romance with either character, and I kept wanting to reach through the screen to smack some sense into them.  Both characters seemed like slow-mo train-wrecks to me.  I don't know what the writers were thinking ... I'm supposed to 'fantasize' about these women ?  Feh.  They're not even particularly good 'anti-heroes', because neither accomplishes anything positive. Their sole success is that their combat mechanics work fairly well, and that's pretty much the only good thing I can say about those two.

Modifié par ISI-Society, 24 juin 2011 - 02:03 .

[GiggleLooper]

csfteeeer wrote...

Varric:the only one i actually like and care about, decent amount of backstory, good personality

Isabella: along with Varric, the only one i like

So there are two NPC that were 'the ONLY one you like'? Your stupid. 

[Sidney]

Silverfox4 wrote...

I hate the new Anders. Anders in DAO:A was funny and cool. DA2 Anders is a giant p*$$%. 
Merrill is too annoying and ugly.

Anders personality changed but that's possesion for you, you are just never the same afterwards. He's definately messed up and not the guy he was but I thought that was rather the point.

Merrill isn't ugly by any means. She's distinctly not human but not ugly.

I think Carver was awful but then again he was well designed because he was supposed to be annoying so that worked.

[Il Divo]

Sidney wrote...

Anders personality changed but that's possesion for you, you are just never the same afterwards. He's definately messed up and not the guy he was but I thought that was rather the point.

The problem was not that Anders changed, but rather his personality was altered to the point where I was not even able to recognize him as "Anders". I understand he has become obsessed with Mage justice, through his spirit. But inability to recognize a character I once enjoyed made him very unlikable, imo. 

[gingerbill]

Protodega wrote...

I think it's become the "in" thing to hate on Dragon Age 2. People get so caught up in the things they didn't like in the game that they write everything off, even the stuff that was done better than Origins.

agreed . Da2 wasnt as good as DAO but it did alot of things well , some things very well.

I thought the companions were good , i dont think they excited me as much as origins companions though , i think that was down to the story in chapter 3 rather than the characters themselves. Plus the fact you could not talk to them when you wanted.

Fenris's character annoyed me the most as with his attitude he just wouldnt fit in at all , i would just punch him in the face and tell him to F off. There was just no logical reason he would ever fit in to your party.

Modifié par gingerbill, 24 juin 2011 - 03:26 .

[csfteeeer]

GiggleLooper wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Varric:Excluding Isabela, the only one i actually like and care about, decent amount of backstory, good personality

Isabella:Excluding Varric, the only one i like

So there are two NPC that were 'the ONLY one you like'? Your stupid. 

There, i've fix'd it you little D**k, you happy now?

Modifié par csfteeeer, 24 juin 2011 - 03:55 .

[Realmzmaster]

GiggleLooper wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Varric:the only one i actually like and care about, decent amount of backstory, good personality

Isabella: along with Varric, the only one i like

So there are two NPC that were 'the ONLY one you like'? Your stupid. 

You are not helping the discussion and calling some one stupid because they voiced their opinion is rude.

[Realmzmaster]

Il Divo wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Anders personality changed but that's possesion for you, you are just never the same afterwards. He's definately messed up and not the guy he was but I thought that was rather the point.

The problem was not that Anders changed, but rather his personality was altered to the point where I was not even able to recognize him as "Anders". I understand he has become obsessed with Mage justice, through his spirit. But inability to recognize a character I once enjoyed made him very unlikable, imo. 

He is no longer Anders and that is the point. Anders is now an amalgamation of Anders and Justice. Justice is becoming the dominant personality. The spirit of Justice is not like the spirit that inhabits Wynne. Justice is not always benevolent. Justice is not kind. Even the spirit of Justice is changing into a spirit of Vengenance.
Anders on the surface is meant to be unlikable much like Fenris.

[cloud39472]

i think most of the companions were great the only one i didnt like was fenris i hate that guy , and people say the companions werent involved in the story line. thats wrong because without varric the deep roads expedition would never of happened, without isabella the qunari wouldnt be there because the relic thier looking for isnt there so most companions do matter in the story line.