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[SOLID_EVEREST]

Okay, I've been playing these old computer games for a while now like Grim Fandango, Fallout 1/2, Planescape, and some others, but I just got the entire Baldur's Gate collection off of Amazon.
 
I just wanted to say how much it reminds me of Fallout because you feel so satisfied after killing a pretty tough opponent like Nimbul after just defeating Mulahey. I was just level 2, and I think the game is all about luck like Fallout. I remember doing those caravan runs in Fallout: 2 and killing a crapload of Supermutant Remnants.

I also wanted to say one really big negative mark about this game (I'm trying to do Minsc's quest, but it is hard to get passed the huge army by the bridge in the forest) is the music is pretty freaking terrible. They probably should've just hired Mark Morgan to compose the soundtrack because it is awful so far. Anyways, I love how party members attack each other. I was exploring the mines and my party was already nearing Mulahey when Montarron, Xzar, Jaheira, and Khalid starting killing each other. I just wish the soundtrack was on par with the gameplay. Even though Oblivion wasn't that great, the soundtrack was amazing. I would rank it further down from Fallout and Planescape because the storyline, so far, is too simple. They really needed someone like Chris Avellone to give them some unique thoughts.

One last note, I've never really liked the ruleset. I think they (especially Planescape) should've just gone with something simple like the Fallout S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system.

[Shadow_Leech07]

It's all a matter of taste. I tried out Fallout, Planescape Torment, and Icewind Dale....I think they are all Interplay games. I don't play those games anymore.

[Kevin Lynch]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

One last note, I've never really liked the ruleset. I think they (especially Planescape) should've just gone with something simple like the Fallout S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system.

Hmm. Can't have a D&D game without the D&D rules; it'd have been something else entirely then and wouldn't be the game we've had all these years. Not to mention it wouldn't be the Forgotten Realms, so no Baldur's Gate. That would definitely take the ooomp out of it.

Modifié par Kevin Lynch, 19 juin 2011 - 12:59 .

[Sparky The Barbarian]

I found Planescape Torment a very entertaining and thought provoking game. Having finished it, I've not felt the urge to replay it.

[Matuse]

BG1 has bad music? Erm? Huh? What?

Granted BG2's music is better, but BG1 is hardly bad.

[BelgarathMTH]

One of my favorite game musical pieces ever is the haunting chorale played in the temples of the Friendly Arms Inn and in Nashkel.
I usually stop playing for a minute or two and sing along a few times - great bass line, then trying to pick out the tenor from the alto without breaking any voice leading rules. Of course, I was a music theory geek in college.

The bass is: Eb, Eb-Eb;  Eb, G, Bb;  C, Bb, Ab, G, F, Eb, low Bb-- ;  repeat, add an octave lower, final low Eb.

The melody (soprano) is: Bb, C-Bb;  Bb, high Eb, D; high Eb, D, C, Bb, Ab, G, F---;
                                          Bb, C-Bb;  Bb, high Eb, D; high Eb, high G, Bb, high Eb, C, Bb, low F----,  low Eb----

There's a nice suspension in the tenor on the cadences, but anyway, there's the outer voices for the musically inclined. If anybody wants letter names for the inner voices, let me know.

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 30 juin 2011 - 02:25 .

[SOLID_EVEREST]

So far, I got pretty far in the first game made it to Baldur's Gate and everything, but it's just so dang boring. Talk about a lack of storyline I feel like I'm playing Demon's Souls. Okay, I think I'm going to call it quits on the first game and head straight to number 2 when I get to it. I started re-playing Planescape, Alpha Centauri, and Dungeon Keeper, and I don't think I'll get to number 2 until maybe next year or so. I still have to finish up New Vegas and all the DLCs. Anyways, Baldur's Gate: 1 is just too boring there is no companion interaction, and the storyline just doesn't feel unique like Planescape. Maybe number 2 would be better, but it will be a while until I start it . Even though Dragon Age was even more cliche and typical, I think the companion interaction saved it from me calling it quits. I would put this on the same level as Fallout: 1 on companions and interactions, but at least Fallout: 1 had a very well written storyline. I still hold my ground on the music being terrible. Here's hoping that number 2 is better.

[AnonymousHero]

You could try the BG1 NPC project mod. It adds lots of interaction.

[Cowboy_christo]

Dude you realised that you called the storyline bad when you just reached the part where things finally happen? Albeit BG1 story isnt as good as BG2 i woudnt go as far as saying its bad, expecially w/o even doing the whole thing. And to enjoy BG1 you need to explore, if you followed only the main quest then your missing on A LOT of content.

As for the music, hey well its subjective. You can still turn the music off and play something else in the background lol.

[BelgarathMTH]

This isn't trolling, is it? The OP is being awfully provocative towards a community of people who love the game.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

BelgarathMTH wrote...

This isn't trolling, is it? The OP is being awfully provocative towards a community of people who love the game.

Oh, I guess not thinking the exact same thing as everyone else is considered trolling... Guy, if you don't like my criticisms on this game, then just don't read my posts, but don't say I'm trying to get some rise out of you. Unless you just get aggravated when someone has a different opinion, but I can't help you there, though.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

Dude you realised that you called the storyline bad when you just reached the part where things finally happen? Albeit BG1 story isnt as good as BG2 i woudnt go as far as saying its bad, expecially w/o even doing the whole thing. And to enjoy BG1 you need to explore, if you followed only the main quest then your missing on A LOT of content.

As for the music, hey well its subjective. You can still turn the music off and play something else in the background lol.

I mean I was playing through Baldur's Gate for a while before I called it quits. I didn't just reach the city and put everything down. As for the exploration, yeah, that is the reason why it took me a while to reach Baldur's Gate because I was exploring everything to try and get some armor and jewelry. I even did the Ulcaster School, and several sub quests in the forests. I remember talking to some people from Amn, and it finally hit me the forshadowing on Shadow of Amn, if that part does deals with the invasion of Amn.

Anyways, at Anonymous, I don't play with mods on my first playthrough. I like experiencing the game the way it was intended. I don't even use mods for VtM:B even though I've beat it like 5/6 times.

I guess the one thing that sticks out for me was the fact that companions attack each other, but other than that, this game just didn't immerse me.

[HoonDing]

Baldur's Gate is more a game in the vein of the Goldbox games (which the BioWare docs were great fans of) of old, which were basically the same thing: running around killing things while the story slowly unfolded.

It's the very first BioWare RPG, they only started making storydriven games (and solely focusing on RPGs) with the sequel.

Modifié par virumor, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:32 .

[AnonymousHero]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...
Anyways, at Anonymous, I don't play with mods on my first playthrough. I like experiencing the game the way it was intended. I don't even use mods for VtM:B even though I've beat it like 5/6 times.

That's fine -- I can certainly understand wanting to try a first playthrough without mods, but you were complaining about something that is readily adressed by mods. You might try it, just to see what kind of difference it makes.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

AnonymousHero wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...
Anyways, at Anonymous, I don't play with mods on my first playthrough. I like experiencing the game the way it was intended. I don't even use mods for VtM:B even though I've beat it like 5/6 times.

That's fine -- I can certainly understand wanting to try a first playthrough without mods, but you were complaining about something that is readily adressed by mods. You might try it, just to see what kind of difference it makes.

As I said, I'm not too excited about using mods. I might give it a try before I get on with Baldur's Gate: 2. I guess I just had too high of expectation since I hear about these games so much on here, and knowing BioWare's reputation of storytelling (although I knew it wasn't going to be Fallout/Planescape good). I really hope that Baldur's Gate: 2 is better, though. I am slightly anxious to see what's up with Amn . Well, thanks for the suggestion, Anonymous, I'll see how I feel about it when I get the craving for some more dungeon crawling and "steel on steel."

[devSin]

Yeah, the original is a bit sketchy compared to the sequel. I like BG/TotSC fine, but I think they're different enough that you'll have to judge the sequel on its own.

The music wasn't as... bombastic as it could be, I suppose. But depending on the version you have, you're probably missing about half the tracks that are used in the game. Anyway, the soundtrack for the sequel I think is more pleasant, more varied and on-key. Some tracks you won't like, but I'm sure you won't be disappointed with all of them.

I would rank it further down from Fallout and Planescape because the storyline, so far, is too simple. They really needed someone like Chris Avellone to give them some unique thoughts.

I find this funny because I believe Luke said they had to be given the story (all of their ideas were rejected), which means Black Isle did in fact create the story.

But yeah, I also agree that the BG/TotSC story mostly goes nowhere fast. BG2 should be more engaging, except Chapter 2 is a black hole of content that even the plot can't escape (you just have to sort of set it aside and come back to it later if you want to do all the side questing).

Modifié par devSin, 23 juillet 2011 - 12:31 .

[Krazy Solo]

Not to nit pick or anything, but Fallout 3 and new vegas are Bethesada developed games... BTW who also produces the Elder Scrolls series. Just thought I clarify that before OP starts comparing games etc...

BG1 and BG2 are the popular choice for DandD gamers. Unless you enjoy taking control of every aspect of the game your not going to truelly enjoy them. The storyline is poorly done not because of the story but the lack of emersion via dialog options. Fact the books in game barely give you any lore into the world your playing.

Now BG1 and 2 are excellent games for what they are worth, just lacking the it factor in-game lore wise. I just feel games are better when you can experience the lore of the world in-game rather than reading novels and other out sources.

BG2 is one of my favorite game not the top of list but none the less one of my favorites.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Krazy Solo wrote...

Not to nit pick or anything, but Fallout 3 and new vegas are Bethesada developed games... BTW who also produces the Elder Scrolls series. Just thought I clarify that before OP starts comparing games etc...

BG1 and BG2 are the popular choice for DandD gamers. Unless you enjoy taking control of every aspect of the game your not going to truelly enjoy them. The storyline is poorly done not because of the story but the lack of emersion via dialog options. Fact the books in game barely give you any lore into the world your playing.

Now BG1 and 2 are excellent games for what they are worth, just lacking the it factor in-game lore wise. I just feel games are better when you can experience the lore of the world in-game rather than reading novels and other out sources.

BG2 is one of my favorite game not the top of list but none the less one of my favorites.

New Vegas is an Obsidian developed game, published by Bethesda only. The company contains a pretty good amount of people from Black Isle Studios, Obsidian not Bethesda. I think the only thing I compared was the soundtrack of TES IV: Oblivion with Baldur's Gate, not the gameplay.

Yeah, I agree with you about the lore books. They are on par with the Origins codex with how badly they are developed.

[Krazy Solo]

Regardless who deveoped or made the game is irrelevant to my point... Fallout will never truely comparable to BG visaversa... They share the RPG asspect but they are two different games inside and out.

[Chaseroy]

Too each his own, I guess. I just played BG1 and FO1 both for the first time this year. I've played BG1 to completion 3 times and I have quit FO1 as many times out of total boredom.

I'm with you about mods, though. I think many of the mods people suggest as necessary, like tutu, ruin the experience of the game.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Chaseroy wrote...

Too each his own, I guess. I just played BG1 and FO1 both for the first time this year. I've played BG1 to completion 3 times and I have quit FO1 as many times out of total boredom.

I'm with you about mods, though. I think many of the mods people suggest as necessary, like tutu, ruin the experience of the game.

At the same time, I don't really blame you because I didn't think Fallout: 1 was the best game of the series. Although the storyline was the best of any game I've played, I thought it was just a bit too dull with the lack of variety in companions and areas. I'd say that Fallout: 2 was the best of the series just like a lot of people seem to agree that Baldur's Gate: 2 was the better than the first one.

For some reason, I've never liked the idea of mods. The only time I've really used them was on Fallout: 2, but I thought the restoration's writing was very bad and the new areas even worse.

From looking at the different opinions, I see that Baldur's Gate: 1 was more of a linear hack n' slash than something I was looking for akin to Fallout. I guess I wanted either an awesome storyline or well written companion interaction.

[AnonymousHero]

Chaseroy wrote...
I'm with you about mods, though. I think many of the mods people suggest as necessary, like tutu, ruin the experience of the game.

I can't say I've ever tried BGTutu, but I feel that BGT adds a lot to the game. BGT lets your character move to Athkatla seamlessly and preserves any "changes" (such as dual-classing) you've done to the BG1 NPCs that you meet in BG2. The fact that you can choose, e.g. Sorcerer and complete the whole trilogy as one game is also a huge deal for me.

[Son of Imoen]

The lack of immersion is dealt with in a suberb way by the NPC1-Project, which you can only install on a Tutu or BGT version of BG1, so indeed, BG1 unmodded can add some boredom.