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[Cowboy_christo]

First off, Sovereign attack was a total surprise to the citadel. Saren infiltrated the citadel to disable it from the inside with a geth armada, while sovereign made his way trough with a whole geth fleet simply to go trough citadel's defense which was then closed over him, thankfully the human fleet who knew of their plan followed him trough and bombarded Sovereign while he was trying to activate the citadel relay.

The reaper army do not have the surprise attack advantage anymore nor can they send a commando to cripple the citadel/communication and whatnot. The time it take for them to reach the citadel, everyone army can take as much time if not faster. Soverign was also considered one of the baddest reaper(he ought to be with his job being one of the most important if not the most) so all the other reaper might not be just as strong/tough as him.

Also why attack the single most important place for all the races when you can attack their homeworld and they wont receive reinforcement because all races are preparing to defend their own places.

Modifié par Cowboy_christo, 19 juin 2011 - 02:30 .

[ZLurps]

sevach wrote...

In ME1 they needed Saren to take control of the Citadel and keep it open for Sovereign, before that, they had the keepers doing this job.

I guess if they try a direct strike the council or whomever can order the closing of the wards arms, and the Reapers only option at this point would be to destroy the Citadel which they don't want to.


That's the best i can come up with...

Yep, and since Reapers aren't controlling the Citadel they can't cut of communications through mass relays. As soon as there are signs of Reapers in Sol system, it will be known in Citadel. They would be in heightened state of alert at least, ready to close Citadel arms as soon as there would be any sign of Reapers in Serpent Nebula.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

here's the video of battle of the citadel, it'll be easier now to make a good plan

[ZLurps]

Cowboy_christo wrote...
Also why attack the single most important place for all the races when you can attack their homeworld and they wont receive reinforcement because all races are preparing to defend their own places.

Locking space faring species in their own systems would have many benefits for Reapers. Cutting of communication would prevent joint fleet operations against Reapers by Council races. It would also prevent shared research to develop counter measures for Reaper weapons, shields, indoctrination etc. to mention just a couple.

[BubbleSauce]

isn't the citadel their gateway into the galaxy?

[this isnt my name]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

First off, Sovereign attack was a total surprise to the citadel. Saren infiltrated the citadel to disable it from the inside with a geth armada, while sovereign made his way trough with a whole geth fleet simply to go trough citadel's defense which was then closed over him, thankfully the human fleet who knew of their plan followed him trough and bombarded Sovereign while he was trying to activate the citadel relay.

The reaper army do not have the surprise attack advantage anymore nor can they send a commando to cripple the citadel/communication and whatnot. The time it take for them to reach the citadel, everyone army can take as much time if not faster. Soverign was also considered one of the baddest reaper(he ought to be with his job being one of the most important if not the most) so all the other reaper might not be just as strong/tough as him.

Also why attack the single most important place for all the races when you can attack their homeworld and they wont receive reinforcement because all races are preparing to defend their own places.

That was a stupid thing in ME1, the fleet magically waiting there just for shepard, and joker leaving and coming in the nick of time.

You must have missed the part where there were indoctrinated cerberus agents and bartarians, they likely have others. They could easily send a force into the citadel.

Source ? I havent heared of him somehow being superior, just the vangaurd of the current cycle.

The citadel, yet again, divide and conquor. Stop them moving around, fighting them in groups, etc.

This discussion is irrelevant tbh, they dont go after the citadel, we know this, relays are still open, we see tchunka, the salarian homeworld, earth, the quarian fleet moving above planets. We could prove just how stupid this is, but its already been done, the answer is yet again, you realisticly cant win, so the writers are ruining the reapers to allow you your victory.

[ZLurps]

this isnt my name wrote...

http://t3.gstatic.co...m3IqcrqAysfT2jh

Arms may close, but there is still a hole in the citadel.

Uups.... there was a hole...

Indeed:


Uh... that quantum field thing prevent's entry?

[onelifecrisis]

OP, it's just a plot hole that allows them to market the game better. More people will buy a game that says "save the earth" than a game that says "save the galaxy". Sales >>> plot.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 19 juin 2011 - 03:37 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Malarkey101 wrote...

 I mean the whole reason for the citadel is to have the heads of the major galactic civilisations in the one place, to control the realay network and have records on each species, so surely the reapers would first want to launch an assault there again.

True, but what race has kicked the Reapers' ass twice now?  Humanity.  Where is the vast majority of humanity located?  Earth.  For all the Reapers know there may be more Shepard-like humans out there.  The Reapers have been wiping out life for ever, they're probably complacent when it comes to the Citadel, hell they BUILT the Citadel. 

[Balek-Vriege]

ZLurps wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

http://t3.gstatic.co...m3IqcrqAysfT2jh

Arms may close, but there is still a hole in the citadel.

Uups.... there was a hole...

Indeed:


Uh... that quantum field thing prevent's entry?

Yeah I have always found that weird.  There's a hole while it's open, but it seems completely closed off during the last ME1 mission while climbing Citadel Tower from the outside.  Do the arms fold back or something then close?

[Keedmo]

when Sovereign lands on the citadel tower in me1 I don't remember seeing an opening behind the tower...

[Yakko77]

Those protrusions behind the ring fold back thus closing the Citadel completely. It just wasn't shown really well as the focus was more at the tips of the arms where Sovereign was approaching from.

[ZLurps]

Hmm... protrusions appear to be too small to close that hole, but perhaps it's just a matter of perspective.
Or maybe those who order ME3 Collector's Edition can use N7 patch to put this thing together...

[Yakko77]

ZLurps wrote...

Hmm... protrusions appear to be too small to close that hole, but perhaps it's just a matter of perspective.
Or maybe those who order ME3 Collector's Edition can use N7 patch to put this thing together...

Now that I look at it again, yeah, they do seem too small.  I just assumed as it looked like they were maybe on a hinge or something.  Maybe someone out there has a better image of the rear side of the Citadel to give us a better look.

Modifié par Yakko77, 19 juin 2011 - 05:59 .

[ZLurps]

Maybe there are rectractable extenstions...
Uh, maybe someone could post a picture how the Citadel looks like when it's closed. Otherwise this is beyond ridiculous. 37 million years old beings... fail because they can't find the kilometers wide open backdoor. Good God....

[Ahriman]

^Here we go.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Human reaper, is because 'we' as humans are the greatest threat. fullstop.

The view of the Citadel is to obscure, for a proper analysis of its outer workings.

The entire multi-race fleets now have the "thanix-cannon" so arguing about superior firepower, is now redundant.(not to mention ridiculous)

No doubt we are in for a hell-raising experience, but come on people, this won't be our swan-song, we ARE going to defeat these machines, at all costs, and yes we will suffer great loss, as will our allies, however that will pale in comparison to the DEFEAT of a galactic, multi-million year old, group of spacefaring bullies, who's sole purpose was to control and maintain their galactic superiority.

One final thought, if anybody even mentions a 'suicide pact' again, I'll hunt you down!!!!!!!!!

[Someone With Mass]

So they do close on both sides...

[ZLurps]

Wizz wrote...

^Here we go.

Thank you very much. :-)

[mauro2222]

Attacking the citadel again has no meaning. The only reason why the reapers attack the citadel first is because that station holds all the information of the species, technology and bla bla bla. But if you see 10000 ships coming to you, will you let them have the info while you run?, or you will try to erase all data?

[Omega Torsk]

bushes289 wrote...

Because they're coming from the south and working their way up, they hit the batarians first, then humans, next is the citadel and krogans.

You know, I've never really connected the dots like that! Of course, it would make sense that the Batarians get invaded first (ie: the presence of the Batarian super-husks). And, given the location of the Bahak system and it technically being in "Batarian Space," I would imagine Khar'shan's system being somewhere close by (between the Local Cluster and the borders of dark space). Does this mean Khar'shan got wiped out? Or, like Earth, it is simply in the process of being invaded?

Anyway, back to the topic: No, it wouldn't be very strategic of the Reapers to hit the Citadel first. Since Sovereign's failed invasion, I imagine Widow having higher security (unless the Council is as ignorant as I fear and have dispersed most of their fleets since the Geth, the "real" masterminds of the invasion *scoff*, are no longer a real threat). Although the Citadel is the Reapers' greatest weapon in terms of galactic conquest (ie: the "Master Key" relay that can control every other relay in the galaxy), it can no longer be remotely controlled by them. The Keepers are unable to respond to Reaper signals, the location of the Conduit is known (and obviously heavily guarded seeing as how it's a "back door" into the Citadel) and, because of the protocols introduced by Vigil's OSD, species other than the Keepers are able to override and control the Citadel. Upon entering the Serpent Nebula, the Council will just order the Citadel closed. They'll either have to find another way in or risk destroying the Citadel.

They no longer have the luxury of mystery (which was their greatest weapon); the species in this cycle are aware of their technological capabilities because of Sovereign and the Collector Base (regardless if you destroyed it or not, you still have data EDI downloaded from it), they know about indoctrination (which was useful in every past cycle for creating "infiltrators"), and they are most likely unable to attempt Saren's plan twice (as I mentioned, the Conduit is probably heavily guarded and its guardians would most likely destroy it before allowing the Reapers to utilize it). So yeah, the Reapesr are in for a slow and difficult raid this time 'round (unless of course we stop them)!

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 23 juin 2011 - 07:00 .

[huntrrz]

this isnt my name wrote...

That was a stupid thing in ME1, the fleet magically waiting there just for shepard, and joker leaving and coming in the nick of time.

Not magic, doctrine.  The codex explains that rather than spread units thinly to defend all of Alliance territory, the bulk of the fleet is held in reserve at Arcturus Station so it can respond to any reported incursions.

[vader da slayer]

ZLurps wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

http://t3.gstatic.co...m3IqcrqAysfT2jh

Arms may close, but there is still a hole in the citadel.

Uups.... there was a hole...

Indeed:


Uh... that quantum field thing prevent's entry?

no that light is the systems star. if you look the arm connecting the wards arms to the presidium ring isn't at the end of the wards arm. that "left over" is a plate that flips up to close the back of the station, similar to how there are pieces at the other end of the wards arms to close the "tip" of the station up. in the end it looks like a really long bullet.

[Medhia Nox]

How the Reapers lost the Citadel, by Bioware.

Sovereign: I will take control of the Citadel and call forth my Reaper brothers from the Void to destroy all sentient life! (considers twirling evil handlebar mustache - then realizes he's a robot cuttlefish... or a robot in a cuttlefish... or an alien smoothie, inside a robot, inside a cuttlefish)

Shepard: How about... no?

Sovereign: What did you say dust speck? I am Sovereign - vanguard of your destruction!

Shepard: Yeah, well - while you were monologue-ing I killed your pet Turian and reprogrammed the Citadel.

Sovereign: But I am Sovereign... the vanguard....

Shepard: It's still no...

Sovereign: You're an ass... you know that Shepard? I'm gonna be in so much trouble because of this.

Shepard: Time to die robot cuttlefish... thing.

Sovereign: I'm actually an alien smoothie, inside a rob.... *BOOM*

FIN

[Praetor Knight]

Medhia Nox wrote...

How the Reapers lost the Citadel, by Bioware.

Sovereign: I will take control of the Citadel and call forth my Reaper brothers from the Void to destroy all sentient life! (considers twirling evil handlebar mustache - then realizes he's a robot cuttlefish... or a robot in a cuttlefish... or an alien smoothie, inside a robot, inside a cuttlefish)

Shepard: How about... no?

Sovereign: What did you say dust speck? I am Sovereign - vanguard of your destruction!

Shepard: Yeah, well - while you were monologue-ing I killed your pet Turian and reprogrammed the Citadel.

Sovereign: But I am Sovereign... the vanguard....

Shepard: It's still no...

Sovereign: You're an ass... you know that Shepard? I'm gonna be in so much trouble because of this.

Shepard: Time to die robot cuttlefish... thing.

Sovereign: I'm actually an alien smoothie, inside a rob.... *BOOM*

FIN

Only if Ben Browder voices Shepard, and Anthony Simcoe voices Sovereign