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[TMA LIVE]

One of the many problems I have with ME and ME2, is that you're put in situations where you either let a shady character go, or kill them with no evidences beyond suspicion or personal judgement (dude is a scumbag, and must die). But you're never given an option to arrest them, by either cuffing them and leaving them, breaking their legs and arms, or locking them in a room. I understand in some situations it can't be done, but sometimes there's no excuse. If Thane can lock workers in a room during his recruitment mission, then doing the same for Elnora shouldn't be a problem.

And then there's the times where I actually do want to kill someone, but the game doesn't let me. Example, Jack's loyalty mission. I don't think Aresh would be able to start a new program, but I think he's crazy enough to kidnap kids and do horrible things to them. However, in order to kill him, I either have to order Jack to do it, or motivate her to do it, because "You're a killer Jack". What if I don't want to motivate Jack down that path, but still want something done about Aresh? Why can't I just tell Jack to back off, and then shoot him?

Stuff like this needs to be addressed.

[nitrog100]

It'll never work out. Most of those characters try to kill you and you have to kill them ex. Dr. Saleon.

[Saaziel]

They (The developers) can't really anticipate every form of response to events in the game.

Personally i don't equate the dialogue/reasoning presented as being necessarily what my Shep's believes. If you want Aresh dead , for example, Having Jack or Yourself kill him doesn't really change that particular outcome; He's dead. You might as well imagine that your Shep killed him. That said I'd doubt Jack would have been satisfied by this ,and she might feel responsible or even be remorseful for his death.

I prefer seeing the game as giving you the general idea , the details are up to you.

Modifié par Saaziel, 18 juin 2011 - 11:03 .

[Someone With Mass]

Well, you can't arrest them since you're not a part of the law enforcement on the planet.

[Son of Illusive Man]

I'm pretty sure you can do this at one point in ME2. It does involve breaking their ankles or stomping on their feet, and you can either kill them or say, "he won't have a chance of escaping".

It happens in that mission when you're in a warehouse fighting these two mechs controlled by some guy in a room with a window looking over you, and you eventually sneak around into the door.  He tries to run, but (garrus on my playthrough is all I remember) blocks the other exit. 

Here it is:
http://masseffect.wi....80.99s_Hideout

If you leave him there, it's not mentioned on the wiki, but I'm pretty sure he said something about there being no way out for Fade besides right into the arms of law enforcement

Modifié par Son of Illusive Man, 18 juin 2011 - 11:09 .

[TMA LIVE]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, you can't arrest them since you're not a part of the law enforcement on the planet.

If I'm a Spectre, or simple a guy that wants to prevent a criminal from escaping, but leaving him for the police to grab (batman style), then not being apart of the law shouldn't be a factor.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 18 juin 2011 - 11:21 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mass effect have had a few cases where there should have been an option for either a non-lethal takedown or arrest. Namely with Shiala, Elnora and Fist.

Althrough I am not sure if we are going to deal with such situations that much in ME3.

[Bnol]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, you can't arrest them since you're not a part of the law enforcement on the planet.

If I'm a Spectre, or simple a guy that want to prevent a criminal from escaping, but leaving him for the police to grab (batman style), then being apart of the law shouldn't be a factor.

Spectres aren't law enforcement, further many of the times you do kill someone you are not in a position to be able to take them into custody, so you would rather put your mission on hold to ensure you detain them and then transport them to authorities.  Also, if all you have is suspicion and no really good evidence then law enforcement will have to release them anyways because they won't have any case.  You would likely not be available to testify as you are off saving the galaxy, or in ME2 nobody trusts you.  I mean the more you think about how you would go about it the more absurd it is.

Modifié par Bnol, 18 juin 2011 - 11:20 .

[Davie McG]

TMA LIVE wrote...

One of the many problems I have with ME and ME2, is that you're put in situations where you either let a shady character go, or kill them with no evidences beyond suspicion or personal judgement (dude is a scumbag, and must die). But you're never given an option to arrest them, by either cuffing them and leaving them, breaking their legs and arms, or locking them in a room. I understand in some situations it can't be done, but sometimes there's no excuse. If Thane can lock workers in a room during his recruitment mission, then doing the same for Elnora shouldn't be a problem.

And then there's the times where I actually do want to kill someone, but the game doesn't let me. Example, Jack's loyalty mission. I don't think Aresh would be able to start a new program, but I think he's crazy enough to kidnap kids and do horrible things to them. However, in order to kill him, I either have to order Jack to do it, or motivate her to do it, because "You're a killer Jack". What if I don't want to motivate Jack down that path, but still want something done about Aresh? Why can't I just tell Jack to back off, and then shoot him?

Stuff like this needs to be addressed.

Don't you nuke the building you leave him in ?

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

Agree with this thread. While it is true that there is rarely a chance given in game to arrest/subdue enemies, it would have been a nice option instead of the either or approach. I always thought that stasis would have a perfect measure to arrest an disarm actively hostile individuals.

[Les_Carver]

Good thread OP.
The part about Elnora, Jack and Aresh you mentioned is something you should've been able to have a wider variety of options to act on IMO. I specially liked your point of view about Aresh. Stuff like that should be taken care of, specially now that's the end of the trilogy, we should be able to do more than ever before. In theory.

[TMA LIVE]

Bnol wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, you can't arrest them since you're not a part of the law enforcement on the planet.

If I'm a Spectre, or simple a guy that want to prevent a criminal from escaping, but leaving him for the police to grab (batman style), then being apart of the law shouldn't be a factor.

Spectres aren't law enforcement, further many of the times you do kill someone you are not in a position to be able to take them into custody, so you would rather put your mission on hold to ensure you detain them and then transport them to authorities.  Also, if all you have is suspicion and no really good evidence then law enforcement will have to release them anyways because they won't have any case.  You would likely not be available to testify as you are off saving the galaxy, or in ME2 nobody trusts you.  I mean the more you think about how you would go about it the more absurd it is.

If the guy is possibly a criminal, but I don't want to kill, I'd rather lock him in a room, and continue with my mission, then shoot him dead or let him run free. If said person gets out of jail, it's more of the fault of the law.

If I can arrest Balak in order to stop terrorists, I should be able to do the same if possible. However, you're not given the option majority of the time.

[TMA LIVE]

Davie McG wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

One of the many problems I have with ME and ME2, is that you're put in situations where you either let a shady character go, or kill them with no evidences beyond suspicion or personal judgement (dude is a scumbag, and must die). But you're never given an option to arrest them, by either cuffing them and leaving them, breaking their legs and arms, or locking them in a room. I understand in some situations it can't be done, but sometimes there's no excuse. If Thane can lock workers in a room during his recruitment mission, then doing the same for Elnora shouldn't be a problem.

And then there's the times where I actually do want to kill someone, but the game doesn't let me. Example, Jack's loyalty mission. I don't think Aresh would be able to start a new program, but I think he's crazy enough to kidnap kids and do horrible things to them. However, in order to kill him, I either have to order Jack to do it, or motivate her to do it, because "You're a killer Jack". What if I don't want to motivate Jack down that path, but still want something done about Aresh? Why can't I just tell Jack to back off, and then shoot him?

Stuff like this needs to be addressed.

Don't you nuke the building you leave him in ?

He might have a shuttle to fly off in. He did get to the planet somehow.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

Mass effect have had a few cases where there should have been an option for either a non-lethal takedown or arrest. Namely with Shiala, Elnora and Fist.

Althrough I am not sure if we are going to deal with such situations that much in ME3.

Yeah, Fist and Shiala are another example. I'd love to just shoot Fist's legs, and leave him for either the Shadow Broker, or C-Sec, but instead you either kill him, or let him go (or Wrex simply kills him). With Shiala, you don't know if she'll try anything, or start running in the future. So you either kill her, or trust that she's good. Sure, she claims she'll stay on Feron, and try to redeem herself, but you can't threaten her about it, saying "But I'll be keeping tabs on his colony. And if you leave for no reason, then I'm coming after you."

[Bnol]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bnol wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, you can't arrest them since you're not a part of the law enforcement on the planet.

If I'm a Spectre, or simple a guy that want to prevent a criminal from escaping, but leaving him for the police to grab (batman style), then being apart of the law shouldn't be a factor.

Spectres aren't law enforcement, further many of the times you do kill someone you are not in a position to be able to take them into custody, so you would rather put your mission on hold to ensure you detain them and then transport them to authorities.  Also, if all you have is suspicion and no really good evidence then law enforcement will have to release them anyways because they won't have any case.  You would likely not be available to testify as you are off saving the galaxy, or in ME2 nobody trusts you.  I mean the more you think about how you would go about it the more absurd it is.

If the guy is possibly a criminal, but I don't want to kill, I'd rather lock him in a room, and continue with my mission, then shoot him dead or let him run free. If said person gets out of jail, it's more of the fault of the law.

If I can arrest Balak in order to stop terrorists, I should be able to do the same if possible. However, you're not given the option majority of the time.

Sure, one of the potential outcomes for the arrest be you fail the mission for wasting time.  I am fine with that.  Or maybe the place blows up and he dies anyways, or potentially you can't come back and he starves to death.  You don't always have the option to do everything you want to do.  They thus condense the options a bit in this game so that there are not a ton of different variable to deal with.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mass effect have had a few cases where there should have been an option for either a non-lethal takedown or arrest. Namely with Shiala, Elnora and Fist.

Althrough I am not sure if we are going to deal with such situations that much in ME3.

Yeah, Fist and Shiala are another example. I'd love to just shoot Fist's legs, and leave him for either the Shadow Broker, or C-Sec, but instead you either kill him, or let him go (or Wrex simply kills him). With Shiala, you don't know if she'll try anything, or start running in the future. So you either kill her, or trust that she's good. Sure, she claims she'll stay on Feron, and try to redeem herself, but you can't threaten her about it, saying "But I'll be keeping tabs on his colony. And if you leave for no reason, then I'm coming after you."

Regarding Shiala. I was thinking more in the lines of "Haul her onboard the Normandy. Throw her off at the Citadel and let C-sec deal with her in hopes of getting more information and to later stand trial.

[TMA LIVE]

Bnol wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bnol wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, you can't arrest them since you're not a part of the law enforcement on the planet.

If I'm a Spectre, or simple a guy that want to prevent a criminal from escaping, but leaving him for the police to grab (batman style), then being apart of the law shouldn't be a factor.

Spectres aren't law enforcement, further many of the times you do kill someone you are not in a position to be able to take them into custody, so you would rather put your mission on hold to ensure you detain them and then transport them to authorities.  Also, if all you have is suspicion and no really good evidence then law enforcement will have to release them anyways because they won't have any case.  You would likely not be available to testify as you are off saving the galaxy, or in ME2 nobody trusts you.  I mean the more you think about how you would go about it the more absurd it is.

If the guy is possibly a criminal, but I don't want to kill, I'd rather lock him in a room, and continue with my mission, then shoot him dead or let him run free. If said person gets out of jail, it's more of the fault of the law.

If I can arrest Balak in order to stop terrorists, I should be able to do the same if possible. However, you're not given the option majority of the time.

Sure, one of the potential outcomes for the arrest be you fail the mission for wasting time.  I am fine with that.  Or maybe the place blows up and he dies anyways, or potentially you can't come back and he starves to death.  You don't always have the option to do everything you want to do.  They thus condense the options a bit in this game so that there are not a ton of different variable to deal with.

If I got the time to stop, chat, and kill someone, but no time to punch someone in the face, and lock them in a room instead of killing them, then time isn't an issue. If time is, like with Virmire, then that's different. The place is going to blow up. Not every situation is like that. Starving wise, that's only if Shepard doesn't report after 3 or 4 days, or a week if he/she doesn't have water. The fact of the matter is, not every situation should be treated as "Kill or let go".

[Niddy']

Because you have no real choice.

[Xeranx]

Niddy' wrote...

Because you have no real choice.

Which is very unfortunate.  I think it'll happen someday though.  Hopefully within the next 10 years.

@OP: 5 stars for the topic.  I don't want binary "choices" anymore. 

[Uszi]

Lizardviking wrote...

Mass effect have had a few cases where there should have been an option for either a non-lethal takedown or arrest. Namely with Shiala, Elnora and Fist.

Althrough I am not sure if we are going to deal with such situations that much in ME3.

Shiala you do... let go?

Elnora deserved it, since she was a psychopath who delighted in killing the volus, and she pulls a gun on you anyway.

Fist deserved it, because he's a murderous crime lord.

I felt no moral ambiguity executing either of them.  Even as a paragon.

Modifié par Uszi, 19 juin 2011 - 01:08 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Actually OP you can arrest one scum bag Jacob's dad the para option is to arrest him the neutral option is to let him rot on that world (which I love!). But that's it Fist, Nixerus's sister, ect I really think fist could've been a third option. Though if I meet Billy I don't want to rearrest him I want to kill him but a few more third options when dealing with some criminals would be good.