rapscallioness wrote...
Well, I don't think the VS believed Shep was "resurrected" by Cerberus. And it's alot to believe. When Shep said it all the LI heard was Cerberus. No response to the outrageous, yet true, statement that indeed Shep was dead the past 2 years. No.."what do you mean, resurrected?" Just straight ot "you're w/ Cerberus?"
So, if the LI doesn't really believe you were dead after all, then it looks like Shep went off w/ Cerberus from the get go. That's the key, the belief or disbelief about Shep being brought back from the dead. The LI doesn't believe that crap..and I can't blame them. Although it still stung to be called a traitor and liar by the main one I was trolling around to find.
I will grant you that the resurrection is a bit hard to digest. From a medical perspective, there is a hell of a lot of damage to repair. Ice crystals destroy cellular structure, major bones shattered indicating massive trauma to the body, internal organs shredded by concussive forces and ice formation, water vapor boiled out of blood, I can't even imagine it all and to cap it all off, they would not only have to rebuild the primary biological systems, but would have to re-initiate the organic processes within those systems before degradation occurred. Plus the 4 billion credit price tag seems a bit...low.
So if Ashley found this hard to believe, I don't blame her. However, if Shepard never lied to her before to compromise his integrity, why should she disbelieve him on Horizon? I don't think that she would unless she no longer trusts him because she would rather believe the rumors about him than to believe the man she claims to have loved and who never lied to her before. In short, Shepard's death may be a hard sell, but to buy the rumors over the man's word just doesn't make any sense unless there is something else going on behind the scenes.
iacus - I agree with you, but after Freedom's Progress how could Shepard allow more colonists to vanish? He knew that something bad was going on and that the Collectors were definitely a human enemy and that the Council and the Alliance were doing little or nothing about it. Shepard even asks TIM about the Reaper connection, but TIM just tells him that it is there buried in the data.
I can't really see a valid reason for Williams' anger, other than one of the scenarios I have posted on this thread. Something that would set up a cognitive dissonance within her own mind and would be strong enough to force her mind from reason. That means that the emotions generated from such a dissonance would have to be powerful. So whatever it is eating Ashley, has got to be huge. This could include a 15 month old toddler fathered by Shepard for LI's, or perhaps she is indoctrinated and merely doing what the Reapers tell her to do. Either that or she really is bonkers. I am hoping that the ones responsible for creating her storyline recognize this and account for it.
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Okay...you are now officially in speculation territory. As you have stated, there is not one scrap of proof to confirm your opinion, except that it could be possible. @why has spent a considerable amount of time and energy trashing my posts that do the same thing. So...pot? Meet kettle.
I seriously don't get this forum sometimes.
The gold digger post was intended to make the point that something big was going on with Ashley and that is why she weirded out on Horizon. That is also why I also acknowledged that it was speculation within the same post. However, speculation can reveal some interesting things when it is combined with deductive reasoning.
Let's take TIM for example. We know for a fact that he is covert, not above using others for nefarious purposes and has no problem with sacrificing children for the greater good (On Pragia, the staff stated in communications that there would be hell to pay if TIM discovered what they were doing with children. It was also stated that he would be OK with it if they succeeded. The events regarding Dr. Archer's brother confirm that success is far more important than dead and tortured children to TIM), is manipulative, and has contacts in most governments, the Alliance, and in the criminal world. Further, we know that he lured the Collectors to Horizon because he baited a trap with Ashley Williams.
So, what can we infer from this? That rumors started by TIM isolated Shepard from his routine contacts and friends. That the rumors also scared the hell out of Williams because they explicitly stated that Shepard was working for Cerberus. Therefore, we have a burning desire created in Ashley to find out if the rumors are in fact, true. This could then become a motivation for her to inject herself into Cerberus investigation with the intent of finding out.
TIM would have been aware of the Alliance's attempt to arm colonists against an unknown enemy by installing defenses at outlying colonies. TIM insured that Horizon would be one such colony where such defenses were installed and also insured that Williams would be there to oversee the installation and to investigate Cerberus activity in the region. He leaked the fact that she was there to the Collectors because he wanted to solidify Shepard's resolve (to save Ashley and the colonists) and to see how fast the Collectors would take the bait. Ashley's fate is irrelevant to TIM's larger schemes though I suspect that he would rather she went with the Collectors aboard their vessel in order to give Shepard added incentive to tear into them.
TIM knew that he also would have to disable the defense turrets on Horizon in order to allow the Collectors to approach. He did this for a couple of reasons. First, he needed to know how effective Shepard would be when matched against the Collectors. Secondly, he needed to acquire proof regarding the Reaper connection. Third, he needed to know if Mordin had in fact succeeded in creating a method of avoiding the detection of the Reaper swarms.
The losses of colonists, Alliance personnel, and even Shepard himself were all acceptable losses to him. To these ends he would have had an agent on Horizon with whom he could coordinate these things and to monitor Williams. We will likely never know who that agent was, but I suspect that Delann was used as an unwitting pawn in the Cerberus mission. All that would need to happen is for the Cerberus agent to press his Alliance buttons and Williams would be made to look like an idiot because she couldn't figure out the targeting malfunction. I say that Delann did this for two reasons. First, he never recognized that the colony was in any danger so he would have no qualms about toying with the defenses. Secondly, he would have viewed Ashley's frustrations as a means of needling the Alliance and as a private joke. The benefit to the Cerberus operative would have been that he would have had a cut out between himself and his objective of disabling the Colony defenses. Any heat that gets placed on Delann for fooling with the defense turrets gives him a warning and he runs or takes matters into his own hands, but he has a heads up either way.
About 80 percent of what is written above is speculation. But, if the premises are true then any extension of that premise is also likely to be true. Is it certain that DeLann disabled the defense turrets? No, but it is probable based upon the established premises on TIM's method of operating. He's covert, he manipulates and sacrifices others, he uses agents to work his will in the galaxy, and most importantly he has already admitted to luring the Collectors to Horizon by using Williams as bait. Like a line of dominoes falling one after the other, the scenario fits. Confidence can be high as to the likelihood of the assertions.
This is not true of the "Ashley is a gold digger" scenario and frankly, I never intended it to be. Hopefully, this helps you out.
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or ****-blocking Shepard? <_<
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