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[Xarathox]

Nay. I nuked her back on Virmire, primarily due to metagaming needs.

The weekend I picked up my copy of ME2 I replayed ME1 to brush up on all the events, and to make sure I had indeed made all the decisions I wanted to carry over. Unfortunately, I accidentally triggered a romance with Ashley even though I intended to remain single...so instead of dropping the break-up "bomb" on her, I dropped the real thing on her to "delete her on the way to real errors".

Modifié par Xarathox, 23 juillet 2011 - 03:09 .

[young fox]

Xarathox wrote...

Nay. I nuked her back on Virmire, primarily due to metagaming needs.

 Unfortunately, I accidentally triggered a romance with Ashley even though I intended to remain single...so instead of dropping the break-up "bomb" on her, I dropped the real thing on her to "delete her on the way to real errors".

Are you me? I just did the exact same thing when I was doing my "perfect-ME3-import" Shepard a couple of weeks ago, haha.

Felt good.

[Made Nightwing]

@knightblu. Now that sort of speculation sounds logical.

[Xarathox]

su66otnik wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Nay. I nuked her back on Virmire, primarily due to metagaming needs.

 Unfortunately, I accidentally triggered a romance with Ashley even though I intended to remain single...so instead of dropping the break-up "bomb" on her, I dropped the real thing on her to "delete her on the way to real errors".

Are you me? I just did the exact same thing when I was doing my "perfect-ME3-import" Shepard a couple of weeks ago, haha.

Felt good.

Only if you broke your singledom code and romanced Tali, after later discovering that was an option.

[Made Nightwing]

Xarathox wrote...

su66otnik wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Nay. I nuked her back on Virmire, primarily due to metagaming needs.

 Unfortunately, I accidentally triggered a romance with Ashley even though I intended to remain single...so instead of dropping the break-up "bomb" on her, I dropped the real thing on her to "delete her on the way to real errors".

Are you me? I just did the exact same thing when I was doing my "perfect-ME3-import" Shepard a couple of weeks ago, haha.

Felt good.

Only if you broke your singledom code and romanced Tali, after later discovering that was an option.

Romance a chicken in a bucket No thanks, I'll stick to a real woman like Ash. Well, as real as you can get in a video game anyway

[Xarathox]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

su66otnik wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Nay. I nuked her back on Virmire, primarily due to metagaming needs.

 Unfortunately, I accidentally triggered a romance with Ashley even though I intended to remain single...so instead of dropping the break-up "bomb" on her, I dropped the real thing on her to "delete her on the way to real errors".

Are you me? I just did the exact same thing when I was doing my "perfect-ME3-import" Shepard a couple of weeks ago, haha.

Felt good.

Only if you broke your singledom code and romanced Tali, after later discovering that was an option.

Romance a chicken in a bucket No thanks, I'll stick to a real woman like Ash. Well, as real as you can get in a video game anyway

My shep is basically Solid Snake in space. Tali is basically Meryl Silverberg in space. Especially so, since her personality is almost completely parallel to Meryl's in MGS1.

[ubermensch007]

knightnblu wrote...You know, I hate to say it, but Ashley does seem like a gold digger doesn't she?

Yeah, I did kind of notice a "greedy gleam" in Ashley's eyes when she spoke to Commander Shepard about how she had never met anyone who was awarded a (whatever that medal he won is) But nothing wrong with one aspiring to greatness.Its how you get there that matters....

lacecraft wrote... When you draw conclusions about Ashley, don't forget that she's got a twin - Kaidan. Try to apply your conclusions to him, since he behaves in the exact way she does. Would you call him a gold digger, as well?

That's a fair point Lace, but in point o0f fact; I kind of view what Kaidan said to me on Horizon as a much lower blow than Ashley gave me.Ashley is my love interest.Ashley is my woman.That she got emtional and beligerant towards me, under the circumstances.To some extent I can understand.And besides, I think Ashley is really sexy even when she's angry. So while I was really taken aback by what she said, I was also kind of turned on as well...Okay that last bit might have been TMI...

Now Lieutenat Kaidan Alenko on the the other hand.Was a friend, a comrade a "Brother in Arms" to me.So when he had the gall to get in my face and say "You betrayed everything that we stood for." That sh!t cut deep... I also felt that Ash was mostly just being 'reactionary' where as with Kai, there seemed to be more thought involved in what he said to me.Like he already had in his mind what he would say if we ever crossed paths again and the rumors of my return turned out to be true.

So no, I would not call Kaidan a gold digger (and I'm not saying that Ashley is.).I call him a git... And a prat.And a self-righteous, jumping to conclusions, gulity until proven innocent believing MUTHAF*CKER...

lacecraft wrote...Also, Anderson's in love with Kahlee Sanders. She's his new close associate, who took Shepard's place as Anderson's comrade in arms when he goes to hunt for Cerberus - just like old times. I just thought I'd point it out.

Ah, but here is where you just add more fuel to the fire...Shepard, Anderson and the Council

Shepard: "Forget Udina and the Council.Join my crew and help me stop the Collector's.

Anderson: I'm to old to go racing across the galaxy.As much as I complain.I have an important job here.The front-line -- that's got to be yours.

Hmm... "vis-a-vis"  How come this is?

Modifié par ubermensch007, 23 juillet 2011 - 04:38 .

[Made Nightwing]

I think that gleam in her eye was just her fangirling over Shepard.

[ubermensch007]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

su66otnik wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Nay. I nuked her back on Virmire, primarily due to metagaming needs.

 Unfortunately, I accidentally triggered a romance with Ashley even though I intended to remain single...so instead of dropping the break-up "bomb" on her, I dropped the real thing on her to "delete her on the way to real errors".

Are you me? I just did the exact same thing when I was doing my "perfect-ME3-import" Shepard a couple of weeks ago, haha.

Felt good.

Only if you broke your singledom code and romanced Tali, after later discovering that was an option.

Romance a chicken in a bucket  No thanks, I'll stick to a real woman like Ash. Well, as real as you can get in a video game anyway

I like chicken...

[knightnblu]

The reason why Williams' behavior bothers me on Horizon is that it does not make sense. Some people have argued "of course she would call Shepard a traitor, he is one to her." But that argument does not make sense either, because it describes her reaction to Shepard's perceived treason and not how she arrived at that conclusion in the first place. This is important because she starts off angry with Shepard before he has even seen him. That means something.

Unfortunately, this is where speculation comes into play because now we have to figure out why she is angry before she has even been reunited with Shepard. First, there are the rumors planted by TIM. TIM intended to cut Shepard off from his friends and allies in order to separate him from his previous associations. TIM could only have done this by undermining the trust of these associations so that his former allies would view him with suspicion. This means that any pleas for help, requests for information, and offers by Shepard to assist, would be viewed with a jaundiced eye. This is why the letter written by Siansonea II on page 15 of the "Restoring Trust with the VS" thread would not have worked to establish trust between Shepard, the Alliance, and the Council. The well had already been poisoned by TIM before Shepard even left for Freedom's Progress and most likely, before he was even awakened by Miranda.

What this means is that there is nothing that Shepard could say that would re-establish that trust easily because everything he said would have been viewed with suspicion. This means that TIM used Shepard like he uses any other asset. He has no concern about Shepard's needs as a person or as a leader unless that need could potentially compromise the mission that TIM has him on. Therefore, TIM insured that he had total control over as many of the variables as he could to insure that Shepard stayed loyal to Cerberus regardless of his personal desires. If you recall, Miranda has admitted that TIM's personal involvement in a mission was rare. Yet TIM kept a tight watch on Shepard. If anything, TIM is a pragmatist and could potentially teach Machiavelli a trick or two.

The VS's mind was poisoned right along with the rest of Shepard's allies, including Anderson and Hackett. While it is apparent that Anderson took a wait and see approach to the rumors, he nevertheless partitioned Shepard off from classified information to insure security. This means that even Anderson could no longer trust Shepard completely.

Therefore, I am confident that the trust of the VS had been successfully compromised before they ever arrived on Horizon. But if Alenko or Williams were an LI of Shepard's, then the question becomes one of why did their trust turn so easily?

One presumes that love engenders a special kind of trust. One not so easily broken as friendship or the allegiance to a cause. It also implies that there is a fundamental understanding between intimates. So in order to understand why Williams no longer trusted Shepard, you have to understand how that trust could be broken.

It is here that Williams/Alenko's reaction fails to make sense. Of all of Shepard's crewmen and associates, they would have known Shepard the best. Alenko comes across as a thinker and Williams has her grandfather's experience as an example of what can happen when you don't assess a situation reasonably. Yet, the VS doesn't seem to think things through. While some have blamed this on Shepard's lack of eloquence on Horizon, I don't see how anyone could hold him responsible for the VS's failure to even attempt to resolve the conflict between the rumors and their personal knowledge of Shepard, unless they believe in him being guilty before being proven innocent with the burden of proof being Shepard's. This is why I have held that something larger must be going on behind the scenes to bring the VS to that conclusion.

If the VS is a reasonable person of sound mental capacity and not under the influence of intoxicants, then that is the only reasonable explanation for their behavior. Additionally, I don't subscribe to the "she was ordered to do it/mission secrecy" argument either. Would you harm someone you loved in order to accommodate the wishes of your employer? To keep something terrible from happening to them such as death, yes. But anything less than that, no. Further, the operational secrecy part of that argument fails as well because Ashley admits that she was there investigating Cerberus (and you) and this is backed up by Anderson if you call him on it at the Citadel. This leaves Ashley's defenders bereft of any viable argument for her defense.

I can think of a number of reasons that the VS's trust could be compromised. Character flaw, indoctrination, another lover who now holds that trust, and the list goes on. I don't think that indoctrination is likely given the tepid apology tendered after Horizon, but that still leaves all of the others. Regardless, there is substantial reason to reconsider your relationship with Ashley based on her behavior on Horizon. Unless, of course, there is something bigger going on that we don't know.

[Sshodan]

@ ubermensch007
You do have a point about Ash and Kaidan - Ash always came across as a passioned woman with a teamer boiling under the surface, as much as I was surprised by her behavior in case of Horizon, I can see her overreacting, I doubt that she'd make a 180 turn around but I can imagine her becoming a bit more reasonable and willing to listen after having some time to cool of.
Kaidan on the other hand always cam across as someone who thinks firs and acts later, not someone who will react impulsively or say something he may not entirely mean or regret later, so him calling Shep a traitor sounded much more final.

[sg1fan75]

I went with Tali 'Zorah nar Rayya on 1 , and stayed true to Ash on another.

Modifié par sg1fan75, 24 juillet 2011 - 03:37 .

[Sshodan]

This topic (a very interesting read btw) got me thinking - how would I try to dig my self out of that pit if I was a writer for ME3. I did arrive at the scenery that would make me want to talk further with Ash. I don't think it'll work for Kaidan as well, since he has a different personality, but with Ash I can see that.
Show the player what was happening during out 2 years absence (comic or cinematic does not matter).
1. Right after Normandy is destroyed a shocked and grieving Ash is back at the Alliance HQ for debriefing, she is separated form the rest of non human crew her explanations about "big flying rock with lasers" that destroyed the Normandy met with quiet distrust and she can see that people are starting to arrive at conclusion that the Normandy was destroyed by the Geth and it's mostly Jokers fault - a pilot error that allowed them to get close enough without being noticed. Her version of the story is attributed to grief and attempt to help Joker.
2. After Joker is grounded and the debriefings are over Ash is trying to find out what happened to Sheps body, her efforts are met with polite requests to wait and no information, at last she gets an audience with one of Alliance admirals, and he explains to her that he does want to find Sheps body, but the Alliance is not yet ready to officially admit that Shep is dead, for political reasons, not until human position on the council is completely secure, and Alliance can't go and search for the body of someone they are not yet officially consider dead. He does promises Ash that they are keeping the sector secure, and no one is going to disturb neither Shep nor the remains of Normandy until they are ready to officially start the retrieval. He firmly orders Ash to wait and be quiet.
Ash if extremely upset about all thous politics, and maybe even gives the Admiral an earful about how Shep is a hero and deserves to be treated as one, but is forced to back of. Not long after she receives a short, critic note form Liara that is not very informative but lets Ash know that Liara is "taking care of their friend", Ash is still furious with Alliance command but gains some measure of patience.
3. Anderson approaches Ash to talk about the Reapers - after Sheps death everyone gladly forgets about them and goes back to ignoring the treat, Anderson does not believe that the treat is over and thinks that they need to continue what Shep started. That when the time comes humanity will need a leader with a plan, and since Ash was there from start to finish she is the only one qualified to take up Shepsards legacy.
Ash resists explaining that she if not Shep, that she has no idea how he managed half the things he did, that she does not have Sheps charisma, or training, or connections, and she has not idea what to do, but Anderson pushes saying that he wishes that Shep was alive, but he isn't and Ash is the best that humanity has, quite possibly their only chance of survival.
There is no one to take the torch so Ash has to, and she does the best she can, even thou th pressure is killing her, she constantly fears to make a mistake and fail everyone.
4. Ash starts investigating the resplendence of the colonies after Anderson gives her the initial info, of course she hardly believes that some mythical "collectors" are behind it - no one even so one, they are the pirate tails form Terminus system, but every time she gets closer following the trails she encounters Cerberus agents, they claim in what reports she manages to intercept and dialogs she manages to overhear, that they are investigating the disappearances as well, but Ash does not buy it, she knows Cerberus, it's probably them who kidnap thous people for some kind of experiments, or even to build an army or something. She although thinks that this some way is connected to Cerberus largest, and most highly guarded project - Lazarus, and that are strange rumors about Shepard bing involved in it.
5. Anderson learns that Shep is alive and kicking, but he is unsure weather Shep is actually Shepard or some kind of clone cooked up by Cerberus. He is wary and decides no to share the information with Ash until he has a chance to find out more - Ash is under enough pressure as it is trying of fill Shepards shoes, having to deal with some kind of crazed Shepard clone may be too much for her, so Anderson decides to protect her and investigate Shep on his own, he although cautions Ash form punting to much hope in rumors. He believes that Cerberus is involved with the colonies disappearing as well.
6. Anderson and Ash monitor Cerberus and conclude that Horizon would be the nest target, Anderson even manages to persuade the alliance that the colony needs defense and to sends Ash to make sure it's protected. He coroutines Ash that the "Shepard clone" can show up and remains her that she has to be strong, that the fate of the humanity may very well depend on her straight and resolve.
7. Bu the time of her assignment to Horizon Ash becomes to "fry around the edges" - Anderson keeps putting the "fate of humanity" in her hands, and she knows he is right - the Reapers are coming, but she is no closer to figuring out what to do about them than she was 2 years ago, everything that Shep done that looked so effortless when he did it takes the last of her strength out of her - no one believes her, no one wants to help, Sheps allays have no desire to follow her, Liara is busy with something she does not want to share, Tali and Garrus despaired and she can't contact them, Joker dropped of the radar entirely. The galaxy has no desire to see her as the "new Shepard" that they can rail around, even Anderson hides things form her, and she feels like she is stumbling in the dark and there is an abyss nearby...
The Horizon colonists do not see her as any kind of savior or hero, the only thing they want her to do is shut up and go away - much like the rest of humanity at this point. She tries to save them but they refuse to even believe the treat exists. Ash does her best to remain patient and keep them safe... And than the "space pirate legends" hit.
Not only the damn collectors are real, but they are right on top of the unprotected colony, a colony that Ash had to secure weak ago. She is cot in the attack, palisaded and helpless and all she can do is lay there, look at the people she had to save and think. Think about how she did not even see the treat all this time, how she is supposed to "save the humanity" if she is stupid enough to miss something this huge... And a second time around, this is Eden Prime all over again!
And than the main gun, the one she could not get to work for weak starts firing, and the stasis field disappears.
8. Ash stumbles to the center of the colony truing to figure out what is happening and there he is - Shepard. Alive and acting like his usual self - doping out of nowhere to save people from the treat they did not even believe was there, casual and calm like it's something he does every day... And he has a ship, companions and a Cerberus logo on his uniform.
Is he really Shepard, or is Anderson right and this is some kind of clone? If it is him than why did he not contact her? Or does he even need her - there he obviously has a team, and she is not on it. How did he know about the attack? How did he manage to get the damn gun on like so fast? And why no one told her that she may be not "the only hope of humanity" Ash would have been overjoyed to give up that torch, to simply be a soldier, and do what she does best...
She manages to great him calmly, but that's when it all breaks through - the frustration of endless lies and omissions, guilt at all her mistakes - if she only got the damn gun on line it time! Uncertainty and to much pressure for all detections. She snaps and rages at him because at that moment blaming Shepard for everything - for dying, for living her along to deal with his "legacy", for not being convincing enough about the reapers, and most of all for not needing her by his side, and doing just fine without her when she can't seams to make a step without him.
In the end she stormed of even more confused, goes behind the nearest block and does something she never allowed herself to do in all two years - cries. And listens to Shep calling Normandy, the new Normandy, and Joker, who obviously knew but never told her. Shep is busy, he has a world to save and impossible to make happen, what is one crying failure of a woman to him?
9. Anderson does not allow Ash to just walk away - he explains that they can't be sure that Shep is really himself, and that it's not some kind of Cerberus operation, he tells her about Miranda - a ruthless Cerberus scientist and cold blooded operative who is traveling with Shep and watches his every step. And Shepard does not seam to mind. Anderson persuades her that she has to stay strong and be ready to play her role. And that he managed to talk the Council in to appointing her to be a Specter. Ash objects saying that she does not want to get a promotion by stepping on her commanders corps, but Anderson insists, telling her that in case Shep proves to be not who he seams to the humanity will need her, ans she will do the job better if she has the resources of a Specter, and reluctantly Ash agrees with him again.
But instead of truing to invent a non existent way to defeat the enemy she knows noting about Ash uses her new status to investigate Shepard and his activities and the more she learns the more she believes that he is what he seams to be, despite the Cerberus involvement it's clearly Sheps operation. She watches the records, sees the results, talks to people that had contact with him and with relief realizes that humanity has Shep beck, weather they believe it or not.
10. Until Shep goes on trail. For Ash is' the Normandy destruction all over again - no one believes in reapers, no one believes her or Shep, but she knows they are real, and this time around she knows that Shepard is real as well, and if he did what he did he had a damn good reason. Yet he does not trust her, and she can hardly blame him - whatever he went through to come back form the dead was probably much worth than Ash's last two years. She tries to talk to people, soften them up but it is in vane...
And than the Reapers finally arrive. In the panic around Ash makes a decision - instead of trying to "save the earth" something that she, with her track record, is unlikely to do anyway she uses her Specter status to get on board of Normandy and get Joker there as well, she has no permission to take the ship, but in overall panic and confusion it's not that hard, simply showing her Specter status in everyones face works.
11. They pick up Shep and Anderson and something like the following dialog ensures:
Shep: Williams. *courteous nod*
Ash: Commander *nod back*
Shep: Thank you for picking us up. I gather you received the command of Normandy?
Ash: Nope, I stole it.
Shep: I see. So do you mind me asking where re we going?
Ash: It's up to you, sir.
Shep: I'm not your CO Williams.
Ash: Nor formally, no. But I know when I'm in over my head Shepard, the last two years I was truing to fight this fight, to jump hiher than my head, to find a way to stop this all from happeing and you know what? I'm exactly where I started. Because this is not me, not what I do and not what I am - I'm a soldier, not a savior, or investigator, or a politician or some kind of a grate leader - I follow orders, and I'm damn good at it, and if you have me commander I would like to follow yours.
Shep: After our last meeting I was under the impression you do not trust me.
Ash: I never stopped trusting you. I was not sure that you are actually you Sheppard, but I had time to check my facts - even if you are not him you are so damn close that I can't tell the deference... Well you get what I mean... So commander, do you have a use for another soldier?

Something along this lines. Just thought I'd share the idea for the entertainment value if nothing else

[Iconic_N7]

Nope. I was hoping their meeting on virmire would way better. But she chose the alliance over my shep so he took the hint. Meanwhile miranda was "interested." And she chose my shep over her organization cerberus. So thats his new main squeeze... for now.

[Iconic_N7]

Oops not virmire... you guys know the colony I'm talking about in ME2.

[Iakus]

knightnblu wrote...
It is here that Williams/Alenko's reaction fails to make sense. Of all of Shepard's crewmen and associates, they would have known Shepard the best. Alenko comes across as a thinker and Williams has her grandfather's experience as an example of what can happen when you don't assess a situation reasonably. Yet, the VS doesn't seem to think things through. While some have blamed this on Shepard's lack of eloquence on Horizon, I don't see how anyone could hold him responsible for the VS's failure to even attempt to resolve the conflict between the rumors and their personal knowledge of Shepard, unless they believe in him being guilty before being proven innocent with the burden of proof being Shepard's. This is why I have held that something larger must be going on behind the scenes to bring the VS to that conclusion.

If the VS is a reasonable person of sound mental capacity and not under the influence of intoxicants, then that is the only reasonable explanation for their behavior. Additionally, I don't subscribe to the "she was ordered to do it/mission secrecy" argument either. Would you harm someone you loved in order to accommodate the wishes of your employer? To keep something terrible from happening to them such as death, yes. But anything less than that, no. Further, the operational secrecy part of that argument fails as well because Ashley admits that she was there investigating Cerberus (and you) and this is backed up by Anderson if you call him on it at the Citadel. This leaves Ashley's defenders bereft of any viable argument for her defense.

I can think of a number of reasons that the VS's trust could be compromised. Character flaw, indoctrination, another lover who now holds that trust, and the list goes on. I don't think that indoctrination is likely given the tepid apology tendered after Horizon, but that still leaves all of the others. Regardless, there is substantial reason to reconsider your relationship with Ashley based on her behavior on Horizon. Unless, of course, there is something bigger going on that we don't know.

And if it were only made clearer why they were so unwilling to trust Shepard, it would be easier to swallow.  If something was hanging over their head, or some really dark rumors circulating about Shepard, one could so it as forshadowing about things to come in ME3.  But we have nothing.  I can only hope that this was simply an oversight, that there was always A Plan in the works. And it wasn't a major overplaying of a scene.

[knightnblu]

Sshodan - I like your fanfic, but a stronger apology would be in order, I think ;-)

iacus - I think that you're right, but it would appear that subtle hints have been dropped. We get the idea that greater machinations are underway from comments by TIM, comments by our friends/LI's, our treatment by the Alliance and Council, and with the Shadow Broker Dossiers. I think that it is so deeply submerged because TIM has made sure that Shepard stays unaware of most of it. If not, his machinations would fail because Shepard would be actively working against them and thereby weakening Cerberus controls. As TIM has once remarked, information is his weapon and I believe that he was bragging about how he hemmed up Shepard indirectly when he said it.

[Made Nightwing]

@Sshodan. It is not often that a post manages to completely defeat the arguments of every naysayer in a thread, you did exactly that.

[rapscallioness]

@Sshodan. I enjoyed reading that. I was intimidated at first because of the length, but I enjoyed it very much. Thnx

[Xarathox]

knightnblu wrote...

*snip*

I can think of a number of reasons that the VS's trust could be compromised. Character flaw, indoctrination, another lover who now holds that trust, and the list goes on. I don't think that indoctrination is likely given the tepid apology tendered after Horizon, but that still leaves all of the others. Regardless, there is substantial reason to reconsider your relationship with Ashley based on her behavior on Horizon. Unless, of course, there is something bigger going on that we don't know.

The one argument I've yet to see being brought forth in these debates is a pretty significant oversight. The effect of loss.

Losing someone that you hold above all others can affect a very dramatic change in some. This is something I'm very well aware of, since it happened to me after the death of my best friend 11 years ago. My entire world view change in that instant, not just because of his passing, but how it came about. After that I lost faith in people and changed how I looked at others, even my own family, due to his being the ones to drive him to take his own life.

Ash's behavior to me, now that I look back on it, seems to support my assumption that her anger stems from Shepards death. She could be angery at Shepard himself, as it's observed in others to display similar feelings to a lossed loved one, or she could be angry at the circumstances surrounding his death. Her demenor may very well just be a projection of that anger at the moment she sees a man who is supposed to be dead. The same man she's probably still mourning.

That's just my 2 cents on it.

[ubermensch007]

Sshodan, what you wrote from Ashley's perspective would give me strong reason to want to interact with her again myself; if not for one thing, that she said...

Ashley: "I'm not who I was then, and neither are you."

Second Lieutenant Ashley Williams... Of the former I concur, about the latter; I disagree.

This is what breaks my heart the most.This is what I'm still trying to come to grips with.It seems to me, that Shepard did not lose his life in the Collector attack on the Normandy SR-1.Ashley did! The woman I fell for - The woman who gave me an idea of what Adam himself must have felt like when God brought Eve to him.Who is this person? What is she? Are we the same? (What I mean by that is this.As Eve was created by God.Ashley was created by BioWare - A virtual being who can make you forget that this is what she is.)

This woman, who at one time,didn't miss an opportunity to bash the Alliance every chance she got.(In Mass Effect 1) Has turned into the Alliance biggest "CHEERLEADER"   It is no wonder that she sort of looks like Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3, b/c Miri was once a Cerberus Cheerleader.Ashley is now the Alliance version of this.For all you say Sshodan in your well - written Fanfic.Nothing there explains the Ashley we meet on Horizon.Or the Post- Horizon's  Ashley's email to Shepard...

Subject: Hey there.



Shepard-



I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. When I lost you two years
ago, it tore me up. I prayed for you every day. I read a lot of
Tennyson, thinking about you, just like I did when my dad passed. And
then you came back, and it was like my prayers were answered. But I'm
not who I was then, and neither are you.



I don't know what's true anymore. Part of me can't believe it's really
you. I keep going back to that night before Ilos, our night... I haven't
let myself think about those memories in over a year.



I wouldn't have expected you to work for Cerberus, but I know why they
sent you to Horizon. I saw how many people were lost there, and if
anyone can stop the Collectors, you can. I can't go where you're going,
but I can wish you luck.



Just stay alive out there... Skipper. I don't know what the future holds, but I can't lose you a second time.



--Ash



Death closes all: but something ere the end

Some work of noble note, may yet be done,

Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.

What the Hell does she mean that she doesn't know what's true anymore?!

And...
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?! "Wish Me Luck!?!  You wish me luck Ash? Does anyone else think Ash saying,"I can't go where your going, but I can wish you luck."  Sounds kind of like SpongBob Squarepants, when he just says,"GOOD "LUCK" WITH THAT." <_<

http://t1.gstatic.co...BFg5aswCsRMdEeA

Modifié par ubermensch007, 25 juillet 2011 - 06:50 .

[Made Nightwing]

No. Kinda sounds like she's gotta mission of her own *coughBatarianOrbitalMirrorcough* and she's wishing you luck.

[Sshodan]

@knightnblu - well I figured it's better left for the scene a bit later, when they are away form earth and immediate danger. The issue of who is in command heeds to be resolved right away, but Ash explaining what was happening to her and saying sorry for loosing it, and maybe asking what happened to Shep is better done in a quieter moment
The slow healing to the point where a player may want to pick up the romance again needs to be done across several dialogs, with Ash sharing her story, her emotions and her fears, and how she came to overcome them.
My attempt was at creating the situation where it is actually possible and and a player who was unhappy with her would actually want to talk

@ Made Nightwing
My goal was to come up with something that would satisfy people who have an issue with Horizon, without "letting it slide" or being appalling to thous who do not have issues with Ash. I hope that this shows that it is possible - Bioware writers are much more professional than I am, so I'm sure they can come up with something even better

@rapscallioness
I'm glad you did! Sorry for the length, I did try to make is as short as I could

@ ubermensch007
I'd asume that that letter is the result of her doubting that Shepard is really Shepard, but yet wanting to believe he is, and afraid to do so at the same time - because if he isn't really him "loosing" him again would kill her. Yes she is not the same woman anymore - she is tired, disillusioned, breaking under all that responsibility and not knowing whom to trust and what to believe in. Anderson tells her one thing, Alliance command another, her own investigations come up with yet a third version of truth...
Until she finds more and more proof that Shepard in fact is what he seams to be - a bit more battered, a bit more tired, but still himself. And Ash always believed in Shep, so for her, him actually coming back will be a reason to start healing, and maybe becoming the Ashly he knew again.

[knightnblu]

As much as I hate to say it, it looks like Shepard is getting a new theme song for ME3 with Williams as his continued LI and it is this:


youtu.be/eeWjzBHUdsI



Lyrics included for sing along, enjoy!
 
"Well I guess I should speak up for myself, but I really think it's better this way. The more you suffer, the more it shows you really care. Right? Yeah!" The Offspring
 
If this isn't included as an Easter Egg in ME3, BioWare will have missed one heck of an opportunity.

[Kaiser_Wilhelm]

Yes she is. Kaidan got nuked a long time ago.