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[Garrison2009]

Ash has always been my Shepard's girl, and always will be, no matter what she thinks of him or what happens in ME3 and beyond.

[Made Nightwing]

Quole wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ashley is dead.

Heads up, Quole the Troll has returned.

the real troll is clearly you. I suggest you leave now and save yourself the embarassment.

You my friend, are the DEFINITION of troll. In the Dictionary, you will find a picture of you, with the troll face and the words 'U Jelly?'

[BeGodlyBeLynn]

I can totally get how some people are kind of...cut up so to speak about the whole Horizon ideal, but c'mon. You've gotta be realistic. If your significant other died, swept under the rug for two entire years, and then returned at a time when you were rattled, scared, and confused to say that they were in cahoots with a human terrorist organization which he may or may not have slaughtered scores of, then...I don't think your reunion would be happy and fluffy. I, for one, would completely fly off the handle and go into denial. So yes, my M!Shep will still have Ashley if she'll take him.

[Quole]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Quole wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ashley is dead.

Heads up, Quole the Troll has returned.

the real troll is clearly you. I suggest you leave now and save yourself the embarassment.

You my friend, are the DEFINITION of troll. In the Dictionary, you will find a picture of you, with the troll face and the words 'U Jelly?'

You are only proving how much of a  troll you are. I have never done anything that could even be considered trolling. I merely contribute to discussions.

[knightnblu]

BeGodlyBeLynn wrote...

I can totally get how some people are kind of...cut up so to speak about the whole Horizon ideal, but c'mon. You've gotta be realistic. If your significant other died, swept under the rug for two entire years, and then returned at a time when you were rattled, scared, and confused to say that they were in cahoots with a human terrorist organization which he may or may not have slaughtered scores of, then...I don't think your reunion would be happy and fluffy. I, for one, would completely fly off the handle and go into denial. So yes, my M!Shep will still have Ashley if she'll take him.

Let's take your example and follow it to it's logical conclusion. If your loved one had died two years ago, and then you are suddenly hit by rumors that that person is alive and now working with terrorists, I can see being in denial. Your first thought would be no, that has to be wrong. I know so and so and he would never do that. It isn't in his character.
 
You then see your loved one alive on Horizon and learn that he actually is working for terrorists. Most people would want an explanation. Where have you been? What happened to you? Didn't you die? How did you end up working for terrorists? Did you change? Did I ever really know you? Many questions, but few answers because Williams never asks these questions. She just accuses Shepard of betrayal and leaves. This is the woman who claims to have loved you? My point being that she gave up on Shepard way too easily.
 
Williams is a combat veteran, NCO, and has experienced the loss of her unit in the Geth attack at the beginning of ME. A woman who is calm under fire and can work a battlefield to lethal effect. Yet, this same woman loses her mind when she sees Shepard and never seeks any kind of explanation for how all of this happened? I don't buy it.
 
There is either something much more serious going on or Ashley has issues. Now, if in the back of Ashley's mind she is wondering how she is going to explain this to her 15 month old kid or current lover, I can understand the disconnect. Barring something along those lines, her judgment is way off kilter and that makes her a wild card.
 
Make no mistake, there is something going on with Ashley. Either that or she needs meds.

[Repearized Miranda]

"Make no mistake, there is something going on with Ashley. Either that or she needs meds."

That might be WHY she needs meds!

And folks deem it wrong to have a "Shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. IA though, there may be more to her blowing up then we think. An apology won't "sweep it under the rug" necessarily. It's one thing to needn't explain, but another to do the above

[The Tookah]

Unless BW has seriously altered Ashley's personality, my Shepards, two of them still want her back.

[Melra]

She's never been my Shepard's girl, never will be as long as it means losing Kaidan. She's nice character, but I prefer Miri as LI anyhow, so there's not much going for her in my book.

[BatmanPWNS]

Nope, she got fired at Horizon.

[CheeseEnchilada]

I understand why she reacted as she did at Horizon and don't hold it against her, but my MaleShep has moved on to Jack. Switching back would be a veeery bad idea.

[DonutsDealer]

I can't really understand her on Horizon. Ok, those rumours were pretty bad for Shepard but at least she should have asked for an explanation, not called him terrorist and traitor so fast. She even said she moved on and so did my Shepard. He is actually with Tali and feels nothing about her.
I also would like to see an argument between Ash and the new Shep's LI:
-Ash: you stole Shepard from me.
-Tali: I have a shotgun.
Would be really fun

[ashlover mark 2]

always has been always will be.

[Varus Praetor]

Ashley was my LI in ME1, but I dropped her for Miranda in no time. As far as I'm concerned she could have become as easy to make as a PBJ sandwich and it's no biggie for me. Particularly after our interaction on Horizon.

[knightnblu]

Something tells me that Horizon is an issue that needs dealing with in ME3. There are a ton of people who are not happy with Ashley's actions there and for good reason I say.

[SNJ]

On one playthrough, i have her romanced and stayed faithful.

On another, i have her romanced, and also romanced Miri.

On the rest, i romanced Miri.

[enayasoul]

my maleshep moved on... he's hurt by what Ashley said. He's with Miranda now.

my other playthrough he stayed faithful

my other maleshep with Liara...(still working on finishing) 

Modifié par enayasoul, 09 juillet 2011 - 10:28 .

[tomas2377]

My MShep is faithfull to Ashley no matter what happens.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I can't believe Ashley called me a traitor to the Alliance when all I did was work for their enemy.

Seriously though, I'm quite certain that Ashley still has feelings for Shepard and if he pursues her she won't have too many problems getting back together. I don't really see anything to indicate she has a new significant other.

knightnblu wrote...

You then see your loved one alive on Horizon and learn that he actually is working for terrorists. Most people would want an explanation. Where have you been? What happened to you? Didn't you die? How did you end up working for terrorists? Did you change? Did I ever really know you? Many questions, but few answers because Williams never asks these questions. She just accuses Shepard of betrayal and leaves. This is the woman who claims to have loved you? My point being that she gave up on Shepard way too easily..

She does ask those questions. Shepard doesn't really do anything to answer them other than saying he wants to investigate the colony disappearances.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 09 juillet 2011 - 11:25 .

[Repearized Miranda]

^ That and well, Shepard didn't have a lot of time to answer Ashley's queries (we didn't pick the neutral responses to get Shep talking, but I doubt that would have helped) After the "You're a traitor" comment - and you know she thought or she wouldn't said it otherwise - why bother asking questions because I'm damn sure Shepard wasn't going to answer them anyway.

That's the major downside of "Shoot first, ask questions later" mentality.

[knightnblu]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
 
I can't believe Ashley called me a traitor to the Alliance when all I did was work for their enemy.
 
Seriously though, I'm quite certain that Ashley still has feelings for Shepard and if he pursues her she won't have too many problems getting back together. I don't really see anything to indicate she has a new significant other.
 

knightnblu wrote...
 
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She does ask those questions. Shepard doesn't really do anything to answer them other than saying he wants to investigate the colony disappearances.

 
Shepard may be working for the enemy, but he is also left with no choice in the matter. Sure, he could have told TIM to go to hell, but what is he going to do then? Go back to the Alliance that believes that he went AWOL and wants to interrogate him for the next six months if he is cooperative to find out why he has become a terrorist (Shadow Broker dossier)? Go back to the Council who steadfastly refused to do anything about what is transpiring in the Terminus (Council meeting)? Tell me, what should he have done? Who is going to save the colonists if he doesn't?
 
I have no problem with those calling for us to consider poor Ashley's side, but I have heard nothing from these same people calling for understanding of Shepard's position. To me, that's a bit one sided. When Williams calls Shep a traitor he replies, "You know me Ash, you know that I would never do this unless it was for the right reasons." Ash blows him off and leaves saying that she knows where her loyalties belong implying that Shepard is full of it.
 
That is exactly what happened to dear old grandpa Williams when the Alliance recovered Shanxi. They didn't want to hear any explanations they just took and shackled him and brought him back to Earth in chains for Court Martial. Funny how Ashley was all upset about that injustice, but then turns around and does the exact same thing to Shepard when she finds herself in the position of the Alliance and Shepard in her grandfather's position.
 
In fact, Ashley had even convicted him of treason before she even opened her mouth. When she greets Shepard and embraces him, Shep says that she sounds angry. She is angry because she has already convicted him of treason in her mind. If it was such a terrible thing to do to grandpa, why is it right to do it to the man she says that she loved? Based on what evidence? Rumors? She never even gives Shepard the opportunity to present a defense. Also, notice the tense that she places her feelings in. Loved, not love. Past tense not present. Why? Does she no longer feel that way? If so, why?
 
Maybe she loves her career more, or maybe she really did put Shepard firmly in the past and move on, or maybe she lost her mind. I don't know. What I do know is that everybody who supports her never seems to address any of the arguments that I raise. From I need to understand where Ashley is coming from to I need to be more patient, to I need to apologize for doing such mental damage to poor Ashley, but never do they address the issue or Shepard's feelings and position. It's like Ashley gets an automatic free pass for her bad behavior. I liked Ashley to, I was really looking forward to being reunited with her in ME2, but that didn't happen. Now she is a wild card in ME3 and I don't really have any idea who she is going to be in that game. Will she be a rival? Will she follow the orders of somebody she considers a traitor?
 
That's why I really would rather give her to Hackett if he still lives and be done with her because I don't need the personal drama that a wild card would bring. In short, I no longer trust her because she has proven that she no longer trusts me and I doubt that she ever really knew Shepard. Life has taught me that once trust is breached, it can never be the same again. There are always consequences arising from such events and given the dire nature of things, I don't need the hassle. I respect her as a person and as a solider, but I don't want her on my ship or anywhere near it.

[ashlover mark 2]

knightnblu wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
 
I can't believe Ashley called me a traitor to the Alliance when all I did was work for their enemy.
 
Seriously though, I'm quite certain that Ashley still has feelings for Shepard and if he pursues her she won't have too many problems getting back together. I don't really see anything to indicate she has a new significant other.
 

knightnblu wrote...
 
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She does ask those questions. Shepard doesn't really do anything to answer them other than saying he wants to investigate the colony disappearances.

 
Shepard may be working for the enemy, but he is also left with no choice in the matter. Sure, he could have told TIM to go to hell, but what is he going to do then? Go back to the Alliance that believes that he went AWOL and wants to interrogate him for the next six months if he is cooperative to find out why he has become a terrorist (Shadow Broker dossier)? Go back to the Council who steadfastly refused to do anything about what is transpiring in the Terminus (Council meeting)? Tell me, what should he have done? Who is going to save the colonists if he doesn't?
 
I have no problem with those calling for us to consider poor Ashley's side, but I have heard nothing from these same people calling for understanding of Shepard's position. To me, that's a bit one sided. When Williams calls Shep a traitor he replies, "You know me Ash, you know that I would never do this unless it was for the right reasons." Ash blows him off and leaves saying that she knows where her loyalties belong implying that Shepard is full of it.
 
That is exactly what happened to dear old grandpa Williams when the Alliance recovered Shanxi. They didn't want to hear any explanations they just took and shackled him and brought him back to Earth in chains for Court Martial. Funny how Ashley was all upset about that injustice, but then turns around and does the exact same thing to Shepard when she finds herself in the position of the Alliance and Shepard in her grandfather's position.
 
In fact, Ashley had even convicted him of treason before she even opened her mouth. When she greets Shepard and embraces him, Shep says that she sounds angry. She is angry because she has already convicted him of treason in her mind. If it was such a terrible thing to do to grandpa, why is it right to do it to the man she says that she loved? Based on what evidence? Rumors? She never even gives Shepard the opportunity to present a defense. Also, notice the tense that she places her feelings in. Loved, not love. Past tense not present. Why? Does she no longer feel that way? If so, why?
 
Maybe she loves her career more, or maybe she really did put Shepard firmly in the past and move on, or maybe she lost her mind. I don't know. What I do know is that everybody who supports her never seems to address any of the arguments that I raise. From I need to understand where Ashley is coming from to I need to be more patient, to I need to apologize for doing such mental damage to poor Ashley, but never do they address the issue or Shepard's feelings and position. It's like Ashley gets an automatic free pass for her bad behavior. I liked Ashley to, I was really looking forward to being reunited with her in ME2, but that didn't happen. Now she is a wild card in ME3 and I don't really have any idea who she is going to be in that game. Will she be a rival? Will she follow the orders of somebody she considers a traitor?
 
That's why I really would rather give her to Hackett if he still lives and be done with her because I don't need the personal drama that a wild card would bring. In short, I no longer trust her because she has proven that she no longer trusts me and I doubt that she ever really knew Shepard. Life has taught me that once trust is breached, it can never be the same again. There are always consequences arising from such events and given the dire nature of things, I don't need the hassle. I respect her as a person and as a solider, but I don't want her on my ship or anywhere near it.

1.shes upset because shepard shows up and trys to act like nothing has happned,thats why shes angry right off the bat.she kindve says that.

2.you say ash dosent trust shepard anymore.....dude she apologizes for what she said on horizon.she was emotional.when your really upset with someone you love and your emotional state is off the charts you say things you regret later.it happens ALOT in real relationships.shepard may have been forced into working with cerberus (the game dosent sell me on this by the way) and i dont know if ash knows that shep dosent have much choice,but she wishs him luck and tells him to stay safe and that she cant lose him again.

yea you only get that email if you romanced her.if you didnt then all the horizon scene in ME2 was an old comrade in arms yelling at you,if thats the case then who cares.it wouldnt have botherd me if i didnt romance kaidan and instead experinced horizon with him.

but if you did romance her and got her letter it should have shown you that what she said to you wasnt really how she felt and she didnt really feel betrayed.she was just upset and confused in the moment.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 10 juillet 2011 - 10:51 .

[knightnblu]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...
 

knightnblu wrote...
 

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
 
I can't believe Ashley called me a traitor to the Alliance when all I did was work for their enemy.
 
Seriously though, I'm quite certain that Ashley still has feelings for Shepard and if he pursues her she won't have too many problems getting back together. I don't really see anything to indicate she has a new significant other.
 

knightnblu wrote...
 
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She does ask those questions. Shepard doesn't really do anything to answer them other than saying he wants to investigate the colony disappearances.

 
Shepard may be working for the enemy, but he is also left with no choice in the matter.
 
*** massive cut to save space ***
 
That's why I really would rather give her to Hackett if he still lives and be done with her because I don't need the personal drama that a wild card would bring. In short, I no longer trust her because she has proven that she no longer trusts me and I doubt that she ever really knew Shepard. Life has taught me that once trust is breached, it can never be the same again. There are always consequences arising from such events and given the dire nature of things, I don't need the hassle. I respect her as a person and as a solider, but I don't want her on my ship or anywhere near it.

 
1.shes upset because shepard shows up and trys to act like nothing has happned,thats why shes angry right off the bat.she kindve says that.
 
2.you say ash dosent trust shepard anymore.....dude she apologizes for what she said on horizon.she was emotional.when your really upset with someone you love and your emotional state is off the charts you say things you regret later.it happens ALOT in real relationships.shepard may have been forced into working with cerberus (the game dosent sell me on this by the way) and i dont know if ash knows that shep dosent have much choice,but she wishs him luck and tells him to stay safe and that she cant lose him again.
 
yea you only get that email if you romanced her.if you didnt then all the horizon scene in ME2 was an old comrade in arms yelling at you,if thats the case then who cares.it wouldnt have botherd me if i didnt romance kaidan and instead experinced horizon with him.
 
but if you did romance her and got her letter it should have shown you that what she said to you wasnt really how she felt and she didnt really feel betrayed.she was just upset and confused in the moment.

 
 
Let's look at entirety of the situation. You meet Ash on Horizon and save her butt from the Geth. While trying to get a bead on Saren, you get to know each other and you sympathize with her feelings about her granddad. She's so enamored of you that she helps you boost an Alliance warship with some of the most advanced technology in the galaxy and runs off to Ilos with you. She sleeps with you after telling you that you make her feel worth what she is striving for. That's deep.
 
Two months after the defeat of Sovereign, the SR1 is attacked and destroyed killing 20 crewmen and Shepard, as Ashley and Joker watch in horror as the ship goes down with it's Captain aboard. The man who fired the passions in her heart is dead and Ashley is once again alone.
 
Two years and twelve days later, ugly rumors surface about Shepard working for Cerberus and that Cerberus is kidnapping colonists for some nefarious purpose. Ashley pretty much figures that the rumors are bs because she saw her former lover die aboard the Normandy.
 
While on Horizon investigating the colony disappearances, she is caught in a stasis field and allegedly witnesses the vermin who actually are responsible for taking thousands of colonists. In the distance she hears gunfire and explosions and knows that someone is fighting to preserve the colony. Though she is not sure of who it is, I would have to believe that she would be cheering for them on general principles.
 
She is suddenly released when Shepard defeats the Praetorian and the Collector ship bugs out with heavy damage. Ashley sees the Collector ship climbing into the sky still smoking from the beating that it took from the Guardian defense turrets that somebody got working despite her best efforts and failing.
 
She runs to the comm tower and finds the people responsible for saving her ass and fending off the Collectors and it is none other than Commander Shepard. And Ashley immediately thinks he's a villain? She's not happy to see him, no she's pissed off at him.
 
Ashley: Why didn't you try to contact me?
Shepard: Not my choice, Cerberus resurrected me and I spent two years in a coma.
 
But apparently death isn't an excuse because Ashley goes on to say:
 
Ashley: So the rumors are true? You're working for Cerberus? Garrus to?
 
After accusing Shepard of betraying the Council, the Alliance, and her, she ignores everything that Shepard has said and leaves. Does that make sense? Not to me.
There is a severe cognitive disconnect here. Shepard has saved Ashley's ass not once, but three times with the most recent occurrence being Horizon. But Ashley seems to forget that she was recently paralyzed in a stasis field. Further Shepard successfully defended the colony against the Collectors and kept all of them from being turned into gray goo. That apparently doesn't count for anything with Ashley either.
 
Yes, she does apologize, but it is tepid considering what she did on Horizon. That is tantamount to catching your spouse in the sack with a lover and then they later say "yeah, my bad. Sorry about that." Would you be so understanding with such a tepid apology or would you still be raw about it? Between Ashley's apology and her actions on Horizon there is no scale. What happened between you on Horizon was huge. The apology was something that was small.
 
That apology would have been fine if she had burned down my apartment that I got off of Ahern, but for a personal betrayal? I don't think so. I expected more from her and she didn't deliver. That's why I look for some other major thing going on in her life that would explain what she did. Because if that is not the case, then girlfriend needs counseling.
 
God bless you for standing by her, but I am not happy with her actions on Horizon or her lukewarm apology. Ashley is going to have to belly up and take some responsibility for her actions on Horizon if she wants to work with me again. She was woman enough to call me a traitor, let her be woman enough to own it.

[ashlover mark 2]

well now this is just a case of vastly varing oppions; as i dont see a loved one calling me a name is on scale with finding out shes cheating on me.

i dont know you so i dont know if youve ever been in a relationship (not trying to insult you in anyway) but i have,and in my experiance nothings perfect, least of all love. yea ash said some hurtful things but shepard himself was hurtful.him standing around with his "DERP" face on was such a douchey thing to do,regadless of what hes done in the past as the big hero the girl loves you man she thought you were dead...be a little bit sensative....instead this was shepard

"hey ash whats up *punch in arm* how ya been"?

that alone considering all thats happned between them to me in my oppion is just as bad as ashley flipping on him and calling him a traitor.shepard was a bastard ash was on the verge of crying (tone of voice and facial expression) she poureed her heart to him and he was as emotionless and uncareing about her feelings as a rock.to me thats one of the worst thing you could do to someone you love.shepard aint innocent on horizon either.

and he didnt even bother to apologize.

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 11 juillet 2011 - 12:42 .

[bazzag]

She was my girl...Then after the arguement on Horizon i felt that she was not very understanding or accepting sheps version of events. She also felt like she didn't trust shep anymore for working with Cerberus. So after a dalliance with Miranda, (rebound) i found someone who trusted me, and believed me even though Cerberus isn't on their xmas list. So Tali is my gal now and i wouldn't have it any other way.

[Jenetic]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

well now this is just vastly varing oppions as i dont see a loved one calling me a name is on scale with finding out shes cheating on me.

i dont know you so i dont know if youve ever been in a relationship (not trying to insult you in anyway) but i have,and in my experiance nothings perfect, least of all love. yea ash said some hurtful things but shepard himself was hurtful.him standing around with his "DERP" face on was such a douchey thing to do,regadless of what hes done in the past as the big hero the girl loves you man she thought you were dead...be a little bit sensative....instead this was shepard

"hey ash whats up *punch in arm* how ya been"?

that alone considering all thats happned between them to me in my oppion is just as bad as ashley flipping on him and calling him a traitor.shepard was a bastard she was on the verge of crying (tone of voice and facial expression) she poureed her heart to him and he was as emotionless and uncareing about her feelings as a rock.to me thats the worst thing you could do to someone you love shepard anit innocent on horizon either.

I agree completely. Even I wanted to yell at my screen because Shepard just sat there like a brain dead monkey with nothing meaningful to say.  THAT, to me, was the most unrealistic part of that whole conversation.  If I were Shepard, and we all are in a vicarious sense, then I would feel regret over not showing more emotion for the woman I love after not seeing her for two years; I wouldn't be mad at her. 

If they truly love each other, then they both will be willing and able to see one another's respective position and appologize for what they said to each other.  For Ashley, it was what she said to Shepard.  For Shepard is was what he never said to Ashley.